Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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do whut wrote:
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Feel free to review the previous posts regarding this conversation. I've already put it in context the best I can with the way the majority of the country mistakenly felt about blacks.
So your church, god or prophet can only keep up with the moral progress of America? First off, civil rights bills were enacted for black people over a decade before your prophet asked his supposed god. What took so long? Your church is lagging behind the times pal.Religion seems to always lag behind.

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Dude, I wasn't being insulting. I didn't think you would go back several pages to catch up, because it seems you were missing some of the conversation. I just didn't want to recap.
Believe it or not, that mentality in America existed in 1978, and still does today in many places. What I said was that the way most revelations occured with this dispensation, someone asked God about something, and then received the revelation because they took the initiative to ask. Should this have been dealt with sooner? Absolutely. So I made an assumption that based on the rest of society and their attitude towards blacks, it wasn't something that seemed out of place, so attention stayed focused elsewhere, such as missionary work, temple building, etc.
What about Hauns Mill? That doesn't seem relevant to any of these conversations that are going on, nor do you use enough verbiage (amazingly) for me to understand what your question is here. So I don't know what this means.
That mentality will always exist with the ignorant. To bad the "one true church" was so ignorant for that hundred years or so.
Point is, if you are going to claim "truth" and are proved to not have full truth, you are a failure at the game of god perfection expectation. Now if your prophets are just fallible men as you and I are, then stop calling them prophets and get off your high horse. Your church is no more true than any other.

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I guess I'm not sure what point you are trying to drive home.
In our church, we do not judge each other's worthiness as members. There is one instance in when a conversation of worthiness happens. It is when applying for a Temple Recommend. Since the Temple is the House of the Lord, God requires that some preparation be made before entering the Temple. For example, you would make sure you removed your muddy shoes before walking in on your mother's new white carpet. But even in this conversation, your answers are not verified. They trust that you are being honest. So it is still between the person and God. Because if someone chose to lie to the Bishop, the Bishop would not really be affected if this person went to the Temply unworthy. The person that lied will have to answer for that to God only.
So to me, I think it is easy to distinguish that within the church, we do not rank people. In our social lives, we have been trained to try to put people into buckets, so these thoughts still occur, but it holds no merit in the church as far as callings and responsibilities go.
So your prophets are equals? Give me a break. Their is a leadership ladder (rank) in the Mormon church.
Maybe question your prophet on that?

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In this case, yes. Same as how polygamy was revived through Smith. He read about it in the OT and asked God why this was allowed since it was so taboo in the 1800's in America.
As far as justified? No, I've said at least 4 times that I didn't think it was justified and that it should have never been said by Brigham, and that it was his opinion.
Hauns Mill
Are we talking about the same thing?
Missourians slaughtering men, women, and children because they were Mormon.
I see the predjudice correlation, but what's your question?
Guess no one dared to question the almighty prophet on that one either. See the inherent failure of having a prophet? This is just evidence your church is not the one true church. True churches do not have such massive mistakes by the one who supposedly is instructed personally by a god.
It is a simply logic/reason test.

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Fifty years from now there will probably be someone saying the same thing about homosexuals being allowed to hold the priesthood.
Yes, maybe someone should question the prophet now?

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I already have. And I already commented on it. They were slow to realize that they should ask God what they should do. Once the prophet did, he received the revelation that allowed blacks to hold the priesthood. And the proclamation did not say, NOW blacks may hold the priesthood. It reads to me like it should have always been that way. My opinion is that Brigham messed up, but no one questioned him.

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Homosexuals can hold the priesthood now
Of course you mean if they claim to not have homosexual relations.
It is no secret your church opposes gay marriage. Again, behind the times of much of our government.

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Correct. Homosexuality is a sin when acted upon. If they do not engage in the act, it is not a sin.
First, acting as if you know it is a sin is a problem. Second, you act as if all in the priesthood never sin.
But of course you take your church's stance without question, clearly.

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Luke 20
King James Version (KJV)

8 And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.

10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.

11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.

12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.

13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

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The wondering atheist,Do you breath air?Where do you suppose it comes from?See, your wrong when you think that Christians have to prove that god exist.You have to prove that he don't.
Than from your perspective You have to prove that your god is not evil (and from your bible your god is evil and the people who worship your god worship evil)

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<quoted text>I like the rest of it too!
John
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, who receive honor one from another, and
seek not the honor that [cometh] from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is
[one] that accuseth you,[even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for
he wrote concerning me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my
words?
You present no evidence supporting your assertions, dismissed.

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Does that mean that you believe his teachings are valid?Or that his teachings sound good and should be adhered to?
Is it not contradictory to say that, "you like his teachings
but,do not think he existed?If you like his teachings,but do not think he existed,then why are you attributing those teachings to him.
I am not being sarcastic,but,I am puzzled by your response.
I like a lot of the things that the character Jesus was about. Compassion, forgiveness, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor...etc. Who wouldn't, at some level, appreciate those "teachings"?
I also happen to like the Arthurian legends and think they can serve a role in teaching about honor and chivalry. Does that mean I have to believe King Arthur to be real? No, of course not.
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You also stated that"I don't scoff at all who believe. I scoff at those who believe and try to "prove" their belief by logic and reason"
You are attributing to me,something that is inaccurate,as I have never tried to prove the reasons for my beliefs,by logic and reason.
You have repeatedly made statements to the effect of "these events are logical and cannot be disproved by science..." or something else equally hyperbolic.
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Then,you asked me" How so? In reference to what I had written
(curious wrote: Therefore,they scoff at or , attack those who believe,as is pointed out in the parable..)
Now ,you kmow the parable to which I was reffering,
""Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and attack you"
I would like to know,what you may understand that parable to mean?And if you don't know,simply say so.
Once you respond,then,I will tell you my interpretation of what it means,with,which,you may or may not agree.
What does it mean to me? It means do not give sacred things (which is subjective) to those who do not (or cannot) appreciate them.

Kind of like those of us who try to reason with you. We're "casting our pearls before swine" when any of us lay out a rational explanation for something that you've posited, and you ignore it or (more likely) respond with insults.

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I like a lot of the things that the character Jesus was about. Compassion, forgiveness, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor...etc. Who wouldn't, at some level, appreciate those "teachings"?

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What does it mean to me? It means do not give sacred things (which is subjective) to those who do not (or cannot) appreciate them.
Kind of like those of us who try to reason with you. We're "casting our pearls before swine" when any of us lay out a rational explanation for something that you've posited, and you ignore it or (more likely) respond with insults.
If that is what jesus taught than how come christians are against those things and instead worship social status, wealth, and placing themselves above others? How is it that christians judge every one else when their jesus told them not to?
I like what it says in Matthew 25:32-45 but christians do not follow this.
I read a quote that said "I like your christ, but I do not like your christians"
Needed health care, food, sheltr, equal rights all of these are what christians are against for others. They want them for themselves but others may not have them
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<quoted text>Are you joking? I was in the church when the rule changed. I lived in Florida. Utah is not the only place Mormons were then or now. Evidently someone is feeding you a bunch of lies or else it is you who is willfully lying.
Their was controversy long before your superior prophets took a second to ask god. They did not worry about it because even our government was not to worried about it. Seems your perfect prophets just barely kept up with the times of government. Far from superior.
Sorry took so long to respond, had some computer problems.
IED barbaricness and brutality in Boston-and braindead igno-idiots are worried about Mormons?

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<quoted text>If that is what jesus taught than how come christians are against those things and instead worship social status, wealth, and placing themselves above others? How is it that christians judge every one else when their jesus told them not to?
I like what it says in Matthew 25:32-45 but christians do not follow this.
I read a quote that said "I like your christ, but I do not like your christians"
Needed health care, food, sheltr, equal rights all of these are what christians are against for others. They want them for themselves but others may not have them
Go play with the muslim brotherhood...maybe you'll get a clue then.

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Go play with the muslim brotherhood...maybe you'll get a clue then.
That makes no sense about what I said.
How come you do not follow what you claim your jesus said?
If the best you can do is label any one who does not blindly agree with you as a muslum you are weak.
And I am against all three of the hate filled, blood lusting, slef serving Abrahamic cults.
You are a sick freak that worships evil
And stop looking at kiddie porn you sick freak

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Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>If that is what jesus taught than how come christians are against those things and instead worship social status, wealth, and placing themselves above others? How is it that christians judge every one else when their jesus told them not to?
I like what it says in Matthew 25:32-45 but christians do not follow this.
I read a quote that said "I like your christ, but I do not like your christians"
Needed health care, food, sheltr, equal rights all of these are what christians are against for others. They want them for themselves but others may not have them
Good question. If Jesus were real and alive in America today, I wonder how far he would distance himself from his "followers". I'm betting pretty damned far.

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I just find it to be a personal choice...often parental, and then as individual adults.
Twice is enough, after that, I prefer ingrained salt water refreshment of soul myself :-).
So you parental choice is to indoctrinate children with superstition. Then your choice for individual adults is to condemn them en mass if they are not superstitious.
Then if all else fails, you prefer a nice warm sit with the Bible and a saline IV? Maybe some ringer's lactate and a gospel CD if you're feeling wild on a Saturday night?
uh, yeah - I guess that's all logical.
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Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>That makes no sense about what I said.
How come you do not follow what you claim your jesus said?
If the best you can do is label any one who does not blindly agree with you as a muslum you are weak.
And I am against all three of the hate filled, blood lusting, slef serving Abrahamic cults.
You are a sick freak that worships evil
And stop looking at kiddie porn you sick freak
I personally DO enjoy the humble words of the man history has presented via the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

You have a problem with that?

Too baduh for YOU then-you (and other haters of GOODNESS) can kiss my wholesome lettuce sowing, radish loving, green bean raising behind.

(and don't promote ANY of that vileness of perversions NEAR any of MY underage charges-because I would scratch eyeballs out over it!)
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Good question. If Jesus were real and alive in America today, I wonder how far he would distance himself from his "followers". I'm betting pretty damned far.
Thing is, greed is never satisfied with having the basic humane components--and are often abusive and misappropriative with, and of, that of which they are blessed to have. And that includes ALL "social classes"--rich, middle AND the entitleMentally disabled.
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So you parental choice is to indoctrinate children with superstition. Then your choice for individual adults is to condemn them en mass if they are not superstitious.
Then if all else fails, you prefer a nice warm sit with the Bible and a saline IV? Maybe some ringer's lactate and a gospel CD if you're feeling wild on a Saturday night?
uh, yeah - I guess that's all logical.
WTH are you talking about? I've never indoctrinated mine with anything other than EDUCATION for ENLIGHTENMENT whenever possible-you wanna mouth whip me for that one?

How many times do you need to read a statement, before it sinks into your thick skull?

Just because I am NOT as wild, deviant and perverted as you might think people should be, is YOUR problem.

Is that what you do on Saturday nights?

I enjoyed a nice magazine, quietly and horizantally, feet propped up-placement lightening only, with a nice, refreshing glass of healthy juice at my side.

I think I like my idea of "logical" better than your delusionatory projection....as a matter of fact-your sounds kind of...ewe.

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