Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 135,047

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#100767 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>I always have an open mind.

If we are here to have our faith tested, then God has failed. There are billions of people on this planet, as I type this, that have never been introduced to any religion (much less yours). All they have is their abilities to observe and draw conclusions based on observations. These people never had even the tiniest glimmer of faith to begin with. There is no reason to believe they will have any when they die. How is that lack of faith tested? Why didn't God give them any faith or knowledge of him? What is their fate?

I've honestly never had any more faith in God than I had in Santa or anything else that I was told about and didn't question at the time. They were all built up and portrayed to be real when I was a child. Every one of them have tumbled down under mild scrutiny. I have no faith to test.

Omniscience and omnipotence. God destroyed my faith with the brain he gave me, and he always knew that I would use my brain in this way. I was created to do exactly that. So, was I created to be damned? Am I to be punished for how God made me?
I believe that all will have the opportunity to be taught the entire gospel, whether in this life or in the Spirit world. So they would have the chance to accept it. The Holy Ghost can be felt by anyone though, so people that have never been involved in a religion can still be prompted to do good works.
No you were not created to be automatically damned. Not so I think you are damned. I do believe God gave you your brain to help others, not degrade others and use it to disprove His existence.

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#100768 Apr 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>There are some problems with this.

1) According to all the Modern Bible Scholars, Moses could not possibly have authored any of the books of the Bible. And the Pentateuch, the first books of Genesis, were in fact authored by several different sources. So whose vision is being written about? On what authority are they assumed to be true?

2) Your version of God is more like a space superhero. He isn't all powerful, and you've said this before. He is just powerful. That idea undermines the entire Christian faith. The Bible claims that God is basically the be-all-end-all and you need him to be that powerful or else we can easily doubt the entire matter. Once you say that God doesn't know everything or can't do everything then why would we assume that any particular part of the Bible is speaking truth? Why would we assume God has any power over death? Your version of God robs him of all that and leaves behind a sort of Stan Lee/Jack Kirby type character.

And I don't think you have much of a reason to think that way. I think that you have just enough doubt that you are seeking a way to rationalize the crunchy bits of your faith that don't make sense. I say that speculatively, of course, but if its true then please keep digging away!
Sorry to mislead you.
1. I know Moses didn't physically write any of these books. I just simplified since they are referred to as the Books of Moses.
2. I haven't robbed God of any power, and I admitted that I don't know if God knows every move that we will make before it happens. But that He knows us well enough to know what we will choose. As for the revelations of events to come, He most certainly knows what will come to pass there.

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#100769 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I sense that if one "imagines" hard enough, it almost smells like a load of donkeydung in here. Do you have some sort of "agenda"? Maybe perhaps in trying to sell frosted donkeydung disguised as something with some sort of "magical virtue-healing" powers to the unsuspecting?
(Although I could agree SOME with your statement of pattern detections, per example perhaps- when monitoring the skies, like those "stupid" primitives of old, for celestial, and not celestial events, but not so much on calling a thunderstorm a thunderstom after the fact)
Uh..what?
My entire statement was about pattern detection and how it lends itself to post hoc fallacy. So, if you agree with it then why do you call it "frosted donkeydung"?

“See how you are?”

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#100770 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
You however, were NOT the author of the book, so your opinion on chapter placement is actually irrelevant (imagine that).
Maybe the Maccabees part? Mostly because I have FAITH, based upon post-preliminary readings, that there is in FACT, at least some comparable informative pieces to contrast information with.
"FACT?"
I could 'matter of factly' analyze and compare pieces of Shakespeare's works, or Verne's or Vonnegut's or L'Amours or Tolkien's or Rowling's or Ludlum's.... There is never a dispute that their works are fiction.
In faith, the lines between emotion, imagination and reality are blurred beyond separation. "FACT" becomes as elusive in definition as a breeze among zephyrs.
As I stated to curious, I have no interest in dissecting and debating line and verse. A position based on "because I believe it no matter what you say" is impregnable to objectivity, integrity and honesty.

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#100771 Apr 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well when you have a book that billions declare is absolutely perfect in every way, this is a serious problem. For example, if one of your prophets claims homosexuality is an abomination and he never actually got that memo from a god and you think it is a memo from a god, then you might very well discriminate upon the homosexuals due to gross error.
This is why we have the Holy Ghost. His job is to verify truth.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100772 Apr 24, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Great point!
Probably the same reason most miracles today are private ones, and not the parting of the sea type things!
I know what Christ did with me, and every man be a liar, as I know the truth!
I would like for them all to have a "God" experience, and come back here, and tell their stories!
Amen!
God Bless :-)
It's a blessing and a pleasure,sharing our faith among each other.
God Bless you
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100774 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
"Private" miracles? Please. Can you name a single "private" miracle that cannot be explained through normal processes or random chance? I didn't think so. Because there are no miracles.
<quoted text>
".
When one is confronted with a problem for which Science can not provide a solution,as I have, and you have tried normal preocesses in order to find an answer,without results and have wished that by random chance,your problem would be solved,again with no results.
If,at that time,you turn to God,in prayer and as a result an answer is provided,one may still conclude,that it was a coincidence,or random chance.
But,if,as time goes by,you are again cinfronted with a series of other problems for which you cannot find an answer by turning to science,and neither normal processes or random chance,have provided you with a solution,
,And you again,turn to God, and as a result ,a solution is provided, time and again, and you can not logically explain the events that led to that solution
Then,you have a choice to make.
Were the solutions provided me caused by random chance or normal processes or was it God answering my prayer?
Now,if you can explain to me,in a logical way, how normal processes or random chance played a role in answering my pryaer,It would greatly be appreciated.

PS. I am reffering to events that I,personally have experienced,not on some type of hypothetical illustration
Sasha

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#100775 Apr 24, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Actually... they are NOT gay!
When animals act like that, It's a Dominance thing, Showing "I'm the head of the heard!" Same reason a person takes the female side of the relationship... they WANT, or need the feeling of being dominated!
80%? of gays are grown into that life, as I once was...
The rest need curing like TB, or MS...
But I know the real cure for sin....
That is Jesus Christ!
Amen!
Myself and my friends are very well aware of traits of animals and dominance patterns, my friend is a vet and I can assure you he understands animal behaviors.

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#100776 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>"Private" miracles? Please. Can you name a single "private" miracle that cannot be explained through normal processes or random chance? I didn't think so. Because there are no miracles.
How stupid can you be wrote, "<quoted text>Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!
"

There are plenty of other places to stick a penis that can be fun for both parties and are completely harmless. Those are all "abominations"?

No, they aren't. Abusing a child, sexually or otherwise, is an "abomination". Destroying a child's ability to think by forcing dogma on them is an "abomination". Condemning an entire group of people that aren't hurting anyone simply for being the way they were born to be is an "abomination".
Yes, I can. And I did. You said you read everything. Did you miss it?

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#100777 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>Ah. Having not read the BOM much to any depth at all, I can honestly say, I do NOT know much of anything concerning the history on origins of the beliefs of.
Jesus sounds like he was a nice human being in their book as well though, from what you have posted.

There are still many depths of oceans (even aside from more easily, accessible, ever shifting plates) that we have yet to scientifically explore, to their fullest potential.
You should read it sometime. It is meant to be another witness that Jesus is the Christ.
TruthIs

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#100778 Apr 24, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Uh..what?
My entire statement was about pattern detection and how it lends itself to post hoc fallacy. So, if you agree with it then why do you call it "frosted donkeydung"?
The second part of your post was focused on pattern detection, but not the first, which I opined to be more along the lines of frosted donkeydung.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100779 Apr 24, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"FACT?"
I could 'matter of factly' analyze and compare pieces of Shakespeare's works, or Verne's or Vonnegut's or L'Amours or Tolkien's or Rowling's or Ludlum's.... There is never a dispute that their works are fiction.
In faith, the lines between emotion, imagination and reality are blurred beyond separation. "FACT" becomes as elusive in definition as a breeze among zephyrs.
As I stated to curious, I have no interest in dissecting and debating line and verse. A position based on "because I believe it no matter what you say" is impregnable to objectivity, integrity and honesty.
"FACT", as in plenty of comparable reading to contrast with.

Your position in tediously dissecting and debating line and verse, I would agree. Waste of time and breathe....especially since there's too many different perspectives, of personal opinion.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100780 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You should read it sometime. It is meant to be another witness that Jesus is the Christ.
I've glanced at it a time or two, I just prefer more modern day reading.

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#100782 Apr 24, 2013
Sasha wrote:
<quoted text>Myself and my friends are very well aware of traits of animals and dominance patterns, my friend is a vet and I can assure you he understands animal behaviors.
Haha. I'm sorry but that sounded like, my friend is a doctor, so I can perform surgery.

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#100783 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>I've glanced at it a time or two, I just prefer more modern day reading.
Don't you read the Bible?

“pervinco per logica”

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#100784 Apr 24, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Were the solutions provided me caused by random chance or normal processes or was it God answering my prayer?
Now,if you can explain to me,in a logical way, how normal processes or random chance played a role in answering my pryaer,It would greatly be appreciated.
PS. I am reffering to events that I,personally have experienced,not on some type of hypothetical illustration
Easily. If you had never prayed could it still have happened in the exact same way? If the answer is yes, then you have no proof of an answered prayer or miracle.

So many religious people want to play both sides of the prayer thing, as well. They pray for something and it doesn't happen? It wasn't God's will. Praise God. They pray for something and it happened? God is great! Praise God. This is NOT an objective way to look at things. The only conclusion that can be logically drawn in a world where both of those things happen is that prayer does nothing. You cannot provide evidence for a single instance of prayer actually doing something that wouldn't have happened anyway.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I can. And I did. You said you read everything. Did you miss it?
I've seen many people describe "miracles". None of them could not have happened through normal processes or random chance. How is yours any different? I didn't see anything you've stated that would have been.
do whut wrote:
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Yes you do put effort into degrading people. Everytime you type the word "idiot" or "moron" you are taking effort to degrade someone. Yes I clearly misunderstand your purpose if it is not to have fun at the expense of others.
Degrading implies a lowering. I am not doing that. I am identifying their position. They lowered themselves to it. I don't make people say idiotic things or be bigots or act like they are mentally deficient.

And sure, it's fun, but you still don't understand. I'm not calling you names right now, am I?
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
As far as God, maybe He does know. I told you I don't understand the mind of God and don't pretend to. I just try to form opinions on His far superior intelligence, knowing I won't get there.
And you know I don't click links.
You really need to familiarize yourself with the internet and stop being so scared of everything. You should be able to tell enough from the URL to know that it's not going to destroy your computer. I'm trying to get your opinion on something and it just looks like you're being hard headed or avoiding the discussion. Frustrating.

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#100785 Apr 24, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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The second part of your post was focused on pattern detection, but not the first, which I opined to be more along the lines of frosted donkeydung.
No, I guess you're so eager to hand out insults you can't take the time to read what you're responding to.

The entirety of my post was about pattern detection: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/somerset-ky/T...

I was responding/adding to a post from _Ummm_

Or did you think I was agreeing with myself?
Sasha

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#100786 Apr 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Haha. I'm sorry but that sounded like, my friend is a doctor, so I can perform surgery.
Funny you say that, I happen to work in the medical field and no, I am not an allied health care worker. Maybe I treated you professionally before. I use Topix on occassion for strictly entertainment purposes. What do you do professionally?

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#100787 Apr 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Easily. If you had never prayed could it still have happened in the exact same way? If the answer is yes, then you have no proof of an answered prayer or miracle.

So many religious people want to play both sides of the prayer thing, as well. They pray for something and it doesn't happen? It wasn't God's will. Praise God. They pray for something and it happened? God is great! Praise God. This is NOT an objective way to look at things. The only conclusion that can be logically drawn in a world where both of those things happen is that prayer does nothing. You cannot provide evidence for a single instance of prayer actually doing something that wouldn't have happened anyway.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Yes, I can. And I did. You said you read everything. Did you miss it?"

I've seen many people describe "miracles". None of them could not have happened through normal processes or random chance. How is yours any different? I didn't see anything you've stated that would have been.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Yes you do put effort into degrading people. Everytime you type the word "idiot" or "moron" you are taking effort to degrade someone. Yes I clearly misunderstand your purpose if it is not to have fun at the expense of others."

Degrading implies a lowering. I am not doing that. I am identifying their position. They lowered themselves to it. I don't make people say idiotic things or be bigots or act like they are mentally deficient.

And sure, it's fun, but you still don't understand. I'm not calling you names right now, am I?
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
As far as God, maybe He does know. I told you I don't understand the mind of God and don't pretend to. I just try to form opinions on His far superior intelligence, knowing I won't get there.
And you know I don't click links. "

You really need to familiarize yourself with the internet and stop being so scared of everything. You should be able to tell enough from the URL to know that it's not going to destroy your computer. I'm trying to get your opinion on something and it just looks like you're being hard headed or avoiding the discussion. Frustrating.
So an ear could reattach in a matter of minutes with no medical tools or professionals involved? Show me where that has happened before.

That was a terrible attempt at trying to justify how your name calling is not degradation. And I'll use your definition and still nail your actions when you brag about how smart you are as compared to everyone else on topix. This is lowering others. I really don't care that you do it, but I'm calling a spade a spade.

As far as links, give me your own words. I don't post links to LDS sites that I know you don't care about reason and ask you to follow them. You would already doubt the source anyway. I also don't post scripture links and ask you to go read them. I speak in my own words and include a quote when necessary.

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#100788 Apr 24, 2013
Sasha wrote:
<quoted text>Funny you say that, I happen to work in the medical field and no, I am not an allied health care worker. Maybe I treated you professionally before. I use Topix on occassion for strictly entertainment purposes. What do you do professionally?
What I do professionally is not relevant is it?

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