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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 138165 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99528 Apr 13, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
let us look at psalm 14 in it's entirety,not just the first verse. Read the 2nd verse,which you conveniently left out along with the subsequent verses,which give a full explanation,
The verses state that they do not seek God,as is the case with Atheists..All have turned away.
The fact that a person made have done one good thing,does not mean that he does or is good.
If that were the case,then we could consider Hitler as being a good man,Charles Manson as being a good man,Bin laden as being a good man,as I am sure that,at some point ,they must have done at least,one good thing..
The list of evil doers,that more than likely,did one good thing in their life,can go on and on.That does not make them good.
Therefore,the validity and truth of the Bible is maintained
Psalm 14
For the director of music. Of David.
1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
4 Do all these evildoers know nothing?
They devour my people as though eating bread;
they never call on the Lord.
5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous.
6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.
7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores his people,
let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
The bible does not say they are bad people, it says they have done no good. How can you twist this to mean what you claim?
If you care to show us how the word "does" is null and void, please do so?
Are you telling us the verse only applies to certain non believers of the day? If so, then the Christians really need to stop using the scripture to prove we today are wrong or bad.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99529 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that mammals and reptiles wrap their embryos within these defenses makes them known as amniotes, which first evolved about 310 million years ago. The fossil record of amniotic eggs and embryos is paltry, leaving scientists little knowledge about when, how and why they evolved.
Scientists have typically assumed that egg-laying emerged before live birth in amniotes, since earlier creatures such as amphibians and fish are typically egg-layers. However, the earliest direct evidence of reproduction in amniotes to date is dominated by specimens that gave birth to live young
http://www.livescience.com/22437-earliest-mam...
lol...another question that continues to give question!!
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99530 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You post non sense with out ever showing proof and than ignore when some one post facts.
You are a troll with no credibility that uses different names to post the same crap
Proof of what? My own opinion? Really? Do you need a video recording?

And I believe I just appreciated a scientific link of interest as posted by poster Duquette.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99531 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You post non sense with out ever showing proof and than ignore when some one post facts.
You are a troll with no credibility that uses different names to post the same crap
and if yea on the vid-don't hold your breathe!

Some us have absolutely no interest in that either-and just do NOT evennnnnnnnn go there!!!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99532 Apr 13, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
let us look at psalm 14 in it's entirety,not just the first verse. Read the 2nd verse,which you conveniently left out along with the subsequent verses,which give a full explanation,
The verses state that they do not seek God,as is the case with Atheists..All have turned away.
The fact that a person made have done one good thing,does not mean that he does or is good.
If that were the case,then we could consider Hitler as being a good man,Charles Manson as being a good man,Bin laden as being a good man,as I am sure that,at some point ,they must have done at least,one good thing..
The list of evil doers,that more than likely,did one good thing in their life,can go on and on.That does not make them good.
Therefore,the validity and truth of the Bible is maintained
Psalm 14
For the director of music. Of David.
1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
4 Do all these evildoers know nothing?
They devour my people as though eating bread;
they never call on the Lord.
5 But there they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous.
6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,
but the Lord is their refuge.
7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores his people,
let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
What I see in these verses is an excuse to kill the non believers, as the Christians often did back in the day. Thank goodness we do not follow the ways of theocracy as they did in biblical times.
The whole story of taking the supposed promised land is one of the likes of Hitler, Saddam, and Bin Laden. This passage only brings such ideas to the new testament.
It is a concept that breeds hate simply due to religious beliefs.
This passage is against the spirit of religious freedom. Religious freedom is one of America's founding principles.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#99533 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You are incorrect. Just because you haven't seen it does not mean it cannot happen. I went into great detail on here one time about a friend of mine whose son almost completely cut his ear off. Due to prayer and the power of the priesthood his ear was restored like new.
That's just one experience I have witnessed or have been a part of.
I call BS on this. I didn't see that post.

Are you saying that someone prayed over an ear and you WATCHED it miraculously heal? Because if that is not what you are saying then what makes you think prayer did ANYthing at all?

Studies show prayer does nothing. Multiple studies of high quality. So your bar for proving otherwise is much higher. What is your evidence?

To counter it, I could list the number of people who are dying of cancer and compare that to the number of people who claim to pray for people. The numbers won't look very good for prayer.

We all believe what we are compelled to believe. And we are free to do so. But when you make a claim about reality you are making a a claim about my world too. And I am not so easily fooled by confirmation bias and old wives tales.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#99534 Apr 13, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...another question that continues to give question!!
And that is how the world works. Why would you expect all the questions of the universe to ever be answered?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99535 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The bible does not say they are bad people, it says they have done no good. How can you twist this to mean what you claim?
If you care to show us how the word "does" is null and void, please do so?
Are you telling us the verse only applies to certain non believers of the day? If so, then the Christians really need to stop using the scripture to prove we today are wrong or bad.
I am not telling you anything.The information provived in the verses contains the answers to your question,which you,because of your unbelief,are unable to grasp.

What do you understand verse 2 to mean and what do you understand verses 3 and 4 to mean...

1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.


2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.


4 Do all these evildoers know nothing
They devour my people as though eating bread;
they never call on the Lord.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99536 Apr 13, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Or the injury was just a scratch that bled a lot and the bleeding stopped after a while and the blood was wiped off?
No both parents saw the severity beforehand.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99537 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So then why would the Jesus not write it down himself?
You say "everything" as if this is not a large issue. The words in red in the bible would only cover a half a page in a normal newpaper today. Are you telling me no one could write more than this?
Millions have suffered due to Christian homosexual discrimination. Convienient?
I don't know why He chose not to write anything Himself. I gave you my opinion. His choice must have been intentional because the only time He ever wrote was in the sand.
I wish things were more clear as well, which is why a church that claims to be a restoration of the gospel, and has a living prophet that can lead us in this day is so refreshing.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99538 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you equate teaching our children to doing everything for your children?
Writing a book is not "doing everything". I am not asking for full interaction. Full interaction would include actually talking to me in person. Far from writing a book in his own hand. You take giant leaps.
Just reasoning with you. All I can give you is my opinion. As I said, I don't know why He chose not to write everything down for us. I'm assuming He thought it more beneficial to lead by example. And He knew He was on limited time.
If He would have written everything down before performing the miracles that He did, no one would have cared. No one believed Him yet. And of course afterwards all the leaders of the church and Sanhedrin wanted Him dead. What would you have suggested He do differently with His brief time of teaching?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99539 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Are you claiming you personally witnessed this? You do not tell the story as if you were there.
I hear people making such claims yet never have a shread of evidence to back up the claim. Bloody clothes does not prove an ear was severed.
It was a friend of mine. He had no reason to lie to me. He was a very honest man. His wife was honest too. And his son was too small to lie about something like this.
No I wasn't there, but I have no reason to doubt.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99540 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Their is not one handwritten word in existance known to be from an apostle according to the biblical scholars I have read.
So why would it have been so hard to have a stenographer to write down the words of the god-man? Or better yet, why did the Jesus not simply write the important stuff down himself? I have yet to hear a single plausable answer.
If the Jesus was able to perform magical miracles, he could have produced books upon books written in many languages to prohibit confusion and misinterpretation.
Seeing as how we only have claimed hearsay writings, it looks more like unfounded claims.
Refer to my other post. When would He?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99541 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Hardly anyone can agree on what was written due to vaugeness and different writtings. Also problems exist due to the language translations. All this could have been twarted if the Jesus simply had wrote his views in his own hand and in various languages. A simple fix for a massive problem.
The Jesus could have left us a drop of his blood on each page for some DNA verification maybe.
What would you verify this DNA with?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99542 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that mammals and reptiles wrap their embryos within these defenses makes them known as amniotes, which first evolved about 310 million years ago. The fossil record of amniotic eggs and embryos is paltry, leaving scientists little knowledge about when, how and why they evolved.

Scientists have typically assumed that egg-laying emerged before live birth in amniotes, since earlier creatures such as amphibians and fish are typically egg-layers. However, the earliest direct evidence of reproduction in amniotes to date is dominated by specimens that gave birth to live young
http://www.livescience.com/22437-earliest-mam...
So there's no link there?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99543 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>What I see in these verses is an excuse to kill the non believers, as the Christians often did back in the day. Thank goodness we do not follow the ways of theocracy as they did in biblical times.
The whole story of taking the supposed promised land is one of the likes of Hitler, Saddam, and Bin Laden. This passage only brings such ideas to the new testament.
It is a concept that breeds hate simply due to religious beliefs.
This passage is against the spirit of religious freedom. Religious freedom is one of America's founding principles.
Well,since that is not what the verses mean,but that is what you claim to see,then you need to read MATT13 verses 14 and 15

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99544 Apr 13, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>I call BS on this. I didn't see that post.

Are you saying that someone prayed over an ear and you WATCHED it miraculously heal? Because if that is not what you are saying then what makes you think prayer did ANYthing at all?

Studies show prayer does nothing. Multiple studies of high quality. So your bar for proving otherwise is much higher. What is your evidence?

To counter it, I could list the number of people who are dying of cancer and compare that to the number of people who claim to pray for people. The numbers won't look very good for prayer.

We all believe what we are compelled to believe. And we are free to do so. But when you make a claim about reality you are making a a claim about my world too. And I am not so easily fooled by confirmation bias and old wives tales.
Of course you do. Just as you doubt anything that happened in the Bible. Anything short of Jesus Christ appearing before each individual to perform a miracle that could not have happened medically would not be enough for most people to believe. And even then people would question what they had seen. It's human nature.
This wasn't a claim, this happened to someone. It's not a theory.

And I have other stories that I was personally a witness to that have convinced me that prayer works. I have shared them on here before.
Bearsfan

Schofield, WI

#99545 Apr 13, 2013
I didn't read through all the comments, but I will say, I believe in the power of prayer. I was diagnosed with cancer almost 9 years ago. Things did not look good for me at all. I had many many people, friends and family praying for me, and I am cancer free today. I do not think all of it is due to medical science, I fully believe in divine intervention. I am convinced if not for all the prayers, I would not be here today. Even my Dr. was totally amazed.
TruthIs

East Bernstadt, KY

#99546 Apr 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And that is how the world works. Why would you expect all the questions of the universe to ever be answered?
I don't. Imagine having to do a job like that?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#99547 Apr 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
What would you verify this DNA with?
... It would not have a human Male DNA sequence and only have Female Human base pairs.... That is if the story is true.....

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