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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142499 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100681 Apr 23, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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True words. I would add to this our (human) ability for pattern recognition contributes immensely to "magical" thinking. We're hard-wired to categorize everything we sense and to make connections with the data. Effective pattern detection was essential for our survival in the pre-modern world (and to some degree still is today). Unfortunately, it also fuels post hoc reasoning.
I sense that if one "imagines" hard enough, it almost smells like a load of donkeydung in here. Do you have some sort of "agenda"? Maybe perhaps in trying to sell frosted donkeydung disguised as something with some sort of "magical virtue-healing" powers to the unsuspecting?
(Although I could agree SOME with your statement of pattern detections, per example perhaps- when monitoring the skies, like those "stupid" primitives of old, for celestial, and not celestial events, but not so much on calling a thunderstorm a thunderstom after the fact)
AuNaturale

Hazard, KY

#100682 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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Quote,chromiuman wrote" There isn't any reasonable expectation that Rev. was divinely inspired or that John of Patmos even laid eyes on Jesus
Let me see if I understand you correctly.In order for a book to be included in the New Testament,It has to meet the following criteria.
1)That the Authors" had either known Jesus personally or were closely affiliated with somebody who had, and were considered trustworthy by that person(apostolic authority). For example, Matthew, Peter, and John were disciples, Paul had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, Mark worked closely with Peter, and Luke traveled with Paul..
2)That the message contained the book were ones that accurately portrayed Jesus and presented Christianity in the form practiced by the church that sprung out of Jesus.
.3)And that they had to be Divinely Inspired,meaning,Guided by the hand of God.
In your view,Revelation does not meet that criteria,therefore,in your judgement,it should not have been included,in
Whereas,the other books in the New Testament,because,in your judgement they met that criteria, were legitimately included.
When I made my comments about your being acomedy writer for Jay leno and that is why he was fired,I was not aware that you subscribed to the abovementioned criteria.
Accept my apologies,I had misjudged you and based on your explanation, I was wrong.
Although, I do not necessarily agree,that Revelation does not belong in the old testament
3)And that they had to be Divinely Inspired,meaning,Guided by the hand of God.
Chromiolio would have to deny the well known state of "writers block" amongst those who have ever partaken of, to deny the validity of that statement :-).
AuNaturale

Hazard, KY

#100683 Apr 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The author of Revelation has no credentials aside from having been exiled by the Romans to the island of Patmos along with other heretics.
A chapter of the book with some of The most thought provoking metaphors of the ages.

Could've been a metaphorologist, for all we REALLY know, for certain!!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#100684 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
It is the dominant theory because of evidence and reason. If humans began elsewhere we should see evidence for it. But we do not.

The same methods we used to understand that humans came out of Africa are the same methods used to dismiss ideas like Jesus Christ visiting the USA. No evidence, no dice.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100685 Apr 23, 2013
Sure wrote:
I think this would be a wonderful thing. I believe the children who want to study the bible and learn about our savoir Jesus Christ should be able to. If you do not wish to learn about Jesus you don't have to attend this study. Just an idea. We have allowed athiest ect.. To have the final say for to long. It's time Christians took a stand. Jesus will not push himself on anyone. The teaching should be available for the
Ones who want to learn.
You have it backwards, you have not allowed us, we have allowed you and the christian cult is pushing so we are making a stand. Stay away from our children, period.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100686 Apr 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Yeah,... and stuff.
okay..next time I'll just put blah blah blah, and stuff..it (cause I had other STUFF to do lol)

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#100687 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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You are right,I have never experienced what Atheists have experienced...I was once an Agnostic. See if you are in agreement with this article;
Written by Marilyn Adamson
I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.
I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.
I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."
Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me
BTW I have never questioned the natural intellect of Atheists
Atheism is a product of proper skepticism. Really, on the whole, atheism itself is boring. It just means you don't accept the god hypothesis. What is exciting is skepticism itself, the idea that we can understand this universe by examining it and using reason.

That's the fun part. The god question is only relevant because so many people seem to be ate up with the idea of god. So we have to constantly discuss it.

Go to a forum on Bigfoot, aliens, or homeopathy and you'll see the same thing. Skeptics argue from evidence and reason, believers argue from faith and magic. The god question is no different.

Personally, I think that some people who say they "used to be" atheists were never atheists. This is because a lot of people will search for answers in life and pass through various phases. I had my Jesus phase for a couple of years and then it passed. But I have been a skeptic since I was a boy. I never had a time when I just got mad at god and became an atheist. I am an atheist because I just don't have a belief in god. End of story. And that lack of belief is a direct result of being skeptical, which is the same as being rational.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100688 Apr 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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It is the dominant theory because of evidence and reason. If humans began elsewhere we should see evidence for it. But we do not.
The same methods we used to understand that humans came out of Africa are the same methods used to dismiss ideas like Jesus Christ visiting the USA. No evidence, no dice.
Have you ever examined any oceanic plate tectonics?
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100689 Apr 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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It is the dominant theory because of evidence and reason. If humans began elsewhere we should see evidence for it. But we do not.
The same methods we used to understand that humans came out of Africa are the same methods used to dismiss ideas like Jesus Christ visiting the USA. No evidence, no dice.
and why would you think Jesus actually ever physically visited the US?
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100690 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
Good point-a climb out onto Pangea would probably be a far more logical answer.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100691 Apr 23, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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and why would you think Jesus actually ever physically visited the US?
The mormons claim that some jewish people from the original blood line came to America thousands of years ago and jesus came here and revealed himself to them. That is why they are above every one else because they are from the original pure jewish blood line and are the master race. Some of that has changed, they now let blacks in their church.
They claim that the garden of Eden is in Minnesota
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100692 Apr 23, 2013
Curious wrote:
If you can't teach them all and leave it to the individual to decide on their own then it shouldn't be taught at all. We should realize that all though, yes our country was founded on a number of religious principles but our founding fathers also knew that religion is far too devisive and conflicting to allow government to have any part of. If you allow the government to be responsible for teaching our kids religion, eventually they will decide which religion, which principles and so on. Don't give our ever growing and corrupt government that kind of power. They already have more power than they should in molding our kids' precious young minds.
Okay, so we can give TJeff et al a little credit for making sure that the gov and churches should be separate entities.

Even if they should've surtaxed BOTH entities!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100693 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
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Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Satan is the true God. Jehovah is the evil devil.
Would you care to debate this? Do you have Satan on your mind? You must believe that Satan is the all powerful good Lord or you would not want to tell me that I am wrong
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100694 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The mormons claim that some jewish people from the original blood line came to America thousands of years ago and jesus came here and revealed himself to them. That is why they are above every one else because they are from the original pure jewish blood line and are the master race. Some of that has changed, they now let blacks in their church.
They claim that the garden of Eden is in Minnesota
I wouldn't rule any geneological lineage out, Pangea WAS one big land mass.

I don't think however, there's ANY "pure" bloodlines left-not given the history of mankind! Not even in RI red chickens, who generally lay brown eggs-then oops, where'd that cream colored one come from?:-)

Isn't there some sort of envirodome around those parts? Or are you referencing the one in the Bible, which then would be debatable according to geological studies on locations as referenced from the book.
Are they referencing it as such, or perhaps they have a really nice backyard garden of their own that they've created?

Non, not enough facts presented enough to form opinion upon sir...
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100695 Apr 23, 2013
GWB wrote:
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Why do Mormons think that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri?
Why hasn't Caliphonybrokia been studying Australia's new desalination mega structure, for future water provisioning?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100696 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>I will be as polite as possible as I explain the truth of this matter.

That's because you have an agenda or simply don't understand what logic is. And these are facts, not insults.

Literal interpretations of Genesis (AKA "creationism") are simply as wrong as you can get. There is a universe of contradiction. You literally cannot look ANYWHERE without finding evidence that disproves it. People who believe the literal interpretation is correct and that science is wrong are brainwashed.

That said, Christians who believe that Genesis is simply an allegory that was intended to tell a primitive people about what created them (more so than how) at least aren't contradicting reality. So they are respectable in that way. But they are still illogical. They have no justification for their beliefs (which is why it's called "faith" instead of "science"). If there are simple processes that have been theorized that are compatible with the laws of nature and require no supernatural contribution, science does not allow the addition of some supernatural contributing factor.

Further, even if we DON'T know what caused a certain thing in the past, that does not allow a logical conclusion that "God did it", because that would be a logical fallacy (argument from ignorance). The only conclusion one can logically draw is "we don't know" and then seek out new information.
So lets say that what Moses wrote was his interpretation of the vision that was given him and it may not be exactly how it happened. What if the matter that God used was from another, or several other planets that had dissipated? That's the thought that I have had on the matter.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100697 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.

Atheists don't simply believe that God does not exist. A proper way to look at it would be: atheists do not believe that the existence of a God has been demonstrated to be true based on evidence. The vast, VAST majority of atheists would gladly believe in a God that can be proven to exist. Ask around.

And your silly implications and assertions about why atheists tend to seek out knowledge, actually read your Bible, and generally know more about religion than theists are just baseless stupidity. Atheists, in my experience, are generally highly intelligent logic based individuals that seek out knowledge. And they were that way before they became atheists. You know, back when a large percentage of them were practicing Christians. It's the process of seeking and thinking that leads one to atheism.

It's not like they never read a book (including the Bible), suddenly became an atheist for no good reason, and now God is compelling them to seek salvation through the Bible.
I've said many times that I believe that one of the main reasons we are here is to have our faith tested. So what if I'm right? What if all the efforts of atheists were wasted trying to tell those with faith that they need proof, when they already know that proof will never come? The knowledge would come quickly once they die but are still aware of their surroundings. So then what? What then? I've always wanted to know what they think their thoughts would be at that moment, but no one will pause and be open minded enough to humor me with a response other than how stupid I am for believing in God. Can someone answer me with an open mind?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100698 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't the 1800s. We now have fossil records and understand mitochondrial DNA. The preponderance of current evidence supports this theory.
http://books.google.com/books...
http://books.google.com/books...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

I don't know if you really thought there was no evidence to support the theory (how?) or what else you might have thought, but those references would be good ways to educate yourself on this subject.
I had no agenda. Just wanted to know. Thanks, I'll look at this when I get a minute.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100700 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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OK...Now,

I'm not trying to diminish your faith, as long as you're acknowledging that is what you have. I am trying to simply explain that what you have IS ONLY faith and that there is NO logical/reasonable/scientific way to state that God exists. Any argument to the contrary, without new evidence, is of absolutely no value. If religious people would recognize that, you'd probably find that all of the atheists you keep battling would simply disappear.
Also, LOL @ "their hope was completely ill-founded". Really? You really think we're going to believe that's not a full time Christian?
My beliefs are based on Faith,I will readily acknowledge that,but,it is not blind faith.
I will also agree that there is NO logical/reasonable/scientific way to state that God exists,at least,not that I know of.
I have tried to explain the basis for my faith and not surprisingly,I was mocked.
There came a time in my life where I had to turn to God,in order to solve a problem was facing.
I did so,reluctantly a) I questioned God's existence,therefore,it appeared foolish,to pray to someone or something you don't accept as being real.
My situation,to me,was very painful,so I prayed nevertheless.
On the same day,same date and about the same time when I directed my prayer to God, for a positive response to my my very specific prayer ,another event was occuring that led to the solution of my problem.
Could that have been a coincidence,yes....but ,it raised some doubts in my mind,could it have been God?
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Through the years,I have found myself in other situations that have caused me to turn to God in prayer,with equally positive results. These results caused me to use my reasoning and logic in order to arrive at a conclusion.
If,I pray to God for an answer to my prayer and that request is answered,then using my reasoning and logic,I can come to one of two conclusions,Either ,the result was coincidental or God answered my prayer.
If,I am unable to explain how these coincidences occurred,then I might conclude that the results were based on luck,the power which controls odds and which brings good or bad fortune.
The problem with arriving at that conclusion is that I did not wish for a solution,nor did I hope that good luck would resolve my problems,hoping that the odds were and would continue to be,in my favor.
That is what gamblers hope for,based on wishful thinking.
.I prayed specifically to God to provide me with a solution,having faith that he would respond.
Therefore,based on the results that I received when I prayed to God,I concluded that it was God who answered my prayer
In order to arrive at that conclusion,I used my reasoning powers and logic
The positive responses and other events that took place in my life,allowed my faith to grow.
There are some who will mock me,that is to be expected..
The Scriptures tell me so
That is their problem,,,,Their problem is my blessing....As it confirms the validity of what Christ stated would happen.....Thereby causing my faith to grow
If anyone chooses to respond,they should keep this in mind
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something
Those to whom this saying applies,know exactly who I am referring to.
Insofar as the Atheist in question,I don't know her.
Why she wrote what she did,I do not know.
I can neither validate or reject her views,as I am not qualified and the allegations you have made,can only be answered by her

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#100701 Apr 23, 2013
"The greater your ignorance, the more evidence you have for the existence of God."

No god, just religies with nothing.

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