Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,123

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Nothing makes nothing

Morehead, KY

#99296 Apr 11, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>While I do not believe that there is a god or jesus.
It is evident that the god of the old testament not being acceptable to people a NEW god was created in your jesus.
If you dismiss the god part for a moment, if you believe that people should be kind and helpful to others, that evil is when some one harms another, i agree with you. But if, IF, it is about elevating yourself above others, defaming others just to elevate yourself, social status, controlling others than I am against you.
Fair enough?
Yes very fair.I agree.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99297 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
When WE,"believers",say it,it is based on the fact that,WE,have experienced it.Thereby,we are able to attest to it's validity.
Unbelievers,on the other hand,since they neither understand,nor know how Faith ans belief in God brings about the results and changes that we have experienced,are the least qualified to try and explain the basis for our beliefs.
You know nothing about the process,you understand nothing about the process,thereby you are totally unqualified to opine on something you knw nothing about
As has previously attested to, you are unqualified to determine my qualifications in such personal arenas as faith and belief. You are NOT as unique - or Special - as you would like to Believe. "On the other hand," specific observations can be and have been made of brain chemistry, physiology and activity in cases and feelings of religious experiences.

"You know nothing about the process,you understand nothing about the process,thereby you are totally unqualified to opine on something you knw nothing about"
That is a statement known as "false witnessing."
As always, I find myself needing to remind the Christian, MIND YOUR 9TH COMMANDMENT.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#99298 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
When WE,"believers",say it,it is based on the fact that,WE,have experienced it.Thereby,we are able to attest to it's validity.
Unbelievers,on the other hand,since they neither understand,nor know how Faith ans belief in God brings about the results and changes that we have experienced,are the least qualified to try and explain the basis for our beliefs.
You know nothing about the process,you understand nothing about the process,thereby you are totally unqualified to opine on something you knw nothing about
Do believe in the gift of tongues? What about laying on of hands gift healing?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99299 Apr 11, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why, for the love of sanity, do you keep trying to treat them as equals? They are not interchangeable, but your arguments are based on them being on equal footing.
<quoted text>
I am not treating Faith and Science as equals. My faith and belief in God is not based on a Scientific Experiment.
Science is incapable of providing answers to specific prayer requests
,My belief in God and my faith are able to and have done so. In no way,could science or a scientist be able to provide an answer to the SPECIFIC requests that I made to GOD,as there was no scientific solution to the problem I was addressing in my prayer.
Quote Spectacle wrote
Everything you just described exemplifies what I'm saying. It is not evidence. It's emotionally charged experiences. The fact that you don't understand everything that happens around you is no reason to inject magic. Good things happen sometimes, bad things happen sometimes, it's life. Sometimes things work out...sometimes they don't. We live in a very complex system. Even if you think you lead a simple life, you're exposed to enormous amount of external factors that can affect you (both positively and negatively) on a daily basis.
I also know that I can talk myself into things. It's relatively easy... especially over an extended period of time.(e.g., "I should buy a jet ski"). If it's something you want, your mind will find ways to reinforce the belief (e.g., "I'll feel younger if I owned a jet ski") sometimes to the point of absurdity. Couple this with our ability to pattern match (something that ensured our ancestor's survival) and you have a recipe for finding "proof" that really is just coincidence (or more complicated than you can process...which quickly goes into chaos vs. complexity theories that are way out of my mental grasp).
Yes,it is true ,good things happen and bad things happen....States that in the Bible,not necessarily in those same words.
But your explanation is missing a very serious point.
First of all,I was not praying for material things,I was praying for a resolution to problems that I was encountering in my life,for which,Science could not provide an answer and neither could I.
And not for lack of trying, I tried very hard to resolve those problems,to the point,that in some instances,drove me to tears.
To sit around,waiting for time to resolve the problem ,WAS NOT the solution.
Finally,in desperation,I decided to pray to a God that I really did not believe in,with the HOPE that,if he did exist,he would respond to my prayer
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99300 Apr 11, 2013
I went to a Catholic Church located a few blocks from where I lived
I was praying from 8;30AM to 9;00 am.
My prayer was very specific," God ,this is my problem,if you respond in this manner with a solutionr,I will believe in you"
That prayer was so specific as to include a time frame,which was,as soon as I walked out the door,I would receive a response.
When I walked out the door,the response was not there.That certainly was a disappointment and gave me no reason to believe in God.
It wasn't till later on that day,at 4;00pm that I received a phone call. The information provided me by the person who called,unbeknownst to her,provided me with the answer to my prayer.
Now,was my prayer answered at the time I had requested,,,,,Yes it was;
The lady who called me,informed me that she had called my home to provide me with this information at 9;00 am that morning,,precisely the time when I was leaving the church..
To go into all the details of this experience,would take time and you would still not believe me.
But ,I know the details,because I lived them.
How ever ,that experience did not cause my faith to blossom into fruition,but,it did arouse my curiosity. Subsequent events that I experienced ,which can not be explained by Science,caused my faith to grow.The bible states that God will test ypur faith in order to refine it.
As he tested me,and I looked to him for solutions,those solutions were provided,thereby my belief in God and my faith.
My faith,which you do not understand,is not an emotionally charged experience,as you claim.
Emotionally charged experiences do not have the power or ability to answer prayer,therby making your explanation ,null and void,with no facts to support your views.
Since you do not believe,then,you must try to explain the basis for my faith with an irrational explanation.
And, no.I don't feel persecuted,nor do I believe that you are persecuting me;
I have a very strong belief in God,you do not..
Therby ,we differ....
To you,my beliefs are a problem
To me,My belief in God and Jesus Christ,has proved to be an undescribeable source of joy

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99301 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you err;
your 2 previous allegations,you were unable to substantiate.
Your new allegation,that,I have argued in favor of the Bible being taught in public schools,is also wrong AND you provide no evidence to support that allegation.
I can only assume that,because of your inability to refute the basis for my faith,you need to resort to try and discredit me by attributing to me,things I never said.
That old deceptive strategy does not work.The Pharissees tried the same strategy with Jesus.
Jesus healed a blind man,whom.many witnesses knew to have been blind.The Pharissees,could not deny that Jesus had restored the sight of one blind from birth.So,they tried to discredit him by attributing his powers to sorcery and the devil,without providing any evidence to support those allegations.
Jesus never attributed his powers to sorcery or the devil,He claimed his powers came from the Father.
Now you are being stupid. I never said anything about your having faith, but what you have faith in is a fairy tale. Just like children having faith in Santa Claus.
Everything else you have said is from your book of fairy tales and does not prove that your fairy tales are real.
Nice try though.
And if you are not here supporting that the bible be taught in school than what is your point? To force your beliefs on to me? Just to argue?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#99302 Apr 11, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not the best excuses. I say again, why did the Jesus not write the words if his ideas were so complex? Why leave it to those who were so confused as you claim?
Would it matter if Jesus wrote it all down? Would translations to other languages be any better than what happened? Would the Council of Nicea get it right that way? Would man stop trying to interpret scripture to mean what is convenient for him at the time? I say Jesus did the right thing by not wasting His time writing everything in detail.
He taught in simple parables and people didn't get it. He proved His point that God's true gospel will seem out of place when compared to the secular world and old traditions that stemmed from greedy authorities.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99303 Apr 11, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
Do believe in the gift of tongues? What about laying on of hands gift healing?
I have never tested the validity of the Gift of Tongues or laying on of hands and gift of healing.
That is not the basis for my faith,
What I do believe in,I have previously postec
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99304 Apr 11, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Now you are being stupid. I never said anything about your having faith, but what you have faith in is a fairy tale. Just like children having faith in Santa Claus.
Everything else you have said is from your book of fairy tales and does not prove that your fairy tales are real.
Nice try though.
And if you are not here supporting that the bible be taught in school than what is your point? To force your beliefs on to me? Just to argue?
Nice try.You made 3 allegations about me Which you can not substantiate,as evidenced by your inability to provide supporting evidence to said allegations.
Thereby, that does not make you stupid,but it does make you devious and conniving.. You not only are unable to provide any evidence to support your invalid allegations,but have gotten off the beaten track.
Your response is based on emotional anger,unable to prove your point,you attempt to get me into a match of insults by calling me stupid.
I will forgive your ignorance....
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99305 Apr 11, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
So then we should follow anyone that talks to invisible people that hear voices in their heads that tell them to do stuff and get tingles down their legs.... I know where there is a building full full to the brim with such people, albeit they are kept lock into rooms with limited access to sharp objects....
I never asked you ,or anyone to follow me.You follow whom you believe in.
I never said I heard voices in my head,or tingles in my legs and claimed that to be the basis for my faith.
That version was created in your unreliable Evolutionist mind.
Neither do I believe,as you do,that nonintelligent and nonliving matter ,was able to convert itself,as if by magic, into living intelligent matter.
Since you know where that building is,you better call and make reservations for a room,before the guys in white jackets with nets hunt you down...

PS to those who post gibberish and nonsesnse,one must reply in kind
curious

Ocoee, FL

#99306 Apr 11, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
You'd like to think that wouldn't you? The problem with your post here...well, one problem with your post here is the fact that almost every "unbeliever" is a former "believer". So, we're very well qualified to opine on this subject.
No you are not,and let me tell you why;
When I use the word believer,I mean one who not only believes,but also trusts in God and Christ.
If belief in God were the sole criteria for being a Chritian,then the devil would be a Christian,for he also believes and knows that God exists,but refuses to yield to his authority.
I have known many so called Christians who believed in God,but when asked,do you trust in God,and if they adhere to Gog's word and follow his teachings,they begin to stammer.
So,yes,you may have previously beliewved in God,but,obviously did not adhere to his teachings.
since you did not adhere to his teachings,nor tested their validity,that makes you totally unqualified to voice an opinion on something you know nothing about.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99307 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.You made 3 allegations about me Which you can not substantiate,as evidenced by your inability to provide supporting evidence to said allegations.
Thereby, that does not make you stupid,but it does make you devious and conniving.. You not only are unable to provide any evidence to support your invalid allegations,but have gotten off the beaten track.
Your response is based on emotional anger,unable to prove your point,you attempt to get me into a match of insults by calling me stupid.
I will forgive your ignorance....
Ohhh because you say some thing it must be true. I have made no untrue statements about you. My reply was to the point and was correct.
Again, if you are not arguing for pushing your cult on children in school than what is your point of posting here?
You are just trolling for jesus?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99308 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
No you are not,and let me tell you why;
When I use the word believer,I mean one who not only believes,but also trusts in God and Christ.
If belief in God were the sole criteria for being a Chritian,then the devil would be a Christian,for he also believes and knows that God exists,but refuses to yield to his authority.
I have known many so called Christians who believed in God,but when asked,do you trust in God,and if they adhere to Gog's word and follow his teachings,they begin to stammer.
So,yes,you may have previously beliewved in God,but,obviously did not adhere to his teachings.
since you did not adhere to his teachings,nor tested their validity,that makes you totally unqualified to voice an opinion on something you know nothing about.
Side stepping the bible? You twist the bible around to suit your own agenda but the bible is still just a fairy tale. No more real than Santa Claus (how is YOUR faith any more real than a 4 year olds faith in Santa?)

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99309 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I never asked you ,or anyone to follow me.You follow whom you believe in.
I never said I heard voices in my head,or tingles in my legs and claimed that to be the basis for my faith.
That version was created in your unreliable Evolutionist mind.
Neither do I believe,as you do,that nonintelligent and nonliving matter ,was able to convert itself,as if by magic, into living intelligent matter.
Since you know where that building is,you better call and make reservations for a room,before the guys in white jackets with nets hunt you down...
PS to those who post gibberish and nonsesnse,one must reply in kind
You do know that your mommy lied to you about Santa Claus right? She also lied about jesus and god.
Sant/jesus about the same really
Do you think superman is real too? But Marval comics number 132 says he is real. It is written that superman will return (or was that batman?)
TruthIS

London, KY

#99310 Apr 11, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
I notice this God fearing Christian has a real affinity for calling people names. "Worm," "dirtbag," et al. Yeah, this is the sort of individual I would want teaching MY kids about the Bible - someone who claims they are tolerant and intelligent, yet is vicious and doesn't even comprehend the common usage of Anno Domini in the Gregorian calendar.
I wouldn't EVEN begin to hold myself(!) out to do such a task! Nor would I want any old anyone attempting to "teach" MY kids (with out my consent) any such thing even resembling, as well.

Why? Of my own expectations, and being of legal adult age, I would only wish to attend such a course, as taught by an actually accredited scholar, in the area of Theology. And I would expect nothing less tha n for my children as well.

(and once again, I did not write the Constitution, I just READ it, including the line that references the signing date as "in the year of our Lord....." etc etc., as the Founding Fathers saw fit to writ!)

Vicious?
Those are mild :-).
However, What you will NOT "hear/read" much of out of myself personally, are the rather blasphemous ignorants of disrespect of others "beliefs".
That's just beyond rude and ignorant, down the rungs to the bottom, at crude, lewd and socially unacceptable.
TruthIS

London, KY

#99311 Apr 11, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>
Most colleges have world religion classes, Maybe college aged boys and girls are too old for them?
Where'd you learn that? People are never too old to learn, now are they.
TruthIS

London, KY

#99312 Apr 11, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>This country was built on industry and personal rights/individual freedom. In no way was this country built on religion, in fact just the opposite as our fore fathers saw fit to protect us from the christian cult.
Actually, they saw fit to not let government interfere with religion.

Read Thomas Jeffersons letter to the Danbury Baptists.

Had the FF been as almighty wisdom filled as we sometimes speculate them to have been, they'd've implemented an income surtax right then and there.

The American budget DEFICIT might not be HALF as horrible as what it is right now.
TruthIS

London, KY

#99313 Apr 11, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Better yet why didn't an all knowing, all powerful God write all his rules down on some light weight indestructible non erasable or editable note pads....
Add sorry azz to my list of vicious names lol.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#99314 Apr 11, 2013
TruthIS wrote:
<quoted text>
Where'd you learn that? People are never too old to learn, now are they.
I mean that the christian cult likes young boys and girls. As we see in the news every day

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#99315 Apr 11, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I never asked you ,or anyone to follow me.You follow whom you believe in.
I never said I heard voices in my head,or tingles in my legs and claimed that to be the basis for my faith.
That version was created in your unreliable Evolutionist mind.
Neither do I believe,as you do,that nonintelligent and nonliving matter ,was able to convert itself,as if by magic, into living intelligent matter.
Since you know where that building is,you better call and make reservations for a room,before the guys in white jackets with nets hunt you down...
PS to those who post gibberish and nonsesnse,one must reply in kind
here's the difference... I understand what you say and can rationally, logically call it for what it is Delusional Mind Set... You on the other hand do not understand the concepts presented due to that same delusional mind set so it seems gibberish and nonsensical... It's part of the delusional process that they design medications for....

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