Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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The raptur is on it's way. Can't you feel it in the news????
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They oppose bible study for the same reason they teach only consensus global warming. The media, teachers unions and politicians have vested interest in ignorance and high self esteem.

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I've been reading the Bible. Well, "listening" to it anyway. I've read bits and pieces before, like most of us have. But I wanted to try to read as much as possible. For giggles.

Some observations so far:

1) First words uttered by a woman lead to every single person being born broken and requiring God to fix us.

2) Second time a woman speaks it is Sarai, wife of Abraham. And the context is that Abraham, scared that Egyptians are going to kill him to steal his wife, tells her to tell them she is his sister. So, y'know, that way she'll be taken for a wife by some strange man but ole Abe will be just alright. Nice start for the father of all the Biblical religions. Consequently, that is not the only time a Biblical patriarch pulls that exact same ruse.

3) When the daughter of Jacob (who later becomes Israel) has sex with a boy who falls in love with her, the girl's brothers are angered. So they trick the Canaanites into circumcising themselves to become allies. Then, while the men are sore, they kill 'em all and take their women. Jacob, one of the most crucial figures in the old Bible, is angry. But not because of the murdering...he's irritated that his reputation is tarnished and now he will have to move again. God, it seems, has absolutely nothing to say about this.

4) God basically gives two orders near the beginning. He tells Adam and Eve not to eat fruit from a certain tree (which he conveniently places right in their midst and makes it extremely tasty), and not to kill people. That's it. Just don't kill people and don't eat this fruit. So of course they eat the fruit and we all suffer now. And later, in that Jacob story I mentioned, his people absolutely sh*t all over his other divine edict by slaughtering every man in a certain city. And yeah...God says nothing.

What a weird old book. Genesis is as irrational as it gets. When read literally it makes no sense at all. I don't understand how a modern person could possibly read this book as anything other than mythology. And I damn sure don't see where anybody gets morals from it. I haven't seen anyone in Genesis promote any universally held moral instinct that we promote today. If they spare someone's life it is not because it is wrong to kill, but because of some other reason. If they kill people, sometimes nothing is said and sometimes they are punished. There is no consistency there. Woman are objects for trading and f*cking and taking care of the little ones. Hell, the wife of Noah is just as important as Eve right? All the other women were dead. She is the new Eve. But the Bible doesn't even tell us her name.

Because who cares, right? She's just a vagina with legs, by Biblical standards.

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And what about that bastard Jacob? When his father Isaac is old and blind and ready to die he is going to bestow his blessings on his son, Esau. His blessings are the blessings of the God of Abraham, so it is a very big deal.

So Jacob, his other son, is told by his mother to trick Isaac into thinking he is Esau so he can get the blessings instead. So he does. And Isaac mistakenly blesses Jacob with God's blessings instead of Esau.

So Jacob becomes the most important character in the Bible for a long time and is actually named Israel by a wrestler. That means the entire Biblical lineage of the chosen people comes from a lie.

And Jacob goes on and lives a long life with wives and many children and riches out the yazoo. And he never regrets or even mentions it again.

And what an a-hole he is anyway. He does nothing in that entire book that is worth respect or admiration. He lies, cheats, condones murder, and is kind of an idiot really.

Ah well.

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What have Christians done to you recently?
Quantummist wrote:
Actually the Inquisition was civil code and set the actions and lifestyles of all it could control, was the religious/government prime civil code and anyone not following the codes of conduct set forth were arrested, jailed, tortured and killed... Decency is a Variable based on the norms at the time...
The inquisition was still wrong; proselytizing by the blade of a sword was wrong before the Spanish Inquisition. Besides, the Muslims had invaded and conquered Spain until Europe woke up. Those were bizarre times and weird civil codes were the least of the problem.

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What would be called Decent today would have been considered an abomination in the past and thing in the past that were considered decent would be considered abhorrent today...
Morality is constant, murder is wrong and God said so in the Bible. Face facts, murder has been wrong since the myth of Cain and Abel. Not a fashion like manners, courtesy or diversity; right and wrong are basic moral facts. Ancient Greeks proposed utilitarian and idealistic moral codes thousands of years ago. There've been improvements...

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Respect is Earned, If given without being earned it has no value....
Everyone deserves respect unless they are convicted of abusing the freedom of others. You have a right to radical atheist beliefs and we have a right to religious faith. All the same thing really, except we understand the difference between faith based and pseudoscience. Punish criminals respect can be lost but never stolen.

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Quantummist wrote:
Religions are based on conquest, power grabbing and abuse... Also human ego run amuck....
Modern religions are based on faith in God and accepting human fallibility. Question your environment and learn the truth.

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Brian_G wrote:
They oppose bible study for the same reason they teach only consensus global warming. The media, teachers unions and politicians have vested interest in ignorance and high self esteem.
You left out Commies, Reds, ACLU, NAACP, EPA, IRS, and TMNT.

Come on man, be consistent! You have to tow the party line.

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Yiago wrote:
I've been reading the Bible. Well, "listening" to it anyway. I've read bits and pieces before, like most of us have. But I wanted to try to read as much as possible. For giggles.
Some observations so far:
Don't study the bible with someone who reads if for giggles; read it with someone who cares. Don't profane God's Holy Books with blasphemy, if you can help it.

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1) First words uttered by a woman lead to every single person being born broken and requiring God to fix us.
Don't blame women, that's not the moral of the story. The moral is, men and women are different, just like humans are different from God or animals. The snake is the devil, not Eve.

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2) Second time a woman speaks it is Sarai, wife of Abraham. And the context is that Abraham, scared that Egyptians are going to kill him to steal his wife, tells her to tell them she is his sister. So, y'know, that way she'll be taken for a wife by some strange man but ole Abe will be just alright. Nice start for the father of all the Biblical religions. Consequently, that is not the only time a Biblical patriarch pulls that exact same ruse.
Times change.

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3) When the daughter of Jacob (who later becomes Israel) has sex with a boy who falls in love with her, the girl's brothers are angered. So they trick the Canaanites into circumcising themselves to become allies. Then, while the men are sore, they kill 'em all and take their women. Jacob, one of the most crucial figures in the old Bible, is angry. But not because of the murdering...he's irritated that his reputation is tarnished and now he will have to move again. God, it seems, has absolutely nothing to say about this.
Jacob is spared by his brothers.

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4) God basically gives two orders near the beginning. He tells Adam and Eve not to eat fruit from a certain tree (which he conveniently places right in their midst and makes it extremely tasty), and not to kill people. That's it. Just don't kill people and don't eat this fruit. So of course they eat the fruit and we all suffer now. And later, in that Jacob story I mentioned, his people absolutely sh*t all over his other divine edict by slaughtering every man in a certain city. And yeah...God says nothing.
Free will. Man's imperfection; Yiago can't even understand God's word we're so flawed.

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What a weird old book. Genesis is as irrational as it gets. When read literally it makes no sense at all. I don't understand how a modern person could possibly read this book as anything other than mythology. And I damn sure don't see where anybody gets morals from it.
You want weird? Watch, "The Inconvenient Truth"; our beliefs are based on faith, not pseudoscience.

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I haven't seen anyone in Genesis promote any universally held moral instinct that we promote today. If they spare someone's life it is not because it is wrong to kill, but because of some other reason. If they kill people, sometimes nothing is said and sometimes they are punished. There is no consistency there.
Exodus and the Ten Commandments help. Even Abel's murder is condemned, though uniquely, not with capital punishment. I support capital punishment; this is where we differ.

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Woman are objects for trading and f*cking and taking care of the little ones. Hell, the wife of Noah is just as important as Eve right? All the other women were dead. She is the new Eve. But the Bible doesn't even tell us her name. Because who cares, right? She's just a vagina with legs, by Biblical standards.
It's best to study the bible with someone who respects religion and women both. Biblical patriarchy don't define our society and government.

They call Christians sexist because of the way they read the bible. I find that problematic at best. I don't blame Christians, I blame the ACLU.

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Yiago wrote:
You left out Commies, Reds, ACLU, NAACP, EPA, IRS, and TMNT. Come on man, be consistent! You have to tow the party line.
The EPA and IRS are government agencies. I don't call my political opponents communists or other names. We know who they are. The ACLU and NAACP used to be relevant, now they're bored.

They want to defame our religions and cultural institutions to further their political goals. Socialists and Progressives should be included, not the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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<quoted text>The EPA and IRS are government agencies. I don't call my political opponents communists or other names. We know who they are. The ACLU and NAACP used to be relevant, now they're bored.
They want to defame our religions and cultural institutions to further their political goals. Socialists and Progressives should be included, not the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
You haven't address Yiago post #100303 and #100304. Let's see your rebuttal.
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You haven't address Yiago post #100303 and #100304. Let's see your rebuttal.
I answered 100303 here: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/somerset-ky/T...

304 doesn't need rebuttal, I'm not debating religion with an atheist. I maybe born again, but I wasn't born yesterday.
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Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that they would force it on the children. The christian cult is dying and they are desperate to brainwash innocent children.
The teachers who are jesus freaks would bully students in to studying the bible and there would be preachers in the schools going around trying to con children
Plus, with such high numbers of christians raping children they should not be allowed in schools period
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Don't study the bible with someone who reads if for giggles; read it with someone who cares. Don't profane God's Holy Books with blasphemy, if you can help it.
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<quoted text>Don't blame women, that's not the moral of the story. The moral is, men and women are different, just like humans are different from God or animals. The snake is the devil, not Eve.
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<quoted text>Times change.
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<quoted text>Jacob is spared by his brothers.
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<quoted text>Free will. Man's imperfection; Yiago can't even understand God's word we're so flawed.
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<quoted text>You want weird? Watch, "The Inconvenient Truth"; our beliefs are based on faith, not pseudoscience.
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<quoted text>Exodus and the Ten Commandments help. Even Abel's murder is condemned, though uniquely, not with capital punishment. I support capital punishment; this is where we differ.
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<quoted text>It's best to study the bible with someone who respects religion and women both. Biblical patriarchy don't define our society and government.
They call Christians sexist because of the way they read the bible. I find that problematic at best. I don't blame Christians, I blame the ACLU.
I'm not interested in discussing religion with a forum troll. Your replies here are either total dodges ("times change"??) or non-sequiturs (a refernce to Al-f*cking-Gore??). It's a waste of my time even reading them.

But I will offer this, not for your sake but because its on my mind. I do actually enjoy reading about religions. And I have studied the Bible before, not in an attempt to ridicule it but to understand what it is. I enjoy reading Biblical criticism. I like understanding the difference between Modern Biblical Scholarship and Ancient Biblical Scholarship. Frankly, reading these old stories is a great exercise in critical thinking.

Regarding the Bible and modern Christianity, I find it strange that Christians can claim to use the Bible as a moral authority when it clearly has no moral consistency. You or someone else mentioned the fact that murder has always been unacceptable. And in some cases God does punish murderers to some degree. But in other cases it is ignored, as in the sons of Jacob murdering all the men of a city after lying to them. No punishment, not even a stern warning. Yet a few chapters later it is mentioned in passing that there was a guy (Er?) who God felt was wicked...so he killed him. No reason. Just did it.
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<quoted text>What is unclean about my post?
And I am not going to be censored. I expressed my utmost contempt for a troll. The poster does not deserve any respect.
I do not find words to be unclean.
No... just your heart/spirit!
Thanks again!
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-NEPHILIM- wrote:
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Yeah, I figured that. That's a lot to ask for a person to give up on their sexual desires. I'm straight and had the testosterone of a bull elephant. If it was turned around and I had to sleep with a gay guy because my church required it then I couldn't do it.
Some people are just wired different and they don't like the same things we like. Those people are people too. I can't understand a loving God that is so petty. If I was God I wouldn't care who loved who. I'd want my people to find happiness without hurting anyone to get it.
To ask someone to renounce their inner desires is just to much control for me.
70+% are beguiled into it, the rest...
well... we've found the causes of down syndrome, I'm sure
with a lil research we can find a cure for it!...
Wired differently? It's called Lust, and Sin!
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So we should cut down all trees that don't have fruit? Man that would strip most forests bare... Guess I'll get out my chain saw and start whacking down the local pine groves first....
LOL...
Would there be any trees that didn't give something good...
like oxygen?

It was a 'Parable'!
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Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The bible only applies to OTHER people, christians do not even read their bible
I really wish you would control your lying...
You just keep proving the Bible to be true...
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Quantummist wrote:
Argh!
Hey... Glad to see they got the Boston bombers....
Is anyone here surprised they're Muslim????
Not me... I knew it when I heard the word 'Bomb'!
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curious wrote:
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Wrong Again Sparky..The following verses,found in the Old Testament,Isaiah 53;1 to 12 ,,Is Isaiah saying this of himself,or of someone else.
Isaiah 53:1-12
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
He is speaking of Jesus... Amen!
Yes and Amen

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curious wrote:
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Great Post,,,Great contrast between those who live according to their human nature and those who diligently seek and fear God
Romans 3:10-18
10 As the Scriptures say,
“No one is righteous—
not even one.
11 No one is truly wise;
no one is seeking God.
12 All have turned away;
all have become useless.
No one does good,
not a single one.”[a]
13 “Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave.
Their tongues are filled with lies.”
“Snake venom drips from their lips.”[b]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[c]
15 “They rush to commit murder.
16 Destruction and misery always follow them.
17 They don’t know where to find peace.”[d]
18 “They have no fear of God at all.”[e]
Great post...
Full of Truth!
God Bless :-)

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