Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#98813 Apr 6, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Sure thing, glad you asked.

So if you are asking me literally what I now about God the answer is nothing. I don't believe in God, never seen a God, and since there is no record of anyone else ever seeing a God I can't really answer the question. If God exists then he either only shares information about himself with people privately and never allows himself to be observed or verified or he is absolutely outside of our reality.

Now, if you are asking me about my personal experience and knowledge about religion I do have some. I got saved when I was a lad and it was a terrifying experience. I spent a few years worrying about Hell then went through a short Jesus phase. Then all of that stuff quickly started to fall away and by the time I was 35 I was calling myself an atheist. I don't think I ever really believed. Some atheists did believe very strongly before losing their faith. I never did. I could never get past certain problems with religion.

For example, I could not accept that God is good and that he sends people to Hell. It made no sense to me even as a teenager. As I got older I started to expand that thought and I realized that a world in which kids can suffer painfully and die is not a world in which a loving God exists.

End of story for me.

But I have a really strong interest in religious beliefs, skepticism, and science. So I am fairly well versed in the various religions. Particularly the Christian sects since that is my heritage.

Now, if I was going to look for God I really have no idea how I'd go about doing that. I'm a naturalist. I don't do the whole praying thing and I don't do faith. If God doesn't have the common decency to leave me some overt and unambiguous evidence that he in fact does exist then I have no real way to ever find him. And it strikes me as a little dubious that he would create me with a rational mind that he knows will seek evidence, then provide me with no evidence.

Test of faith? Without some kind of firm evidence which faith am I to accept as the true one? Billions of people accept faiths other than Christianity with just as much passion and sincerity. How do I know they aren't the true ones?

There is no way to test for God. It is a magical idea that is not in the domain of nature and therefore outside of science. It is purely a matter of faith, not reason.

And that is why ideas such as Creationism are always rejected by science. They are also based on faith, not reason. Science is a product of reason. Faith is not in the recipe.
If you truly seek out God, you will find Him. The first step is admitting that there could be a creator. The second step is reaching out to Him while sincerely believing that if there is a God, you will receive some response that you know was outside yourself. Keep trying until your skepticism turns to hope. Then you will find God.
And if you aggressively search for what church you should join, you will be led to it.
Nothing will be handed to you on a silver platter. You will have to work for it. That's the point. He wants you to put forth all of your effort, and then He takes it from there.
Try this and you will surely find God.

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#98814 Apr 6, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Sidestep questions much? Killing to survive is different than a god demanding you kill for pleasure. But the question is why would your god need man to kill animals for blood ritual sacrifice???
He asked that they give Him their best sheep (or whatever animal) in similitude of the sacrifice that He would make with His own Son.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98815 Apr 6, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
GWB,My point is that,the theory of Evolution has been refuted.
To me,it is not valid,My belief in God,based on my Personal experiences,has convinced me that GOD DOES EXIST.,as I stated in a posting to SPECTACLES...Which,if you are interested in reading,should be about 4 or 5 posts before this one...
You have a blessed day
You lie like a christian. Evolution has not been refuted.
So your brain chemistry gives you a "high" when you get a religious fever now that is proof of your god ROTFLMFAO at you. You are a special kind of stupid arn't you. Here, let me misspell a word to make you feel better, dog
little women

Morehead, KY

#98816 Apr 6, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Sidestep questions much? Killing to survive is different than a god demanding you kill for pleasure. But the question is why would your god need man to kill animals for blood ritual sacrifice???
This in the King James bible Jeremiah chapter 7 veres 21 -23 - God did NOT tell them to sacrifice animals 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98817 Apr 6, 2013
little women wrote:
This in the King James bible Jeremiah chapter 7 veres 21 -23 - God did NOT tell them to sacrifice animals 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
Hebrews 9:22
22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and fwithout the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98818 Apr 6, 2013
right wrote:
<quoted text>
This coming from a man who thinks his family-tree consists of a bunch of Apes !
Since it has been stated many times that we did not come from apes, rather we share a common ancestor with apes the fact that you keep trying to twist it around after you have been corrected so many times says more about you that us.
Your religion is so weak that you have to lie and keep coming back to non sense after you have been corrected.
Proof that you do not really believe in your god

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98819 Apr 6, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me ask you a question,What do YOU know about GOD?
And,if you wanted to know if he existed or not,
How would you go about it?
And whatever method you chose,Why would you choose that particular method?
When you answer those questions,then I will be glad to have that discussion with you. That way .it will be a 2 sided discussion
Fair Enough?
I know that the god you are speaking of (one of over 2000 Gods ) was created by the Jewish people to elevate themselves above others and to justify their stealing, murder, perversion, hate.
I know that modern day christians have created another god that is totally different from their former god.
I know everything that I need to know and that is your god does not exist.
No one can KNOW about something that is not real.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98820 Apr 6, 2013
little women wrote:
<quoted text>
What book are you getting your information on evolution from that is over a billion or even a million years old? Answer none. So for scientist to determine that something is a billion years old is preposterous.Evidence -there is nothing to compare it with. Just saying something is that old is not a scientific fact,where is the actual fossil,or etc. to compare the actual age with. The Bible actually tells of things happening thousands & thousands of years ago.(not just 2 thousand ,that was the time of which our lord Jesus came ). You are misinformed and confused,but no surprise,evolution has only been around a few hundred years or less. Evolution gives comfort to the feeble minded who fear death-thinking if they rule out god,they rule out hell . Some christians do not believe in hell either,but believe that the grave is hell,since they are forever separated from God.
Marval comics. Hey it is just as legitimate as your book

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98821 Apr 6, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
He asked that they give Him their best sheep (or whatever animal) in similitude of the sacrifice that He would make with His own Son.
Best answer so far and you did not try to twist things around. YOU may be the only christian here that truly believes in your god.
While we disagree I do respect that.
little women

Morehead, KY

#98822 Apr 6, 2013
Hosea-C 5 v 6: For I desired mercy ,and not sacrifice;and the knowledge of god more than burnt offerings .
sin

Sheridan, AR

#98823 Apr 6, 2013
little women wrote:
Hosea-C 5 v 6: For I desired mercy.
...I think my grandmaw drove one of those too.
little women

Morehead, KY

#98824 Apr 6, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Sidestep questions much? Killing to survive is different than a god demanding you kill for pleasure. But the question is why would your god need man to kill animals for blood ritual sacrifice???
God hates killing :
Isaiah chapter 11
<< Isaiah 11 >>
King James Bible

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
little women

Morehead, KY

#98825 Apr 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Um... because the theory of evolution does not state man evolved from apes.... The Only people that say that don't know what the theory says and only know what religious idiots say it says....
Human evolution
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"Evolution of Man" redirects here. For the album by Example, see The Evolution of Man.
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Evolutionary biology

Human evolution refers to the evolutionary process leading up to the appearance of modern humans. While it began with the last common ancestor of all life, the topic usually covers only the evolutionary history of primates, in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of hominids (or "great apes"). The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics.[1]
According to genetic studies, primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous period, and the earliest fossils appear in the Paleocene, around 55 million years ago.[2] The family Hominidae diverged from the Hylobatidae (Gibbon) family 15-20 million years ago, and around 14 million years ago, the Ponginae (orangutans), diverged from the Hominidae family.[3] Bipedalism is the basic adaption of the Hominin line, and the earliest bipedal Hominin is considered to be either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin, with Ardipithecus, a full bipedal, coming somewhat later. The gorilla and chimpanzee diverged around the same time, about 4-6 million years ago, and either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin may be our last shared ancestor with them. The early bipedals eventually evolved into the australopithecines and later the genus Homo.
The earliest documented members of the genus Homo are Homo habilis which evolved around 2.3 million years ago; the earliest species for which there is positive evidence of use of stone tools. The brains of these early hominins were about the same size as that of a chimpanzee. During the next million years a process of encephalization began, and with the arrival of Homo erectus in the fossil record, cranial capacity had doubled to 850 cm3.[4] Homo erectus and Homo ergaster were the first of the hominina to leave Africa, and these species spread through Africa, Asia, and Europe between 1.3 to 1.8 million years ago. It is believed that these species were the first to use fire and complex tools. According to the Recent African Ancestry theory, modern humans evolved in Africa possibly from Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis or Homo antecessor and migrated out of the continent some 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, replacing local populations of Homo erectus, Homo denisova, Homo floresiensis and Homo neanderthalensis.[5][6][7][8][ 9]
Archaic Homo sapiens, the forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.[10][11] Recent DNA evidence suggests that several haplotypes of Neanderthal origin are present among all non-African populations, and Neanderthals and other hominids, such as Denisova hominin may have contributed up to 6% of their genome to present-day humans.[12][13][14] Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago.[15] The transition to behavioral modernity with the development of symbolic culture, language, and specialized lithic technology happened around 50,000 years ago according to many anthropologists[16] although some suggest a gradual change in behavior over a longer time span.[
Bugs Bunny

Morehead, KY

#98826 Apr 6, 2013
dats all folks.looks like Little women proved humans come from apes.goodnight to all humans and apes (of course who believes in evolution? I do not.

Since: Aug 08

Haizman's brain Is calling.

#98827 Apr 6, 2013
Bugs Bunny wrote:
dats all folks.looks like Little women proved humans come from apes.goodnight to all humans and apes (of course who believes in evolution? I do not.
How's the Wife doing?
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Ashland, KY

#98828 Apr 6, 2013
right wrote:
<quoted text>
No of course not-I am being silly. Sorry. Just trying to show how stupid it is to believe in evolution and coming from Apes. Yet none of the posters who uphold evolution will say that their ancestors were apes. Wonder WHY NOT ? I believe I was made in the image of God(which is my faith,though I do not go to church as much as I should ) Their faith says they came from apes ,so why not agree that their family tree has indeed apes .
Sorry, I misunderstood. I also BELIEVE I was CREATED in the image of God! I have joined this thread several different times (with time in between) & this thread has turned into a discussion that doesn't even pertain to the ACTUAL STORY written! There are those who use this thread just to be mean, nasty, & down right disrespectful! I have said that I respectfully bowed out before, but this time I really mean it! God's Word tells us NOT to partake in foolishness, whether in rage or laughter, for you will have no rest. I thank God for reminding me again & for His forgiveness & for being ever so FAITHFUL, even when @ times that I'm not! Thank you LORD, in Jesus' Name! AMEN
Before all you UNBELIEVERS trash me, this is MY belief & right to post no matter how you believe. I also believe in the POWER of PRAYER, so, I'll be praying that God will open your hearts & minds to Him before it's everlasting TOO LATE! This is also my RIGHT to do so.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#98831 Apr 7, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Open and intense debate is the basis of science and yes we have disagreed on the issue of consensus on the whole global warming thing but here is a little dig to show why consensus on issues are the bane of good science.... https://plus.google.com/photos/11043992667178...
And must I add... told ya so, told ya so, told ya so.....
That's funny, Q. Cherry picked quotes. And one of them is from a think tank DEVOTED to destroying AGW. How does that one fit into the theme of "they're changing their tune"? I would not accept that one on the face of it, especially in a AGW denier jpg.

Also, please understand I am not married to AGW. I am not well schooled on that topic so all I can really do is give my conditional trust to what the majority of scientists tell me. I've read some of it, it makes sense, I'm ok with it.

But you more than most people on this thread should be aware that science is always always ALWAYS *conditional* and subject to change. This topic of AGW is a young idea and in a frenzy of debate. I think that you are correct in saying there is a sort of quasi-religion surrounding "green". But I think it is also true that the push back comes from the quasi-religious idea of magical Free Market Capitalism with it's mystical Invisible Hand. The push back is all about protecting the market, and that has its own high priests and clergy.

Can we not agree that this is young science, still debated, subject to massive changes over the next decades? I'm happy to accept that some of its ideas are or might be wrong. That is what I love about science. It can be wrong. But I am not willing to reject it outright because some libertarians think they should have no limits. I will reject it outright when it is proven false and people smarter than me are convinced it is false.

Know what I mean?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#98832 Apr 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If you truly seek out God, you will find Him. The first step is admitting that there could be a creator. The second step is reaching out to Him while sincerely believing that if there is a God, you will receive some response that you know was outside yourself. Keep trying until your skepticism turns to hope. Then you will find God.
And if you aggressively search for what church you should join, you will be led to it.
Nothing will be handed to you on a silver platter. You will have to work for it. That's the point. He wants you to put forth all of your effort, and then He takes it from there.
Try this and you will surely find God.
I appreciate your thoughts and I know you mean well. But I am not seeking a god. I'm comfortable with the world being natural and since that is where reason leads me, that's where I go. I have no interest in picking a fairy tale to make me sleep better at night.

I sleep well. I am happy. And I have lots of hope for the future. Why would I want to ruin all of that by shackling myself to a misogynistic death cult obsessed with a tortured dead man and warped by the notion that they are all born diseased?

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#98833 Apr 7, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Best answer so far and you did not try to twist things around. YOU may be the only christian here that truly believes in your god.
While we disagree I do respect that.
Thanks

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#98834 Apr 7, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate your thoughts and I know you mean well. But I am not seeking a god. I'm comfortable with the world being natural and since that is where reason leads me, that's where I go. I have no interest in picking a fairy tale to make me sleep better at night.

I sleep well. I am happy. And I have lots of hope for the future. Why would I want to ruin all of that by shackling myself to a misogynistic death cult obsessed with a tortured dead man and warped by the notion that they are all born diseased?
I understand. You asked, so I answered.
I know I can't hand you the faith that I have. It's something each individual must seek out.

I realize you feel happy now, but if you ever find yourself wondering what really happens after you die, I hope you take my advice. This life is temporary, we all know that for sure. I choose to believe that the path I have chosen will provide happiness even after this life.
The tortured dead man you so harshly speak of, I believe to be the man that made it possible for happiness to continue after this temporal life. Though I don't expect you to believe in Him, please don't disrespect what you don't fully understand.
I apologize for some of His followers that get caught up in their own pride and give you a bad impression of Him. The only thing I can say, is don't judge Jesus Christ by His followers.

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