Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100650 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.

blah blah
No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.

Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.

And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.

It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100651 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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I was reading what you posted and suddenly,a thought occurred to me.
Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Somehow,this entity they claim does not exist( God) has crept into their minds and they can not stop thinking about him.
As a result,they read the Bible,probably more frequently,than many of those who claim to be Christians.
And I asked myself,Why is it that God is on their minds and why do they read the Bible?
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth
Matthew 19:25-26
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying,“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
and my question was answered.
Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer
Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100652 Apr 23, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Yeah, we need to stomp on some of rampant the stupid so the ones with some actual intelligence and braincell activity with ideas... worthy of thought and time, can move this nation FORWARD again-rather than failing backwards-thirty years behind the times and stuff.
Yeah,... and stuff.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100653 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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Quote,chromiuman wrote" There isn't any reasonable expectation that Rev. was divinely inspired or that John of Patmos even laid eyes on Jesus
Let me see if I understand you correctly.In order for a book to be included in the New Testament,It has to meet the following criteria.
1)That the Authors" had either known Jesus personally or were closely affiliated with somebody who had, and were considered trustworthy by that person(apostolic authority). For example, Matthew, Peter, and John were disciples, Paul had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, Mark worked closely with Peter, and Luke traveled with Paul..
2)That the message contained the book were ones that accurately portrayed Jesus and presented Christianity in the form practiced by the church that sprung out of Jesus.
.3)And that they had to be Divinely Inspired,meaning,Guided by the hand of God.
In your view,Revelation does not meet that criteria,therefore,in your judgement,it should not have been included,in
Whereas,the other books in the New Testament,because,in your judgement they met that criteria, were legitimately included.
When I made my comments about your being acomedy writer for Jay leno and that is why he was fired,I was not aware that you subscribed to the abovementioned criteria.
Accept my apologies,I had misjudged you and based on your explanation, I was wrong.
Although, I do not necessarily agree,that Revelation does not belong in the old testament
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

Since: Aug 10

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#100654 Apr 23, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>im not exactly sure why but i can give u a pretty solid explaination and im far from a scientist or studied this topic. for one, africa is supposedly the start of humans so they have had more time to get darker that others at the equator but in turn all equator peoples have darker skin than norhtern europeans so they are turning slowly as they evolve. for eskimos i would guess because of the longer days they endure during certain time of the year it would cause them to produce more melanin in order to protect them during those months. and for the white ppl in africa, i know that is a no brainer, africa has diamonds and white ppl want them so they migrated there to rape africa of all its natural resources and make money from the resources and the ppl as slaves during the british colonial times. just sayin that in places of more sun light hrs u get ppl with darker skin for the protection it provides and when u get in the more equal parts inthe northern and southern hemispheres the ppl get lighter skin cause they are covered up more in the cold and the day hrs arent as long as other places so the body doesnt need all that extra protection.
How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?

Since: Aug 10

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#100655 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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...
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
...
and my question was answered.
Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer
I suspect there are a great many things that will remain unanswered for you.

Your willful ignorance is staggering for someone who chose the handle "curious".
Curious

Charlotte, NC

#100656 Apr 23, 2013
If you can't teach them all and leave it to the individual to decide on their own then it shouldn't be taught at all. We should realize that all though, yes our country was founded on a number of religious principles but our founding fathers also knew that religion is far too devisive and conflicting to allow government to have any part of. If you allow the government to be responsible for teaching our kids religion, eventually they will decide which religion, which principles and so on. Don't give our ever growing and corrupt government that kind of power. They already have more power than they should in molding our kids' precious young minds.

Since: Aug 10

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#100657 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.
And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.
It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.
Well put, but I'm afraid you're casting your pearls before swine.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100658 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
This isn't the 1800s. We now have fossil records and understand mitochondrial DNA. The preponderance of current evidence supports this theory.
http://books.google.com/books...
http://books.google.com/books...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

I don't know if you really thought there was no evidence to support the theory (how?) or what else you might have thought, but those references would be good ways to educate yourself on this subject.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100659 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.
And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.
It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.
You are right,I have never experienced what Atheists have experienced...I was once an Agnostic. See if you are in agreement with this article;

Written by Marilyn Adamson

I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.
I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me
BTW I have never questioned the natural intellect of Atheists
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100660 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should
I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100661 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
...
Written by Marilyn Adamson
I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded....
"to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded"
Sounds rather dastardly doesn't it? I don't know a single atheist whose goal is to take people's hope away.

Whoever Marilyn Adamson is, she wasn't like any atheist I've known.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100662 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should
Since I am not part of a cult,as you say,that is just one of your many false allegations. My beliefs are not based on any of the false allegations that you keep repeating over and over.

A wise man has something to say,a fool has a need to say something
You keep saying something time and again
If you don't like what I post,Don't read it .
What I posted ,was not addressed to you
You have been placed on IGNORE
GWB

Roseville, CA

#100663 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
Why do Mormons think that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100664 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously
LOL, is your "mute" button not working?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#100665 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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This isn't the 1800s. We now have fossil records and understand mitochondrial DNA. The preponderance of current evidence supports this theory.
http://books.google.com/books...
http://books.google.com/books...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
I don't know if you really thought there was no evidence to support the theory (how?) or what else you might have thought, but those references would be good ways to educate yourself on this subject.
While I don't disagree with the idea that Modern man may have ties to Africa I do have a problem with attempting to use DNA as a reference source because during the bottle neck as the last ice age ended we lost a good 70 to 80% of the human genome and the remainder is so limited in diversity that assuming a Afrocentric ascension is doubtful....

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100666 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously
I notice that you skipped over the issues, you must be a politician, why not answer to what I asked, why cant you mind your own business and leave people alone?

Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100667 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
ummmm wrote
Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.

The thought that occurred to me,was BASED on the following information that I posted,which I am posting again,
,therefore I had a basis,which you overlooked.
I do not rejoice at your unbelief as that is no cause for rejoicing.
I do rejoice in the belief that I found an answer to my question by searching the Scriptures,thereby,strengtheni ng my Faith.Seek and ye shall find

Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Somehow,this entity they claim does not exist( God) has crept into their minds and they can not stop thinking about him.
As a result,they read the Bible,probably more frequently,than many of those who claim to be Christians.
And I asked myself,Why is it that God is on their minds and why do they read the Bible?
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying,“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

and my question was answered.

Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100668 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
Not that the origin matters to the context of why humans have different color skin, but the evidence points to Africa first. Now if new evidence is found, then new origins might be claimed. Do you have one shred of evidence Adam and Eve were the first humans?
The oldest human bones and pre-human bones have been found in Africa. Bipedal apes bones millions of years old.
I think the oldest bones of a human like creature outside of Africa is no more than a hundred thousand years old.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100669 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right,I have never experienced what Atheists have experienced...I was once an Agnostic. See if you are in agreement with this article;
Written by Marilyn Adamson

blah blah obvious shill
OK... so let me get this straight. You paraphrase Marilyn's beliefs (acting as though it was something that just hit you out of the blue), I tell you how and why I think it's crap, so then you give me the original words like it's going to change my mind??

Let me try to explain in a different way and address the source (and validity) of your argument.

First, on this "Marilyn" person. I am 95% sure that this is a Christian shill. Those sound like the words of somebody who does not even remotely understand atheism. I can barely conceive of them being the words of somebody who truly was one. Not that this would diminish the validity of any claims, but it should be said that this one fails the litmus test pretty hard.

Now, the argument itself. Look at the foundation. The words "like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly" are nothing but establishment of a strawman at the very beginning. That is a logical fallacy, FYI. Any thing built from this foundation, any words that successfully attack the validity of the thought, are essentially void. This is NOT the belief of any atheist I know, and attempting to act as though it applies to ANY atheist without proof is 100% fraudulent. So, to be clear, the follow on argument ONLY applies to whatever stupid concept of atheism she claimed to subscribe to.

Now, her claim of "I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise". Again, this is not the kind of belief that I have ever seen an atheist have. You see, this isn't some soft conceptual debate where you can interpret the evidence available in some other way and have multiple theories that can prove true. There is LITERALLY no evidence available to humanity that can be used to demonstrate the existence of God. None. So there is no need to be curious if somebody could "convince you otherwise". The only curiosity is if there is evidence that we don't know about that could be used to demonstrate the existence of God.

I constantly seek out such evidence. That doesn't mean I'm doubting my assumptions, or that there is any way that any person on the planet could convince me of God's existence using all of the information I already know about, or that God is "pushing me" toward it. I do the same thing for many topics that are of significance to me. I want to know things. I read about things. I reason.

Lastly, this phrase "I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us."

It's gullible idiot food. You can't "come to find" something without evidence. You can only have faith that it's true. You can't say "God wants to be known", knowing full well that he gave us all the ability to observe the universe and think. If he did, he would make himself known and there would be as many atheists as "moon existence deniers". "He has surrounded us with evidence" only means that the moron writing the words here has NO concept of what the word "evidence" means.

I'm not trying to diminish your faith, as long as you're acknowledging that is what you have. I am trying to simply explain that what you have IS ONLY faith and that there is NO logical/reasonable/scientific way to state that God exists. Any argument to the contrary, without new evidence, is of absolutely no value. If religious people would recognize that, you'd probably find that all of the atheists you keep battling would simply disappear.

Also, LOL @ "their hope was completely ill-founded". Really? You really think we're going to believe that's not a full time Christian?

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