Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143054 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#100913 Apr 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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This is worthless garbage. Did you even bother to read what you just quoted?
Here, I'll help you:
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And more specifically:
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The crap you just spewed does none of this. And I'm not going to sift through 96000 posts to find the one where you MAY have given some amount of detail, especially when you STILL wouldn't have discussed it in the context of what I asked.
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This is not a difficult concept for a person with a functioning brain.
I am responding to your post,according to my human nature,not only to you,but also to some of the others who post here;And they know who they are...
Based on the following saying;
A wise man speaks,when he has something to say,a fool speaks when he has to say something

My description of worthless garbage,as you stated,applies to the contents contained in your supposedly intellectual head

Since: Aug 10

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#100914 Apr 25, 2013
curious wrote:
Anyone claiming that they responded to the specific events that I posted and what may have caused those events to occur,can do so,by reposting
their responses...
Thanks, I've been waiting all day for your permission to do this.
(was that more sarcasm?)

Here's what I posted the first time (and that I linked to above). I'm sure you'll just ignore it like the first two times. But what the heck.
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
I fail to see anything illogical here. Improbable? Maybe, but so are winning $100 scratch lottery tickets and that happens all the time. Given the probabilities of the two, I'd bet on your scenario happening at a higher rate than winning $100 on a scratch ticket anyday.

You say that she read the lost pets section for reasons unknown. No, she read the lost pets section because her friend recently found a dog. Even if she didn't intend to. That's kind of how your subconscious works. You do stuff all the time that you're not consciously thinking about.
The timing of the call? Sure it's coincidence. As Yiago pointed out, most people read the paper in the morning, she called "around" 9am. That doesn't strike me as odd in the slightest.
You say your ad didn't match her description of the dog. So, either your ad was horribly written (not likely if you actually wanted the dog back), or her memory was horrible. I think it's very likely that the description matched enough that it triggered the call...again, it could have been enough for her subconscious to make the connection for her. The subconscious works that way, and lucky for us it does. It pulls our butts out of the "fire" all the time.

You make bold assertions like "science can't explain this" or "this is completely illogical". Yet, it can be simply explained. It's not even that coincidental.
I'm sure you'll just say I'm too stupid to understand what really happened though...
John F Dillenger

Johnson City, TN

#100915 Apr 25, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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As a point of fact, there are only about a half dozen persons I "run down on this topix," perhaps 3 or 4 others on the "topix" of politics and a couple morons on the "topix" of electronic cigarettes. I disagree with abject dunderheadedness, and I am not bashful to say so. If one puts aside their theology/ideology/preconceptio ns/biases long enough to respectfully entertain a rational and reasonable proposition, I would voice no complaint.
For example, if a Global Flood believer would belay their arrogant blind faith in Genesis long enough to evince any willingness to consider the Burkle event as a rational explanation for a regional flood, I'm sure it would lead to an interesting and thought provoking discussion. I contend that Jesus was first and foremost a sociopolitical reformist - and yet that is oftimes met with rhetoric about the "Father, Son and Holy Ghost." Whenever I brooch these ideas, they are summarily dismissed out of hand. What respect do I owe such ignoramuses? One who snidely proposes that science says bumblebees can't fly or who steadfastly contends that man has only existed for 6,000 years deserves the same respect that I allot to a sand flea.
In the grand reality of things what is your opinion worth? More than theirs or mine, no! Who are you exactly? A simple P--ick acting lile a big shot on topix! If you are so vastly intellegent, share your wisdom with the world, little man!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100916 Apr 25, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Not in THAT particular book, which just covers THAT particular millenium.
(That's kind of like tossing out reading about..oh say...the Civil War...because it's 2013, so it "doesn't apply" now. MMMmmm...non...that does not compute-logically!!).
If the bible only covers one millennium, then why does it speak of the creation of the universe, earth, people, animals, plants....?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100917 Apr 25, 2013
curious wrote:
And remember,I stated that I was not convinced thatGod had answered my prayer,,,However I was unable to logically explain the events in question.
Maybe someone can?
I will honestly try to help you here. I'm not going to be snarky or dismissive. But it will require you looking at things objectively.

I will go down the list as you have numbered them:

1. You prayed and doubted the effectiveness. Fair enough. Doesn't need any further analysis.

2. Time is irrelevant here. If you are trying to give it relevance, you are being tricked by an outdated part of your brain. What's relevant is that the woman knew about the lost dog. Whether she was consciously thinking about the dog or not, she was certainly aware of it.

3. The woman was reading the paper. Many people skim the paper front to back, and only focus on things that catch their attention. This is normal human behavior and allows for maximum efficiency in gathering information that you care about and not wasting time on other information (a pretty amazing trait, actually). She remembers the dog as she's skimming the lost and found. She then focuses on the individual ads.

4. She initially doesn't think that the descriptions match the dog she remembers, but the human mind has evolved to be capable of making very quick decisions that may not be the most accurate, but are accurate enough overall to ensure survival. This is a case where the initial decision was flawed. The human mind also tends to double check itself in cases of low confidence (usually once danger has passed, in nature). This is often labeled "doubt". She had a doubt about rejecting your ad, so rather than chance a pet owner being separated from their pet, she called you. Simple risk/benefit analysis. It hurts nothing to call you, but has more severe consequences to not call you.

5. Time is irrelevant.

I understand why you are hung up on the times. It is human nature to get hung up on coincidences that seem to corroborate strongly held beliefs. Look back through history. Many long held (and often superstitious) beliefs are due to misinterpretation of coincidences. Sometimes you have to fight human nature, because human nature isn't always rational and won't always help you arrive at the correct conclusion.

I hope that helps.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100918 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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This is why we have the Holy Ghost. His job is to verify truth.
If a holy ghost was verifying truth, why so many different opinions of what god wants,why so many religions, why so many denominations, who so many sects?
Natalie

Morgantown, IN

#100919 Apr 25, 2013
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
Does anyone out there know a preacher Bill Combs or William Combs?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100920 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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The cool thing to me is that neither of us know what happens after death. Science is useless in this question and belief can never show proof. I think the first 10 seconds after we die will be very cool if believers are right.
Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand? You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
"Science is useless"? Wrong, science can tell us their is no activity in the brain when we die.
Science can tell us that thoughts come from brain activity. So it certainly stands to reason when the brain stops working, we no longer have thoughts.
Now if you can show us how this is not so, please do so.
Maybe science is useless to you, but please do not speak for what science is good for in general, as it is clear most extreme Christians like yourself dismiss science on a regular basis.
It looks as if you look to religion for answers, not science, so I understand why you are so confused about science. If you have a question about science, just ask most any atheist. We will continue to ask you believers about religion. Hope you start answering more questions.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100921 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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The cool thing to me is that neither of us know what happens after death. Science is useless in this question and belief can never show proof. I think the first 10 seconds after we die will be very cool if believers are right.
Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand? You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
The difference in our trust of scientists testing theories compared to faith in religion is, we can actually check it if we wish, you cannot. You have blind faith, we do not.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100922 Apr 25, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"No one can really know what a god wants"???
Really?
I beg to differ... He saved me, we talk all the time!
Like the time He told me that Obama was nothing to be proud about...
The time He reminded me not to let my heart be troubled when
Romney lost...
That ALL these nasty things are coming to pass, and the end
will be soon 3-5 years!
This nation, this world is a broken crap hole...
due for Renovation!
Thank you Lord Jesus!
Three to five years? So in six years will you denounce your faith if your god lied to you?
Sorry, but I do not believe a god spoke to you, nor Brigham Young, nor Moses.
I think if god is speaking to believers, they would all be on the same page. Evidence shows they are not on the same page, thus this proves god is not speaking to believers.

Since: Aug 10

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#100923 Apr 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you scold us for not answering a question even before you give us a chance? How hypocritical, as I have asked you many questions and have given you ample chance to answer and you refuse to even try.

I would be glad to answer your question when you answer this one. If Brigham was wrong, why could the claims of the old testament not be wrong? Can you admit the claim of homosexuality being an abomination could just be from some flawed, homophobic man?

I would love for you to humor me. Give and ye shall receive.
My question came first a long time ago. And I have answered your question, you just didn't like the response.

No I don't think the abomination was a recorded mistake. It was included in many books of the Bible, and came from several prophets, and cities were destroyed because of the act.

Since: Aug 10

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#100924 Apr 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"Do what" was so sure no one would ever humor his question.
No I really wanted an answer, and I appreciated this one. It was a good response.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100925 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I think you misunderstood me and are trying to ride that pony in the ground. Let me clarify. Not everything a prophet speaks is inspired or is direct revelation from The Lord. They speak words from their own minds much more frequently than they declare revelation.
I understand you believe this, and I am not really asking that question. I am asking if this is what you believe, then is not all claims of the bible made by prophets up for question? Does it not make the claim that homosexuality is an abomination possibly wrong?
I have asked this several times and in various ways, but either you cannot comprehend the question, or you are running from it.
Try giving a straight answer to the question for a change, instead of answering the question you wish was asked?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100926 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I think you misunderstood me and are trying to ride that pony in the ground. Let me clarify. Not everything a prophet speaks is inspired or is direct revelation from The Lord. They speak words from their own minds much more frequently than they declare revelation.
Read the question again, then answer the question(s) asked.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So if the accounts of the story could be flawed, then no one can really know what a god said. No one can know which accounts were wrong.
If one prophet was wrong as you claimed (Brigham) then doubt can be cast on all of them, right? If so, then how can you be so sure homosexuality is against the wishes of god?

Since: Aug 10

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#100927 Apr 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I pointed out a prehuman bone would be that of a bipedal ape. Did you miss that? But even fully evolved human remains that are the oldest are found in Africa by a large margin. So it stands to reason humans first came from Africa.
Are you wishing for me to post a link?
This is not a debatable claim. The evidence is there to be found by a simple google search. Are you disputing their is evidence or are you just to lazy to look?
No I just think there is much more to find, along with things that will not be found. Science's claims are always changing. Take dinosaurs for example: now they believe that they were not cold-blooded reptiles after all. And brontosaurus didn't even exist. Some scientist put the wrong head on the large body. It was an apatosaurus. Oops. So they just stopped talking about one of our favorite dinosaurs hoping that it would fade away.
Just saying, more evidence can appear at any time that refutes everything that is currently believed. So it makes me laugh when these moving targets are used to dispute believers.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100928 Apr 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No I really wanted an answer, and I appreciated this one. It was a good response.
I really want answers from you, but for some reason you do not answer. What gives?

Since: Aug 10

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#100929 Apr 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you trust a holy ghost is guiding your brain? How can you know this happens? Because a prophet told you?
No, fortunately interaction with the HG is a personal interaction. And it is normally in a manner that one cannot deny is from God.

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#100930 Apr 25, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>As I mentioned, while not having read the whole book cover to cover, at one point in time, I had read a good little bit from it. While I do not feel need to "challenge my own beliefs" I did not find what I did read from the book, to detract from them.

Personally, I think we need more people willing to look at the problems behind the increasing terrorism afflicitions are presenting themselves in the apparently blind eyed faces of this country lately.
It should not detract from your faith. It should build it. Anything that increases your faith is of God.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#100931 Apr 25, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
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I thought they both served the God of Abraham?
George W. Bush would agree with your thought.

Since: Aug 10

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#100932 Apr 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>No. What you describe is trust in the scientific method, not faith. There is a process, all information is available, and if one wants (as I often do), they can take a few minutes to confirm the result and have a deeper understanding of the subject matter. If it were faith you would know that you could do none of that and that you're required to take their word that something simply IS with no proof whatsoever, and you could never have any deeper understanding of anything other than what some other person claims (which is again, without any proof).

Why is it so hard to believe that some people take absolutely nothing on faith? Why do I always see people of faith attempting to validate their belief in things with no basis by acting as though people of science are doing the same thing?? We are not. Period. It really rubs me the wrong way when they try to claim such garbage, because I find the whole concept of believing things without any proof offensive (and in fact, I believe that it's the root cause of most things that make this world a worse place).
Sorry but you are still trusting individuals that are attempting the scientific method. Just like the first time scientists were trying to determine the link between birds and dinosaurs. It took them months to figure out that someone just didn't clean out a leaked ostrich egg from one of the containers. They were trying to label some species of dinosaurs as feathered reptiles. Oops.

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