Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#100932 Apr 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>No. What you describe is trust in the scientific method, not faith. There is a process, all information is available, and if one wants (as I often do), they can take a few minutes to confirm the result and have a deeper understanding of the subject matter. If it were faith you would know that you could do none of that and that you're required to take their word that something simply IS with no proof whatsoever, and you could never have any deeper understanding of anything other than what some other person claims (which is again, without any proof).

Why is it so hard to believe that some people take absolutely nothing on faith? Why do I always see people of faith attempting to validate their belief in things with no basis by acting as though people of science are doing the same thing?? We are not. Period. It really rubs me the wrong way when they try to claim such garbage, because I find the whole concept of believing things without any proof offensive (and in fact, I believe that it's the root cause of most things that make this world a worse place).
Sorry but you are still trusting individuals that are attempting the scientific method. Just like the first time scientists were trying to determine the link between birds and dinosaurs. It took them months to figure out that someone just didn't clean out a leaked ostrich egg from one of the containers. They were trying to label some species of dinosaurs as feathered reptiles. Oops.

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#100933 Apr 25, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>see above
What was I supposed to look for?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100934 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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My question came first a long time ago. And I have answered your question, you just didn't like the response.
No I don't think the abomination was a recorded mistake. It was included in many books of the Bible, and came from several prophets, and cities were destroyed because of the act.
So are you telling me if a claim is repeated, this leads you to believe the claim is true? Just in case you were not aware, that is a textbook propaganda technique. But just know, homosexuality was barely spoke of in the bible.
I responded to your claim about Sodom and Gomorrah and you failed to answer.
Biblical scholars often dispute the claim that homosexuality was the reason for the fire and brimstone. The villagers in the story just wished to rape the visitors, not other villagers that were offered.
The story goes on to show the people of the village were all bad, and not in the ways you seem to think is the reason for the fire.

Also, the prophets of the old testament said cutting your side burns was bad also, so do you cut yours?

I am just trying to understand how you determine what is really a claim of a god.
You said the holy ghost helps clear up confusion, but if this is true, then why are their so many different opinions of what god wants?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100935 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry but you are still trusting individuals that are attempting the scientific method. Just like the first time scientists were trying to determine the link between birds and dinosaurs. It took them months to figure out that someone just didn't clean out a leaked ostrich egg from one of the containers. They were trying to label some species of dinosaurs as feathered reptiles. Oops.
Any critical minded person does not live their lives based on a claim that does not have much evidence. This would be one of those cases.
It is pretty clear their are links between dinosaurs and birds, but that does not mean all claims about each one is true.
But most atheist science followers are not denying people rights due to what science is saying about ostrich eggs. But Christians do try and deny rights to homosexuals due to what the bible claims about them. You have absolutely zero evidence a god approved of condemning homosexuals.

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#100936 Apr 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Here's the way that you, just like a good Christain, continually attempt to insult me instead of simply answering what was asked:
"you would not have been able to grasp"
"your inability to grasp"
"your inability to compprehend"
"upset you"
"arbitrarily dismissed"

So, to clarify exactly where you stand, NO... I am not unable to grasp anything you have or will state. I am not unable to comprehend anything you have or will state. I am not upset by the existence of stupid people on the internet. And I arbitrarily dismiss nothing. At this point, you can either tuck your tail and slink off to whatever hole you came from, or you can answer me.

I will state it again, as clearly as possible:
If you had never prayed could it still have happened in the exact same way (i.e. through either random chance or normal processes)? Do note that this says nothing about probability or your difficulty in grasping that a low probability occurrence could happen to you. Please explain what happened and how you think the question applies.
John F Dillenger wrote, "<quoted text>
Well, you are right (didn't expect that did you)!"

I did. He probably did, too. Why wouldn't we both expect that we were right? It's not like either of us tend to blab on about things we know nothing about and then ask worthless and invalid questions in an attempt to play "gotcha". I mean, who would do that?
I answered you on this. No, the child's ear would not have reattached before EMTs could arrive, with no use of medical equipment.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100937 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No, fortunately interaction with the HG is a personal interaction. And it is normally in a manner that one cannot deny is from God.
Can your answers get any more vague? You did not answer my question at all. Just what constitutes a personal interaction?
When people get different answers than you when consulting the holy ghost, does this not prove it to be a delusion?

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#100938 Apr 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>In what way does it matter who commented to who? My point was clear. You were rude and arrogant. You accused him of being the same. You are a hypocrite. And a rather dense one, since I just had to explain this to you.

Also, don't worry about my Topix name. It's completely irrelevant to anything being discussed here.
Hahaha. You are the rudeness police now?? Oh the irony

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100939 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No I just think there is much more to find, along with things that will not be found. Science's claims are always changing. Take dinosaurs for example: now they believe that they were not cold-blooded reptiles after all. And brontosaurus didn't even exist. Some scientist put the wrong head on the large body. It was an apatosaurus. Oops. So they just stopped talking about one of our favorite dinosaurs hoping that it would fade away.
Just saying, more evidence can appear at any time that refutes everything that is currently believed. So it makes me laugh when these moving targets are used to dispute believers.
So you thus just did not look because science is sometimes wrong? Wow!!!

No one is basing their lives upon the idea that humans came out of Africa, but I think many theists base their lives upon the idea that Adam and Eve were claimed to be the first humans. You have absolutely zero evidence of that claim and their is a lot of evidence that disputes that claim. But you have shown me that you dismiss all science, so I now understand part of how you think.

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#100940 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry but you are still trusting individuals that are attempting the scientific method. Just like the first time scientists were trying to determine the link between birds and dinosaurs. It took them months to figure out that someone just didn't clean out a leaked ostrich egg from one of the containers. They were trying to label some species of dinosaurs as feathered reptiles. Oops.
Wha? Please tell me that you intended that as a joke.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100941 Apr 25, 2013
John F Dillenger wrote:
<quoted text>
Use your scientific method, and fully explain how a Bumblebee can fly? I belive they can, one stung me the other day! However prove it, useing scientific fact? Have at it!
They do understand how bumble bees fly moron

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100942 Apr 25, 2013
Abner atcha wrote:
<quoted text>Who is denying you your freedom of belief/unbelief? In your ignorance you miss the fact that a person cannot be made to believe anything. With a knife at my throat I may be forced to say I believe when I do not. One man cannot damn another's soul nor can he save another. The difference in Christians and atheists is that a Christian will drop everything he is doing and fall to his knees alongside you anytime you ask him to pray with you, whether it is for sickness, salvation or any other reason. He will not deny you that whether you are a believer or not. That is because they care for their neighbor and don't want to see anyone suffer or perish. Christian or not, if you ask me to pray for you I would, knowing full well you would insult me in the end. There is the difference, we have an ultimate goal, a goal that is for good. You have an ultimate goal also and that is to hurt, mock and despise every Christian on earth because of the same "Parrot" thing. What you've seen and heard about the "hypocrites" The true Christian's purpose is to help get everyone they can into the lifeboat because they love their neighbors. What do they get from you? Slapped in the face. Buddy you have every right in the world to not believe in God. You have every right in the world to go to hell. I just wish you wouldn't. What are you going to do if there is a God and it's all true? What caused you to become so vile? Just because you don't believe something is no reason to be so vicious and wanting every Christian on earth to be eradicated.
I also have the right to not her you preaching your sick cult. Having to use threats (of Hell) shows how weak your religion is

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100943 Apr 25, 2013
John F Dillenger wrote:
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Is that why you responded to one line of my post? I would call someone a hypocrite, were I you.
And why not freak?
If I go through the post am I going to find the same location with a different user name? I bet I would.
You claim to be educated yet you shy away from the truth and facts? You post stupid questions to prove that your god exist and when called on them backpeddle.
Just another mindless sheep parroting what some con artist preacher said

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100944 Apr 25, 2013
John F Dillenger wrote:
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In the grand reality of things what is your opinion worth? More than theirs or mine, no! Who are you exactly? A simple P--ick acting lile a big shot on topix! If you are so vastly intellegent, share your wisdom with the world, little man!
Hmmm, since the christian cult is losing followers daily and as education and information is easier to obtain less people believe that crap I would say that the world is sharing the wisdom.
Hard for you con artist to just make stuff up when there is Google huh?
John F Dillenger

Johnson City, TN

#100945 Apr 25, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>And why not freak?
If I go through the post am I going to find the same location with a different user name? I bet I would.
You claim to be educated yet you shy away from the truth and facts? You post stupid questions to prove that your god exist and when called on them backpeddle.
Just another mindless sheep parroting what some con artist preacher said
Show a post where I mentioned Religon ass wipe! You are a sniveling coward with a big mouth! Just like the wolves in your pack! You try to shock everyone with "Satanic Priest". You are a pathetic, lowlife, halfwit SOB! You may have graduated High School at best! Do you hate God so much because you are gay?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#100946 Apr 25, 2013
I think a lot of religious people deal with sexual issues. To compensate they become more fervent in there religious beliefs to control their lust. Some cannot justify staying in a religion because of the condemnation and punishment awaiting them according to their system of worship "shunning, gossip and even hell-fire" by their church members. Also, some may continue in their sexual sins yet cannot bring themselves to confess because of the humiliation it could bring to them or family that belongs to the sect hoping to control it someday before found out.

This is not new information. The historical evidence is written all though out the O.T and N.T and pagan religions. Even on Dr. Phil show.

Romans 7:18-24

New International Version (NIV)

18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100947 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I answered you on this. No, the child's ear would not have reattached before EMTs could arrive, with no use of medical equipment.
That wasn't directed at you, obviously, as I already told you that I'm not interested in hearsay about the very convincing hallucinations some person had. Believe away. There is no evidence.
do whut wrote:
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Hahaha. You are the rudeness police now?? Oh the irony
No, I am the hypocrisy police. What's ironic is that you like to play "intelligent Christian" yet that escaped you.
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Wha? Please tell me that you intended that as a joke.
I was going to respond, but this pretty much covers it.

Oh, and birds are dinosaurs. There is no debate.
TruthIs

London, KY

#100948 Apr 25, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Don't thank him. He's using the thread to knock on doors and He's been told over and over to stop spamming. You don't see anyone else repeatedly linking to their denominations.
Well I wouldn't think anyone would have to be rude about it. I mean it's not like anyone's twisting anyones wrists to click on any links.
Wahwahwahwah lol
TruthIs

London, KY

#100949 Apr 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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There were no scientific facts in your statements, idiot. Multiple people have crushed your Pangea/plate tectonics stupidity WITH scientific facts. So you can drop the "blah blah blah poor insult about brain cells" garbage. You're an idiot.
And use fewer commas. You type like you forgot your Ritalin.
<quoted text>
It really shouldn't be hard. I don't even understand why its being dodged.
<quoted text>
Really? You thought this place needed more stupidity? Slinging Bible verses as an answer to a question that had nothing to do with Bible verses is not the same as using a common form of communication. Where do you people come from?
I didn't know they sold donkey-dung cereal...eat yours a little too early or something? Or maybe next time, try some of dat der frosted flake kind...a little later in the a.m.

As for that last question, some think the Garden of Eden (which ever and where ever one that may be) some might think from aliens...some might think we crawled out of the Tythas sea into the evolutionary land of Pangea...which maybe gives even MORE credence to the theory that some are just plain DUHM as a bunch of fossilized rocks lol.
TruthIs

London, KY

#100950 Apr 25, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bumblebee_argume...
Despite what Microsoft claims, Google is your friend.
So is BING (and a host of OTHER search engines, subliminal ad-hoc, pedal pusher.)

Who saw the beautiful new museum and library dedication in Texas today????

What a pleasure to watch!!!

Here's to 'em!!!!


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....God BLESS the rest of "America" too!!
TruthIs

London, KY

#100951 Apr 25, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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You are very welcome but may I ask why not? Have you ever read any of Jehovah's Witnesses publications?
Raised Katlik...made me trouble enough lol.

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