Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#100549 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>God made his stance? Really or was that a supposed prophet speaking for what he thought god wanted just as Brigham did?
Did you question your holy ghost on that?
The only difference in the two claims is, one made it into a holy book people claim is perfect.
Now lets talk about why following a holy book that people think is perfect is as problematic as following a prophet you think has an ear to a god?
Oh, and their is quite a lot of things in the OT that Christians no longer think is gods wishes. Pick and chose.
Uh no, God destroyed cities over that stance. He made it clear.

Why do you choose to pick my beliefs apart and try to shove them in my face as if I personally have done something wrong? I'm perfectly capable and willing to discuss my beliefs and listen to yours, but it seems you'd rather attack than hold a normal conversation. What gives? Did I offend you in some way?
I don't mind answering questions, but you can drop the "aha, I got you, you horrible person" act. Lets just talk reasonably dude. Calm down and put your fists away.

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#100550 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Prophets are men, and therefore fallible. David was the most perfect (besides Christ), but even he had weaknesses. God knows we have weaknesses and He knows we will all sin, hence the need for the atonement. When we are living righteously, we are allowed to have the Spirit of God with us. Only then can revelation occur. There are times that all priesthood holders are unworthy to use the priesthood. Until we repent and become clean again, we should not use that priesthood authority. This is how it must work since we are fallible.
So then by your reasoning, the priests or prophets that claimed homosexuality was an abomination could be absolutely wrong? You keep avoiding the hard questions, don't you?

"David was the most perfect..." How can you know? Was sending the man of to die so he could screw his wife make him just a tad less perfect than someone else? If so, then the others must have been horrible people.

Really, just how do you judge anything?

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#100551 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>See my last post.
How can you really know what is a sin? Do you blindly trust the words of the prophets or are you using some other measure?
If you do the former, then your earlier posts are a lie.
I know right from wrong. I learned it in my youth from my parents and so did you. I also can feel the prompting a from the Holy Ghost and can recognize His presence.
But as society changes, God doesn't. There are many laws that were given to different groups of people at different times and some that were revoked. It depends on the will of God, and the people at the time.

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#100552 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh no, God destroyed cities over that stance. He made it clear.
Why do you choose to pick my beliefs apart and try to shove them in my face as if I personally have done something wrong? I'm perfectly capable and willing to discuss my beliefs and listen to yours, but it seems you'd rather attack than hold a normal conversation. What gives? Did I offend you in some way?
I don't mind answering questions, but you can drop the "aha, I got you, you horrible person" act. Lets just talk reasonably dude. Calm down and put your fists away.
Please show a verse that points to god not approving of the incident in question? I think you are dead wrong.
Please point to the place I call you a horrible person? Now you are just acting delusional.
I am getting a bit impatient as you keep avoiding so many of my questions, but for some odd reason, you feel you are answering them all.

Again, for the umpteenth time, how can you know the person who claimed homosexuality was an abomination in the bible was correct or was gods thoughts?

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#100553 Apr 22, 2013
So if prophets are just people, then why follow their commands as if they were words from a god? Did god say homosexuality is an abomination or was that just another flawed human some called a prophet?

Can you answer this? If not, then just say so.

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#100554 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do you figure his opinion want much different than almost every other race? Even blacks enslaved blacks. Indians (from India), Hispanics, Europeans, and Asians all viewed blacks as a lesser race. That history is very unfortunate, but accurate, and still carries on today. Our society has focused more on equality in the last hundred years than most countries have yet focused, so our opinions are different now. But put yourself, truly, in the mind frame of 1850.
Now if religions like yours could only keep up with the rest of society on the equality thing.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100555 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I also worry about it, and I feel anyone promoting belief in the supernatural is promoting what the terrorist believe in. The idea of believing prophets can lead one to believe false and immoral ideas without critical thought, as in the case of Mormons following Brigham Young's ideas for a hundred years without question.
I do not think any Muslims are here debating us, so I feel to harp on it directly is not putting focus in the best direction.
I think you just disagree with some of what is being quoted, because you don't like it-it doesn't suit your perspective, which is fine, but really, to assume anything beyond that, especially that one has any idea of what anyone else "thinks" "questions" or doesn't question, is just the epitomy of ignorance.
How would any of us know what any one questioned or didn't question, in any religion, especially over hundreds of years? That just makes no sense.
Just because we don't like something, specifically, something that isn't harming OTHERS, doesn't mean we have any "right" to trash it. Again, I personally find that type of illogic, abjectly ignorant...almost like trying to "brainwash" others, into demanding they see things ONLY the way they want us to, rather than allowing for individual freedom of thoughts, choices and beliefs.
If we weren't "allowed" (and that's almost apathetic to say that-because that too is just such an unrealisTic notion) these types of freedoms, we would all be mindless robots, or we'd be living in a communistic world (God help us, living like robots.

The idea of placing anything as some sort absolute "demagogue" is scary-prophet or not, because "absolute power corrupts absolutely". I also think there is far more to terrorism than just that "supernatural belief in what's beyond", far more to it, than just that nonsense.
I think we should add an additional curriculum in schools these days on "How to recognize brainwashing for all the wrong reasons tactics 101".

It' still okay to think for oneself these days, isn't it?

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#100556 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
It is the calling that is important, not the person. If the person chosen to fill a calling is unable or unwilling, that person could easily be replaced by another and the work of God would continue.
So while a person holds that certain calling, yes they are important to us and their decisions affect us. Like our local Branch President has the authority to make changes in our branch. But I could be called as Branch President next week. Or any other member
Just as I could take my bosses place next week, but today he is in a higher place of authority. We call this a hierarchy.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100557 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You are not answering all the questions. Like why do you know homosexuality is an abomination?
Are you telling me it was not church policy to not allow blacks into the priesthood? Or are you purposely diverting because this is not a doctrine but a policy? Again, you are just avoiding so many of my questions.
I can't believe some people even waste a brainfart minute on stuff like this.

WHO CARES-that kind of stuff really isn't ANYONE else's business, except to those whom it pertains to.
There are people that accept that stuff and find it no flipping big deal, and then there are those who won't accept that type of stuff-just like ANY and EVERYthing else in this world.

It's the TERRORIST types in ANYHTHING, that think they have some sort of right to demand all people "behave/believe" the way THEY think they should, and when they don't, even WORSE, the twisted and warped think they have some sort of right to HARM or harass (or terrorize) others, for not believing the way that they do.
THOSE types are Sickos....no matter the race, creeds or colors of!

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#100558 Apr 22, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you just disagree with some of what is being quoted, because you don't like it-it doesn't suit your perspective, which is fine, but really, to assume anything beyond that, especially that one has any idea of what anyone else "thinks" "questions" or doesn't question, is just the epitomy of ignorance.
How would any of us know what any one questioned or didn't question, in any religion, especially over hundreds of years? That just makes no sense.
Just because we don't like something, specifically, something that isn't harming OTHERS, doesn't mean we have any "right" to trash it. Again, I personally find that type of illogic, abjectly ignorant...almost like trying to "brainwash" others, into demanding they see things ONLY the way they want us to, rather than allowing for individual freedom of thoughts, choices and beliefs.
If we weren't "allowed" (and that's almost apathetic to say that-because that too is just such an unrealisTic notion) these types of freedoms, we would all be mindless robots, or we'd be living in a communistic world (God help us, living like robots.
The idea of placing anything as some sort absolute "demagogue" is scary-prophet or not, because "absolute power corrupts absolutely". I also think there is far more to terrorism than just that "supernatural belief in what's beyond", far more to it, than just that nonsense.
I think we should add an additional curriculum in schools these days on "How to recognize brainwashing for all the wrong reasons tactics 101".
It' still okay to think for oneself these days, isn't it?
Ok, some may have questioned, but the churches hierarchy did not listen if anyone actually had the balls to ask them the question.
BTW, I am all for freedom of religion, unlike Moses and the claims of the ten commandments.

I am not speaking of all terrorism, I am speaking of the Islamic terrorism we have been hit with to date. It all stems from believing in prophets without question. Ignore that fact at your peril.

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#100559 Apr 22, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you just disagree with some of what is being quoted, because you don't like it-it doesn't suit your perspective, which is fine, but really, to assume anything beyond that, especially that one has any idea of what anyone else "thinks" "questions" or doesn't question, is just the epitomy of ignorance.
How would any of us know what any one questioned or didn't question, in any religion, especially over hundreds of years? That just makes no sense.
Just because we don't like something, specifically, something that isn't harming OTHERS, doesn't mean we have any "right" to trash it. Again, I personally find that type of illogic, abjectly ignorant...almost like trying to "brainwash" others, into demanding they see things ONLY the way they want us to, rather than allowing for individual freedom of thoughts, choices and beliefs.
If we weren't "allowed" (and that's almost apathetic to say that-because that too is just such an unrealisTic notion) these types of freedoms, we would all be mindless robots, or we'd be living in a communistic world (God help us, living like robots.
The idea of placing anything as some sort absolute "demagogue" is scary-prophet or not, because "absolute power corrupts absolutely". I also think there is far more to terrorism than just that "supernatural belief in what's beyond", far more to it, than just that nonsense.
I think we should add an additional curriculum in schools these days on "How to recognize brainwashing for all the wrong reasons tactics 101".
It' still okay to think for oneself these days, isn't it?
If you think claiming homosexuality is a sin does no harm, then I think you are ignoring just what these beliefs lead to. Same for discrimination of black people.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100560 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So are you stronger due to your churches massive failure to treat black persons equally just as you now treat homosexuals without equality? If so, how?
And I understand you are not an apologetic as your excuses are lame, but they clearly suit yourself in order to keep faith.
Why do seem to think that "churches" (especially one particular denomination in particular) were the ONLY groups of people to fail on treating others equally?

Equality is logical-but were secular groups of people so "special" that they always treated others with equality?
I think not.

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#100562 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Let me rephrase the question you skipped. What took so long for you or anyone in your church to question Brigham's policy?
I questioned it but no one really cared. Guess I was not high enough in the hierarchy. I was just a kid, but knew enough in those days that treating black people as lessors in such a manner was just wrong. No need of a holy ghost to tell me this.

Now I question the concept of homosexuality being a sin. Do you?
I have no idea why it took so long for the declaration to come forth that blacks could hold the priesthood. I always supposed it was because Brigham was a prophet and people were afraid to ask, or they just assumed he was right. Or maybe that some of what he said was right but some was his opinion. If we all came from Adam and Eve, maybe the curse of Cain was black skin. We have no clue because we weren't there. All we know now is that since the atonement of Christ, we are not responsible for any sins of our ancestors. So even if black skin was supposedly the mark of Cain, it wouldn't mean anything any more. So who knows, if that part is true, then maybe when people prayed for an answer, it was confusing because some could have been true, while the rest was Brigham's opinion. I really don't know. Sorry I can't answer this for you with certainty.

And no, I do not think that homosexuality will ever be acceptable to God, nor will His doctrine change on this. Even if society continues to find it more and more acceptable, I do not believe God will.
I have no problem with people that are gay. I have several friends and classmates that are gay, and we have great conversations about the topic. But I can't approve of the act itself so we do not talk about the details of their sex lives, but then again, I don't do that with my straight friends either.

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#100563 Apr 22, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't believe some people even waste a brainfart minute on stuff like this.
WHO CARES-that kind of stuff really isn't ANYONE else's business, except to those whom it pertains to.
There are people that accept that stuff and find it no flipping big deal, and then there are those who won't accept that type of stuff-just like ANY and EVERYthing else in this world.
It's the TERRORIST types in ANYHTHING, that think they have some sort of right to demand all people "behave/believe" the way THEY think they should, and when they don't, even WORSE, the twisted and warped think they have some sort of right to HARM or harass (or terrorize) others, for not believing the way that they do.
THOSE types are Sickos....no matter the race, creeds or colors of!
So you think my questions here are bullying? Sorry, but I see the Mormon church being bullies by funding anti gay marriage initiatives.
I am for equal rights, not just for believers.
I push for no law that prevents a religious person from practicing their religion, as long as it does not harm anyone.
But I guess you are more interested in being PC. Well that is your choice, not mine. I will speak out again what I feel is bad. Don't like it, to bad. Religion has forced people like me to be quite for most of history, but freedom works both ways now. Atheists can speak out against religion.

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#100564 Apr 22, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do seem to think that "churches" (especially one particular denomination in particular) were the ONLY groups of people to fail on treating others equally?
Equality is logical-but were secular groups of people so "special" that they always treated others with equality?
I think not.
Did I say that? Nope. I am simply pointing out if a church claims moral authority, then they are proved less than moral, then they should be exposed for the frauds they are.

I am speaking to one individual here and he claims to be Moron, so I am focused on that for now. But I certainly can show you how this happens in any religion and why it leads to terrorism in the case of many Muslims.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100566 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, some may have questioned, but the churches hierarchy did not listen if anyone actually had the balls to ask them the question.
BTW, I am all for freedom of religion, unlike Moses and the claims of the ten commandments.
I am not speaking of all terrorism, I am speaking of the Islamic terrorism we have been hit with to date. It all stems from believing in prophets without question. Ignore that fact at your peril.
Add from brainwashing of and instilling hateful plague propoganda by the same..and I would agree with out issue.

I happen to LIKE the Ten Commandments personally, and find a lot of common sense for peaceful, sane and decent living within them.
But I won't act like a twit and demand you like them...although I think people should respect the few that some of our civil and moral ethics are based on.
Otherwise, we'd just have anarchy all over.
Sasha

Glasgow, KY

#100567 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea why it took so long for the declaration to come forth that blacks could hold the priesthood. I always supposed it was because Brigham was a prophet and people were afraid to ask, or they just assumed he was right. Or maybe that some of what he said was right but some was his opinion. If we all came from Adam and Eve, maybe the curse of Cain was black skin. We have no clue because we weren't there. All we know now is that since the atonement of Christ, we are not responsible for any sins of our ancestors. So even if black skin was supposedly the mark of Cain, it wouldn't mean anything any more. So who knows, if that part is true, then maybe when people prayed for an answer, it was confusing because some could have been true, while the rest was Brigham's opinion. I really don't know. Sorry I can't answer this for you with certainty.
And no, I do not think that homosexuality will ever be acceptable to God, nor will His doctrine change on this. Even if society continues to find it more and more acceptable, I do not believe God will.
I have no problem with people that are gay. I have several friends and classmates that are gay, and we have great conversations about the topic. But I can't approve of the act itself so we do not talk about the details of their sex lives, but then again, I don't do that with my straight friends either.
Do you feel that one's sexual orientation is a choice?
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100568 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>

I have no problem with people that are gay. I have several friends and classmates that are gay, and we have great conversations about the topic. But I can't approve of the act itself so we do not talk about the details of their sex lives, but then again, I don't do that with my straight friends either.
Common sense, respect and decency! Who really wants to hear about other peoples personal business like that (like you said-whatever the preference is) especially in public places!

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#100569 Apr 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Did I say that? Nope. I am simply pointing out if a church claims moral authority, then they are proved less than moral, then they should be exposed for the frauds they are.

I am speaking to one individual here and he claims to be Moron, so I am focused on that for now. But I certainly can show you how this happens in any religion and why it leads to terrorism in the case of many Muslims.
I claim to be Moron?

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#100570 Apr 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea why it took so long for the declaration to come forth that blacks could hold the priesthood. I always supposed it was because Brigham was a prophet and people were afraid to ask, or they just assumed he was right. Or maybe that some of what he said was right but some was his opinion. If we all came from Adam and Eve, maybe the curse of Cain was black skin. We have no clue because we weren't there. All we know now is that since the atonement of Christ, we are not responsible for any sins of our ancestors. So even if black skin was supposedly the mark of Cain, it wouldn't mean anything any more. So who knows, if that part is true, then maybe when people prayed for an answer, it was confusing because some could have been true, while the rest was Brigham's opinion. I really don't know. Sorry I can't answer this for you with certainty.
And no, I do not think that homosexuality will ever be acceptable to God, nor will His doctrine change on this. Even if society continues to find it more and more acceptable, I do not believe God will.
I have no problem with people that are gay. I have several friends and classmates that are gay, and we have great conversations about the topic. But I can't approve of the act itself so we do not talk about the details of their sex lives, but then again, I don't do that with my straight friends either.
Well clearly Brigham, the great prophet of the Mormon church did not get the memo you claimed all know. That " we are not responsible for any sins of our ancestors." And following prophets did not change the policy why again? Did they also not know that sins of the father are not passed down?

You still did not answer why you believe the claim in the bible about homosexuality must be true when you have admitted prophets can be wrong? Really, your statement on homosexuality answers not a single thing I asked on the subject.

)Oh, and science can explain why some have black skin, mystery solved. It has nothing to do with the ignorant claims some fallible prophet made back before science knew such answers.

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