Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99510 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I see what you are getting at with the communication thing. But if He had full interaction the way you are saying, it'd be like doing everything for your own children. They would not learn anything from it and they would resent you for most everything.
So you equate teaching our children to doing everything for your children?
Writing a book is not "doing everything". I am not asking for full interaction. Full interaction would include actually talking to me in person. Far from writing a book in his own hand. You take giant leaps.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99511 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
The child fell and caught his ear which was barely hanging. The kid was screaming uncontrollably so the dad told the mom to call 911 and then took the kid in a dark closet so his son wouldn't see the blood and continue to scream. He prayed and blessed his son and after several minutes the child stopped screaming. He opened the door to let light in and the child's ear was fine. It left a scar and they kept all the bloody clothes to show their friends what God did for them. The child was old enough to remember falling and getting hurt so he talked about it all the time.
This one doesn't seem to be explainable to me other than God's intervention.
Are you claiming you personally witnessed this? You do not tell the story as if you were there.
I hear people making such claims yet never have a shread of evidence to back up the claim. Bloody clothes does not prove an ear was severed.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99512 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No it is due mainly to the Council of Nicea formed by Constantine
Well if we had the words written directly from the Jesus, no council would be able to keep such authority today.
I keep hearing claims of miracles yet you guys act as if preserving the hand writen words of Jesus would be impossible.
I see no excuse for the lack of writings from Jesus. Writing is how we humans can transfer information more accurately. Clearly religion has failed to produce original documentation expected for authenticity.
Anyone can make a claim.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99514 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I think some of the New Testament was written by the apostles. I think some was abridged to include the oral stories too. No I don't think any stenographers were there for sure.
The reproductive organs wouldn't have to be the only clue. We know that Dinosaurs laid eggs and saber tooth tigers had live births.
I would just think if at some point crocodiles began having live babies over the course of whatever period of time, there would be some evidence of that major change. Especially if people are going to base their beliefs and theories around such a claim.
Their is not one handwritten word in existance known to be from an apostle according to the biblical scholars I have read.
So why would it have been so hard to have a stenographer to write down the words of the god-man? Or better yet, why did the Jesus not simply write the important stuff down himself? I have yet to hear a single plausable answer.
If the Jesus was able to perform magical miracles, he could have produced books upon books written in many languages to prohibit confusion and misinterpretation.
Seeing as how we only have claimed hearsay writings, it looks more like unfounded claims.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99516 Apr 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't you just call me a dolt? Even though, to the best of my knowledge, I've never addressed you.
Tsk, tsk... What your god must think of you...
What MY "God" thinks of me, is My business, and certainly none of yours.

I don't manipulate well, actually, I loathe such tactics.

If you don't want to be called out for doltish posts, don't post like one.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99517 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Who knows if He covered everything or not. They make comment that He said way more than they could write. Yeah it'd be very convenient if everything were written for us. But what would that really change? Hardly anyone can agree on what WAS written.
Hardly anyone can agree on what was written due to vaugeness and different writtings. Also problems exist due to the language translations. All this could have been twarted if the Jesus simply had wrote his views in his own hand and in various languages. A simple fix for a massive problem.
The Jesus could have left us a drop of his blood on each page for some DNA verification maybe.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99518 Apr 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh-huh. False precepts, false accusing and contempt prior to investigation. The word "versus" skipped your notice.
So your stating, "It's the Ignorant ones, that try to lump and label everyone into one little ignorant square box, and call them all the same, that I have issue with" was just a transparent attempt to deceptively SOUND thoughtful, reasonable, rational and tolerant.
Wrong, I saw all that AND the word as well.

And then I read some of the Word.

I don't believe in deception either.

I really do have a low tolerance for abject ignorance, it just begets more ignorance.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99519 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You envision hollywood and the churches version of Satanism.
Several pages back I posted our beliefs.
Again, the christian cults scare tactics are no more real than their god. There is no devil
I do find it funny how the "devil" and the devil worshipers are exactly like the god of the old testament and the people who sacrificed animals to the god of the old testament
I didn't envision any such thing, I said that stuff doesn't interest me, also meaning I wouldn't waste anytime watching anything much about it, especially when there's far more interesting things to give attention to.

If that was the case, why would I even respond to your posts, I saw your stated beliefs, and per those, I find no reason to disrespect.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99520 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>People who desrve to be treated well and respected do.
When some one shows that they do not treat others with the same regard as they expect to be treated they get no respect
People can be quite complicated. I'd much rather treat them nicer, than not, when ever possible anyway.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99521 Apr 13, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, I saw all that AND the word as well.
And then I read some of the Word.
I don't believe in deception either.
I really do have a low tolerance for abject ignorance, it just begets more ignorance.
Kettle calling the pot black? In order to have faith you are forcing yourself to be ignorant and deceiving yourself
I notice that you have separate rules for others than you do for yourself
And you place yourself above all others, when in fact you are lower than every one else
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99522 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>In other words it is what YOU want and what YOU believe.
You just lost what little credibility you had.
But thank you for PROVING what I said about the christian cult elevating themselves above others.
I'm not a Christian in any "cult". Don't you find that rather assumptive of yourself?

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as what "I want and believe". Actually, that kind og statement is rather ILLogical in my world, because in a truly sane, rational grown up world, any one with any small iota of sense should realize, there's no such thing as always having what we as individuals want, let alone even expecting that the rest of the world should see things exactly the way we as individuals of person would. That is totally whack actually in my opinion.

So could you explain exactly what are you talking about, so I can find some sort of rationality to apply any credibility to? Because you juat just lost some of yours, lumping and labelduhming stuff down a few levels.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99523 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well the bible claims the unbeliever is a fool and does not good, but just how true is this claim?
Psalm 14
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Fool Says, There Is No God
To the choirmaster. Of David.
14 The fool says in his heart,“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds,
there is none who does good.
"None" is an absolute amount, so if a single atheist has ever done a good thing, the bible is proven false.
If this is proven false, then what other claims might the bible be wrong about?
let us look at psalm 14 in it's entirety,not just the first verse. Read the 2nd verse,which you conveniently left out along with the subsequent verses,which give a full explanation,
The verses state that they do not seek God,as is the case with Atheists..All have turned away.
The fact that a person made have done one good thing,does not mean that he does or is good.
If that were the case,then we could consider Hitler as being a good man,Charles Manson as being a good man,Bin laden as being a good man,as I am sure that,at some point ,they must have done at least,one good thing..
The list of evil doers,that more than likely,did one good thing in their life,can go on and on.That does not make them good.
Therefore,the validity and truth of the Bible is maintained

Psalm 14

For the director of music. Of David.

1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.


2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.


4 Do all these evildoers know nothing?

They devour my people as though eating bread;
they never call on the Lord.
5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous.
6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.


7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores his people,
let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99524 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Kettle calling the pot black? In order to have faith you are forcing yourself to be ignorant and deceiving yourself
I notice that you have separate rules for others than you do for yourself
And you place yourself above all others, when in fact you are lower than every one else
How can you use the term "cult" against anyone else?

I have rules for MYSELF. I do NOT demand everyone else follow my rules for myself.

Would you like to compare current elevation levels? Then perhaps your statement might make some sort of logical sense-otherwise, it's just more kindergarten level sandbox BS of no merit slinging.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99525 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I think some of the New Testament was written by the apostles. I think some was abridged to include the oral stories too. No I don't think any stenographers were there for sure.
The reproductive organs wouldn't have to be the only clue. We know that Dinosaurs laid eggs and saber tooth tigers had live births.
I would just think if at some point crocodiles began having live babies over the course of whatever period of time, there would be some evidence of that major change. Especially if people are going to base their beliefs and theories around such a claim.
The fact that mammals and reptiles wrap their embryos within these defenses makes them known as amniotes, which first evolved about 310 million years ago. The fossil record of amniotic eggs and embryos is paltry, leaving scientists little knowledge about when, how and why they evolved.

Scientists have typically assumed that egg-laying emerged before live birth in amniotes, since earlier creatures such as amphibians and fish are typically egg-layers. However, the earliest direct evidence of reproduction in amniotes to date is dominated by specimens that gave birth to live young
http://www.livescience.com/22437-earliest-mam...

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99526 Apr 13, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you use the term "cult" against anyone else?
I have rules for MYSELF. I do NOT demand everyone else follow my rules for myself.
Would you like to compare current elevation levels? Then perhaps your statement might make some sort of logical sense-otherwise, it's just more kindergarten level sandbox BS of no merit slinging.
You post non sense with out ever showing proof and than ignore when some one post facts.
You are a troll with no credibility that uses different names to post the same crap
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99527 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>
And you place yourself above all others, when in fact you are lower than every one else
And this just proves, one really has NO idea or clue about who or what they may be speaking with on the internet.
Because that statement is SO far from any truth in reality, if you have some actual sense, you'd be embarrassed for yourself for even typing it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99528 Apr 13, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
let us look at psalm 14 in it's entirety,not just the first verse. Read the 2nd verse,which you conveniently left out along with the subsequent verses,which give a full explanation,
The verses state that they do not seek God,as is the case with Atheists..All have turned away.
The fact that a person made have done one good thing,does not mean that he does or is good.
If that were the case,then we could consider Hitler as being a good man,Charles Manson as being a good man,Bin laden as being a good man,as I am sure that,at some point ,they must have done at least,one good thing..
The list of evil doers,that more than likely,did one good thing in their life,can go on and on.That does not make them good.
Therefore,the validity and truth of the Bible is maintained
Psalm 14
For the director of music. Of David.
1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
4 Do all these evildoers know nothing?
They devour my people as though eating bread;
they never call on the Lord.
5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous.
6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.
7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores his people,
let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
The bible does not say they are bad people, it says they have done no good. How can you twist this to mean what you claim?
If you care to show us how the word "does" is null and void, please do so?
Are you telling us the verse only applies to certain non believers of the day? If so, then the Christians really need to stop using the scripture to prove we today are wrong or bad.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99529 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that mammals and reptiles wrap their embryos within these defenses makes them known as amniotes, which first evolved about 310 million years ago. The fossil record of amniotic eggs and embryos is paltry, leaving scientists little knowledge about when, how and why they evolved.
Scientists have typically assumed that egg-laying emerged before live birth in amniotes, since earlier creatures such as amphibians and fish are typically egg-layers. However, the earliest direct evidence of reproduction in amniotes to date is dominated by specimens that gave birth to live young
http://www.livescience.com/22437-earliest-mam...
lol...another question that continues to give question!!
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99530 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You post non sense with out ever showing proof and than ignore when some one post facts.
You are a troll with no credibility that uses different names to post the same crap
Proof of what? My own opinion? Really? Do you need a video recording?

And I believe I just appreciated a scientific link of interest as posted by poster Duquette.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99531 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You post non sense with out ever showing proof and than ignore when some one post facts.
You are a troll with no credibility that uses different names to post the same crap
and if yea on the vid-don't hold your breathe!

Some us have absolutely no interest in that either-and just do NOT evennnnnnnnn go there!!!

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