Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 135,152

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99594 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't expect you to believe it. It's a shame you can't though.
Lets see if I can say this so it is understood.
I do not believe. I think that you do believe. I would fight some one over your right to believe, but I will also fight you over some one elses right not to believe.
There are several people posting here that act like they believe but clearly only believe in elevating themselves.
My point is every one has the same rights and no one shall trample them.
I respect that YOU truly do believe, I really do, at the same time I disagree with you.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99595 Apr 13, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I am responding to your post,number 99477. The answer to the question you are asking,can be found in my post number 99476 on page4763. In other words,it was right in front of your nose and you could not see it,which demonstrates how incompetent you are.
Go back to that post and read it,Answer will be found in 5th verse.
Do yourself a favor,program the post number ,pahe number and verse number into your GPS,that way you will have no excuse for not finding it.
And no,I never said it was a miracle, I believe it was God's response to prayer.
I do not believe that YOU do believe. You have been weighed and found wanting.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99596 Apr 13, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Pose your questions to:
The Watchtower
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201
That way you can get your answer straight from their mouth!
"their" being the current GB, of course, of course - they'll give you the answer that they'll endorse. They're always on a... wait - that's the other end of the horse, isn't it?
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#99597 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, nice try but it is a lie.
The founding fathers, after seeing how the church in England slaughtered people saw fit to protect the people from the church.
Worth a Watch
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99598 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Ok you want me to believe that after a talking snake made a woman eat fruit there was an ark with two of every kind and a super flood than a virgin got pregnant so the god that demanded animal sacrifice and killing babies turned in to a loving god and you are better than every one else?
Next you will want us to believe that you are not a drug abuser
Hey,Chromiuman,not only are you not addressing the issues that I posted,but in your confusion,you accidentally used one of your other Nick names.
You make a good case for evolution,you have evolved from one to many nicknames
........BANG.......
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99599 Apr 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if you want to be a stick in the mud, I suppose I could have posted this instead...
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pa...
Why thank you, for picking up my slack, mine eyes appreciate that.:-)
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99600 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, nice try but it is a lie.
The founding fathers, after seeing how the church in England slaughtered people saw fit to protect the people from the church.
Have you read the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury (CT) Baptists?
Go back a few hundred pages, it's in this thread somewhere-at LEAST once, if not more than that. One more time posting it- won't hurt

Read it again. Slowly and with a not so closed mind.

One of the first things you should notice, aside from written eloquence, is the absence of venom, when addressing others.

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To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

Courtesy of The Library of Congress @

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99601 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, nice try but it is a lie.
The founding fathers, after seeing how the church in England slaughtered people saw fit to protect the people from the church.
Now, should you wish to discuss the sociological aspects of Jefferson's own apparent ideals, the "good founding father T Jefferson" in mine opinion, could've used a bit of polishing in granting true freedom to ALL people.
Of course, that was then, and this now...but really if you consider the scenerio, Jefferson had himself quite a little "cult" of his own going on then, now didn't he.

:-)
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99602 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, nice try but it is a lie.
The founding fathers, after seeing how the church in England slaughtered people saw fit to protect the people from the church.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#99603 Apr 13, 2013
Good Speech by Glen Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
GWB

Roseville, CA

#99604 Apr 13, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Pose your questions to:
The Watchtower
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201
That way you can get your answer straight from their mouth!
Why do they need someone like you, if we have to get answers from the Watchtower?

Be a real soldier of Christ and Charlie McCarthy the question Nephilim ask of you.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#99605 Apr 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously. Adam and Eve were the first audience and Satan was the first ventriloquist. Makes one wonder if Charlie McCarthy's mitochondrial DNA might be traced back to the tree of knowledge...?
Now that's funny. I have to watch his comedy on youtube.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#99607 Apr 13, 2013
Oxymoron wrote:
Good Speech by Glen Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Glen Beck make a "good speech?"
The man couldn't make a good.....oh, nevermind.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99608 Apr 13, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey,Chromiuman,not only are you not addressing the issues that I posted,but in your confusion,you accidentally used one of your other Nick names.
You make a good case for evolution,you have evolved from one to many nicknames
........BANG.......
1) I would gladly address your "issues" if you would state them rationally and clearly. Aside from that, I am not an anger management counselor. pfffft.
2) I'm not SP and I post with no other account. Mind your 9th commandment.
3) "...BANG...?" As in the discharge of a firearm? Perhaps the Topix moderators had a GOOD REASON for deleting your post(s)? Pardon me if I decline to make my location un-hidden.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#99609 Apr 13, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Glen Beck make a "good speech?"
The man couldn't make a good.....oh, nevermind.
He sounds like a suspect on the "First 48" making up a story on the fly and hopes everyone will believe it.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99610 Apr 13, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, should you wish to discuss the sociological aspects of Jefferson's own apparent ideals, the "good founding father T Jefferson" in mine opinion, could've used a bit of polishing in granting true freedom to ALL people.
Of course, that was then, and this now...but really if you consider the scenerio, Jefferson had himself quite a little "cult" of his own going on then, now didn't he.
:-)
Actually, Jefferson did a bit of a political balancing act with this letter. The Danbury Baptist Association felt that Connecticut adopting Congregationalism as the official state religion placed them in a position of discrimination.
Jefferson's first draft of the letter explained that he was prohibited from "even occasional performances of devotion" unlike, he said, the way it is "practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church."

Is there something in this that leads you to believe Jefferson intended "separation of church and state" to denote anything more or less than government neutrality regarding religion?
Where do you jump from that to a Jeffersonian "cult?"

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99611 Apr 13, 2013
why dont you know wrote:
One of the reasons the first amendment was established was to protect religion from the government. But now it's been turned on it's head and is used to protect government from religion. And there is no separation of church and state. That phrase came from a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist minister and is not found in government documents but is used now as a reason to be hostile to religion. If our founding fathers could be aware of what has happened to their form of government, they would be spinning in their graves and wondering why we haven't thrown off the yoke of this modern version of government.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The Barbary Treaties, Article 11
Nov. 4, 1796

When religious factions attempt to coerce government to their own agendas and usurp the collective will of the people, it is not the religions who are under attack - it is the fabric of representative democracy.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99612 Apr 13, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>im not sayin that wouldnt be a miracle cuiz it would be. im sayin your friends are liars. cant say it no clearer than that. funny that no one seen it happen, not even the parents. the put him in a closet and he came out fixed....lmao i said the kid could have just been playin a joke on them too. tehre are many factors and u just accepted it all as truth cuz u are part of the group and u think they wont lie to u but reality is everyone lies. especially the more religious they get, for example, the same cripple that gets healed at each new town as the revival travels across the country. hearsay and all that is not a miracle unless there is some proof when everyone knows that everyone lies.
Haha. This ain't no televangelist show, these were friends of mine, with nothing to prove and nothing to gain. They got no publicity off this. They didn't even want many people knowing because they didn't want their lives ruined by our ridiculous media.
It's funny the accusations that you make on this occurrence.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99613 Apr 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think is "miraculous" about a fleshy and cartilaginous piece of flesh knitting? Do you seriously think the parent was going to tug on the ear to see if he could get it to come back off, or do you suppose he was going to keep it compressed in place for as long as possible?

So "worthy males" of the LDS are able to leash the POWER of GOD to their beck and call... umm.. yeah, okay. Worked well enough for Bishop Willard.
The miracle is that it happened in minutes, not weeks.

Who is Willard?
Yes I hold the priesthood as well. The priesthood is the power and authority to act in God's name. the more in tune with the Spirit an individual is, and the amount of faith one has is pivotal in what that person is able to do. It is the same priesthood power that Christ held and bestowed upon the apostles and sent them out to heal the sick. It is the same power used to create the earth and all that you see.
I have been an instrument in God's hands through the priesthood power in two memorable occasions in which doctors were astonished. One was my mother n law who now is cancer free after she was diagnosed with cancer two different times and was given a year to live. The other was a boy that was mauled by the family dog who almost lost his arm. The doctors had already planned a surgery to amputate the next day, but then cancelled the OR after the improvement made overnight in his condition.
I'm sure you'll call BS on this too so I'm sparing myself from typing a lot of detail. If you are truly open minded, I don't mind sharing, but I don't really want to open up to my own personal stories just to be ridiculed and called a liar. Attacks become personal in that case.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99614 Apr 13, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>Do you believe the moon and sun are inhabited?
No, nor do we think that Brigham's opinion on that was inspired.

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