Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,394

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#100762 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>It is the dominant theory because of evidence and reason. If humans began elsewhere we should see evidence for it. But we do not.

The same methods we used to understand that humans came out of Africa are the same methods used to dismiss ideas like Jesus Christ visiting the USA. No evidence, no dice.
I asked for the evidence. That's all

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#100763 Apr 24, 2013
Guardian Angel wrote:
If you believe God give you that Brain,just believeing that proves you have faith.If you believe God made you that way ,therefore you have faith.God gave us all free will.
I'm curious, when you read what he wrote did you actually hear a "Whooosh" as it went over your head?

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#100764 Apr 24, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The mormons claim that some jewish people from the original blood line came to America thousands of years ago and jesus came here and revealed himself to them. That is why they are above every one else because they are from the original pure jewish blood line and are the master race. Some of that has changed, they now let blacks in their church.
They claim that the garden of Eden is in Minnesota
Whoa. Wrong on so many levels.
1. Jesus visited Central America in the Book of Mormon.
2. We believe that all the worshipers of Christ in the Book of Mormon were killed off and only the evil ones remained (we believe them to be the ancestors of most of the inhabitants of Central and North American natives). Mormons are not their descendants nor do we claim to be a superior race. We are made up of many races. Nor do we claim any bloodline.
3. Joseph Smith received a revelation that the Garden of Eden was located in Missouri, not Minnesota

I will now doubt everything you say because of your major inaccuracies of things so easy to look up before trying to state them as fact.

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#100765 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't rule any geneological lineage out, Pangea WAS one big land mass.

I don't think however, there's ANY "pure" bloodlines left-not given the history of mankind! Not even in RI red chickens, who generally lay brown eggs-then oops, where'd that cream colored one come from?:-)

Isn't there some sort of envirodome around those parts? Or are you referencing the one in the Bible, which then would be debatable according to geological studies on locations as referenced from the book.
Are they referencing it as such, or perhaps they have a really nice backyard garden of their own that they've created?

Non, not enough facts presented enough to form opinion upon sir...
He was badly mistaken. Please dismiss his comments as totally inaccurate.

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#100766 Apr 24, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>i have actually thought of what i would say to god if it were true when i die and to be honest i know exactly what i would say. i would just say, "u know why my mind works the way it does and for u to forsake me and not give me the proof i need for your existence just goes to show that i was never loved to begin with. i was born with a ticket to hell already becuz i did try to believe and the more i tried, the more i doubted and u, yourself, left me dry with no answers when i need u the most. so i ask u now god, why did u never love me as u did the others children that u gave the miracles to so that they would know of your love and existence? why did u never care that i was strayin from the truth and step in so that i wouldnt have to face torture of hell for eternity? i guess all i can say is F*&K YOU TOO, cuz thats what u were sayin to me my whole life by turnin your back to me and never even opening my heart up to your love." notice i dont respect my father if he doesnt deserve it so im a commandment violator now. but why try to beg and plea for your life when its to late, just accpet it and walk in to hell with your head held high is all i can say. call what i say BS or what ever u will but that is the honest truth as to what i would say cuz i got tired of hearin the same ol what are u gonna say when u die and u have to face him, then u will regret it, so i gave it some real thought as to what i feel i should say to god as i am being sentenced to hell.
I know you feel that way now, but if I'm right, the veil over your remembrance will be lifted. You would remember living with God before going to earth. You would remember choosing to come to earth to follow His plan and have your faith in Him tested. You would recognize His face immediately. So if you are able to put yourself in those shoes, would you still react the same?

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#100767 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>I always have an open mind.

If we are here to have our faith tested, then God has failed. There are billions of people on this planet, as I type this, that have never been introduced to any religion (much less yours). All they have is their abilities to observe and draw conclusions based on observations. These people never had even the tiniest glimmer of faith to begin with. There is no reason to believe they will have any when they die. How is that lack of faith tested? Why didn't God give them any faith or knowledge of him? What is their fate?

I've honestly never had any more faith in God than I had in Santa or anything else that I was told about and didn't question at the time. They were all built up and portrayed to be real when I was a child. Every one of them have tumbled down under mild scrutiny. I have no faith to test.

Omniscience and omnipotence. God destroyed my faith with the brain he gave me, and he always knew that I would use my brain in this way. I was created to do exactly that. So, was I created to be damned? Am I to be punished for how God made me?
I believe that all will have the opportunity to be taught the entire gospel, whether in this life or in the Spirit world. So they would have the chance to accept it. The Holy Ghost can be felt by anyone though, so people that have never been involved in a religion can still be prompted to do good works.
No you were not created to be automatically damned. Not so I think you are damned. I do believe God gave you your brain to help others, not degrade others and use it to disprove His existence.

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#100768 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>There are some problems with this.

1) According to all the Modern Bible Scholars, Moses could not possibly have authored any of the books of the Bible. And the Pentateuch, the first books of Genesis, were in fact authored by several different sources. So whose vision is being written about? On what authority are they assumed to be true?

2) Your version of God is more like a space superhero. He isn't all powerful, and you've said this before. He is just powerful. That idea undermines the entire Christian faith. The Bible claims that God is basically the be-all-end-all and you need him to be that powerful or else we can easily doubt the entire matter. Once you say that God doesn't know everything or can't do everything then why would we assume that any particular part of the Bible is speaking truth? Why would we assume God has any power over death? Your version of God robs him of all that and leaves behind a sort of Stan Lee/Jack Kirby type character.

And I don't think you have much of a reason to think that way. I think that you have just enough doubt that you are seeking a way to rationalize the crunchy bits of your faith that don't make sense. I say that speculatively, of course, but if its true then please keep digging away!
Sorry to mislead you.
1. I know Moses didn't physically write any of these books. I just simplified since they are referred to as the Books of Moses.
2. I haven't robbed God of any power, and I admitted that I don't know if God knows every move that we will make before it happens. But that He knows us well enough to know what we will choose. As for the revelations of events to come, He most certainly knows what will come to pass there.

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#100769 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I sense that if one "imagines" hard enough, it almost smells like a load of donkeydung in here. Do you have some sort of "agenda"? Maybe perhaps in trying to sell frosted donkeydung disguised as something with some sort of "magical virtue-healing" powers to the unsuspecting?
(Although I could agree SOME with your statement of pattern detections, per example perhaps- when monitoring the skies, like those "stupid" primitives of old, for celestial, and not celestial events, but not so much on calling a thunderstorm a thunderstom after the fact)
Uh..what?
My entire statement was about pattern detection and how it lends itself to post hoc fallacy. So, if you agree with it then why do you call it "frosted donkeydung"?

“See how you are?”

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#100770 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
You however, were NOT the author of the book, so your opinion on chapter placement is actually irrelevant (imagine that).
Maybe the Maccabees part? Mostly because I have FAITH, based upon post-preliminary readings, that there is in FACT, at least some comparable informative pieces to contrast information with.
"FACT?"
I could 'matter of factly' analyze and compare pieces of Shakespeare's works, or Verne's or Vonnegut's or L'Amours or Tolkien's or Rowling's or Ludlum's.... There is never a dispute that their works are fiction.
In faith, the lines between emotion, imagination and reality are blurred beyond separation. "FACT" becomes as elusive in definition as a breeze among zephyrs.
As I stated to curious, I have no interest in dissecting and debating line and verse. A position based on "because I believe it no matter what you say" is impregnable to objectivity, integrity and honesty.

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#100771 Apr 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well when you have a book that billions declare is absolutely perfect in every way, this is a serious problem. For example, if one of your prophets claims homosexuality is an abomination and he never actually got that memo from a god and you think it is a memo from a god, then you might very well discriminate upon the homosexuals due to gross error.
This is why we have the Holy Ghost. His job is to verify truth.
curious

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#100772 Apr 24, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Great point!
Probably the same reason most miracles today are private ones, and not the parting of the sea type things!
I know what Christ did with me, and every man be a liar, as I know the truth!
I would like for them all to have a "God" experience, and come back here, and tell their stories!
Amen!
God Bless :-)
It's a blessing and a pleasure,sharing our faith among each other.
God Bless you
curious

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#100774 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
"Private" miracles? Please. Can you name a single "private" miracle that cannot be explained through normal processes or random chance? I didn't think so. Because there are no miracles.
<quoted text>
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When one is confronted with a problem for which Science can not provide a solution,as I have, and you have tried normal preocesses in order to find an answer,without results and have wished that by random chance,your problem would be solved,again with no results.
If,at that time,you turn to God,in prayer and as a result an answer is provided,one may still conclude,that it was a coincidence,or random chance.
But,if,as time goes by,you are again cinfronted with a series of other problems for which you cannot find an answer by turning to science,and neither normal processes or random chance,have provided you with a solution,
,And you again,turn to God, and as a result ,a solution is provided, time and again, and you can not logically explain the events that led to that solution
Then,you have a choice to make.
Were the solutions provided me caused by random chance or normal processes or was it God answering my prayer?
Now,if you can explain to me,in a logical way, how normal processes or random chance played a role in answering my pryaer,It would greatly be appreciated.

PS. I am reffering to events that I,personally have experienced,not on some type of hypothetical illustration
Sasha

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#100775 Apr 24, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Actually... they are NOT gay!
When animals act like that, It's a Dominance thing, Showing "I'm the head of the heard!" Same reason a person takes the female side of the relationship... they WANT, or need the feeling of being dominated!
80%? of gays are grown into that life, as I once was...
The rest need curing like TB, or MS...
But I know the real cure for sin....
That is Jesus Christ!
Amen!
Myself and my friends are very well aware of traits of animals and dominance patterns, my friend is a vet and I can assure you he understands animal behaviors.

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#100776 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>"Private" miracles? Please. Can you name a single "private" miracle that cannot be explained through normal processes or random chance? I didn't think so. Because there are no miracles.
How stupid can you be wrote, "<quoted text>Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!
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There are plenty of other places to stick a penis that can be fun for both parties and are completely harmless. Those are all "abominations"?

No, they aren't. Abusing a child, sexually or otherwise, is an "abomination". Destroying a child's ability to think by forcing dogma on them is an "abomination". Condemning an entire group of people that aren't hurting anyone simply for being the way they were born to be is an "abomination".
Yes, I can. And I did. You said you read everything. Did you miss it?

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#100777 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>Ah. Having not read the BOM much to any depth at all, I can honestly say, I do NOT know much of anything concerning the history on origins of the beliefs of.
Jesus sounds like he was a nice human being in their book as well though, from what you have posted.

There are still many depths of oceans (even aside from more easily, accessible, ever shifting plates) that we have yet to scientifically explore, to their fullest potential.
You should read it sometime. It is meant to be another witness that Jesus is the Christ.
TruthIs

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#100778 Apr 24, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh..what?
My entire statement was about pattern detection and how it lends itself to post hoc fallacy. So, if you agree with it then why do you call it "frosted donkeydung"?
The second part of your post was focused on pattern detection, but not the first, which I opined to be more along the lines of frosted donkeydung.
TruthIs

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#100779 Apr 24, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"FACT?"
I could 'matter of factly' analyze and compare pieces of Shakespeare's works, or Verne's or Vonnegut's or L'Amours or Tolkien's or Rowling's or Ludlum's.... There is never a dispute that their works are fiction.
In faith, the lines between emotion, imagination and reality are blurred beyond separation. "FACT" becomes as elusive in definition as a breeze among zephyrs.
As I stated to curious, I have no interest in dissecting and debating line and verse. A position based on "because I believe it no matter what you say" is impregnable to objectivity, integrity and honesty.
"FACT", as in plenty of comparable reading to contrast with.

Your position in tediously dissecting and debating line and verse, I would agree. Waste of time and breathe....especially since there's too many different perspectives, of personal opinion.
TruthIs

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#100780 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You should read it sometime. It is meant to be another witness that Jesus is the Christ.
I've glanced at it a time or two, I just prefer more modern day reading.

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#100782 Apr 24, 2013
Sasha wrote:
<quoted text>Myself and my friends are very well aware of traits of animals and dominance patterns, my friend is a vet and I can assure you he understands animal behaviors.
Haha. I'm sorry but that sounded like, my friend is a doctor, so I can perform surgery.

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#100783 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>I've glanced at it a time or two, I just prefer more modern day reading.
Don't you read the Bible?

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