Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,030

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Shall We Dance

Elkhorn City, KY

#98682 Apr 5, 2013
How many of you actually read the article? Judging by most of the comments, very few. This thread is about introducing legislature of an Elective Bible course, There are Bible classes already in SOME SCHOOLS. What a curve ball, going from a proposed bill being introduced to Non-Believer to Believer which side are you on thread!

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

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#98683 Apr 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
How does this not require the same amount of faith to believe since no one can explain the "along the way" part?
How could a specie go from laying eggs to giving birth? What does that transition look like? There's not much of a middle ground there for it to be a combination of the two.
Because all along the way we have Evidence , 10's of 1000's if not Millions of pieces of Evidence.... Do we have all the possible gaps filled in, no, but when we get a new piece of evidence we actually get to Test the Theory and see if the Predictions made by the theory is validated by the new evidence (Which it has been 1000's of time) or modify the theory accordingly.... Now Tomorrow if Evidence was found that was Repeatable, Verifiable that could stand up to open and candid debate that disproved the existing theories altogether then we would have to come up with a Better Explanation of the existing evidence and the new evidence... For an Example if Tomorrow a UFO landed and a short fellow with a big head stepped out and gave us a batch of Evidence that his folks had dropped in long ago and implanted Life, that could do it... But At No Time is Faith required...

A good example of this finding evidence to validate the theory is Birds being the evolutionary result of some dinosaurs surviving the impact 65 million years ago... That was a Theory years ago, was even considered when I was a kid... after years we found some dino's had wish bones... after a while longer we found some dinos had hollow bones... after a while longer we found dinos with feathers.... after a while we found dinos with wings and tails and teeth and feathers... And any stage we could have found a Robin from 100 million years ago that would have ended that theory altogether but all we find is Evidence that more and more validates the theory that one line at least of dinos evolved into birds.. No Faith required...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#98684 Apr 5, 2013
Oh and as for the laying eggs and giving live birth you are looking to far ahead.. That Specialization evolved far back in time... it's would go from laying soft shelled eggs in the sea as we swim about and having a lot of them eaten to where a few minor changes from some environmental or genetic mutation cause a critter to hatch the soft egg inside and that species passed along that trait .. over time more critters of that species lives that hatched the egg inside than those that laid the egg.. By the time assorted critters climbed out of the sea some species laid eggs and some didn't... We come from the line that didn't .. Dinos (Birds) and Reptiles continued to lay eggs but the amphibians had evolved into several genetic lines... Some laid eggs with soft shells some laid eggs in water and some hatched the eggs inside and gave birth to little critters... Later on the evolutionary jumps allowed some critters to very quickly fill gaps left after catastrophes ... It's called punctuated evolution.. when a major catastrophe happens and most life is wipe out species quickly change to fit the assorted niches in the environment until they become stable and change very little until the next catastrophe and then whats left is forced by to change to fit the niches..... Now everything that I just told you we have found Evidence for... we have found fossils of animals and plants going back Billions of years not just Millions... We have them from when they were Only microbial live forms before plants and animals diverged, we have plants and animals from the pre Cambrian epoch, we have plants and animals from the Cambrian explosion and every epoch after and in each one we see a great dying of as much as 90% of all life with a quick species divergence then a slow evolutionary change over millions of years... If you really wanted too you can do the work of studying what we do and do not know and even spend years in the field learning what we actually do know for fact and what we theorize based on the evidence we have found... All it take is a quest for Evidence and set aside all concepts of Belief or Faith...
Me

Winchester, KY

#98685 Apr 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Because all along the way we have Evidence , 10's of 1000's if not Millions of pieces of Evidence.... Do we have all the possible gaps filled in, no, but when we get a new piece of evidence we actually get to Test the Theory and see if the Predictions made by the theory is validated by the new evidence (Which it has been 1000's of time) or modify the theory accordingly.... Now Tomorrow if Evidence was found that was Repeatable, Verifiable that could stand up to open and candid debate that disproved the existing theories altogether then we would have to come up with a Better Explanation of the existing evidence and the new evidence... For an Example if Tomorrow a UFO landed and a short fellow with a big head stepped out and gave us a batch of Evidence that his folks had dropped in long ago and implanted Life, that could do it... But At No Time is Faith required...

A good example of this finding evidence to validate the theory is Birds being the evolutionary result of some dinosaurs surviving the impact 65 million years ago... That was a Theory years ago, was even considered when I was a kid... after years we found some dino's had wish bones... after a while longer we found some dinos had hollow bones... after a while longer we found dinos with feathers.... after a while we found dinos with wings and tails and teeth and feathers... And any stage we could have found a Robin from 100 million years ago that would have ended that theory altogether but all we find is Evidence that more and more validates the theory that one line at least of dinos evolved into birds.. No Faith required...
Theory, But, If, and Millions of years ago is all I hear, Never concrete evidence of anything.

Dinosaurs turning into Robins but you question someone's faith, I guess you think Global Warming and Aliens are real to. Lol Seems to me you drunk the Kool Aid and want others to have a drink.

Miracles and unexplained really happen everyday. Faith Required..
Me

Winchester, KY

#98686 Apr 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
Oh and as for the laying eggs and giving live birth you are looking to far ahead.. That Specialization evolved far back in time... it's would go from laying soft shelled eggs in the sea as we swim about and having a lot of them eaten to where a few minor changes from some environmental or genetic mutation cause a critter to hatch the soft egg inside and that species passed along that trait .. over time more critters of that species lives that hatched the egg inside than those that laid the egg.. By the time assorted critters climbed out of the sea some species laid eggs and some didn't... We come from the line that didn't .. Dinos (Birds) and Reptiles continued to lay eggs but the amphibians had evolved into several genetic lines... Some laid eggs with soft shells some laid eggs in water and some hatched the eggs inside and gave birth to little critters... Later on the evolutionary jumps allowed some critters to very quickly fill gaps left after catastrophes ... It's called punctuated evolution.. when a major catastrophe happens and most life is wipe out species quickly change to fit the assorted niches in the environment until they become stable and change very little until the next catastrophe and then whats left is forced by to change to fit the niches..... Now everything that I just told you we have found Evidence for... we have found fossils of animals and plants going back Billions of years not just Millions... We have them from when they were Only microbial live forms before plants and animals diverged, we have plants and animals from the pre Cambrian epoch, we have plants and animals from the Cambrian explosion and every epoch after and in each one we see a great dying of as much as 90% of all life with a quick species divergence then a slow evolutionary change over millions of years... If you really wanted too you can do the work of studying what we do and do not know and even spend years in the field learning what we actually do know for fact and what we theorize based on the evidence we have found... All it take is a quest for Evidence and set aside all concepts of Belief or Faith...
Mutation does this mean that the Ninja Turtles could be real. Lol are using google for this crap. Every post you write a book.
I haven't looked on here since December and nothing has changed someone post and you have to comment like you hold the evolution knowledge of the world lol.
Let me set aside my beliefs and faith for a moment and say that your full of it.
If you would spend as much time reading the bible as you do writing this crap you might would learn something new. Instead of how old something is on earth when you don't know where it came from to begin with.

Since: Aug 10

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#98687 Apr 6, 2013
Shall We Dance wrote:
How many of you actually read the article? Judging by most of the comments, very few. This thread is about introducing legislature of an Elective Bible course, There are Bible classes already in SOME SCHOOLS. What a curve ball, going from a proposed bill being introduced to Non-Believer to Believer which side are you on thread!
The topic "evolved"

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98688 Apr 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Because all along the way we have Evidence , 10's of 1000's if not Millions of pieces of Evidence.... Do we have all the possible gaps filled in, no, but when we get a new piece of evidence we actually get to Test the Theory and see if the Predictions made by the theory is validated by the new evidence (Which it has been 1000's of time) or modify the theory accordingly.... Now Tomorrow if Evidence was found that was Repeatable, Verifiable that could stand up to open and candid debate that disproved the existing theories altogether then we would have to come up with a Better Explanation of the existing evidence and the new evidence... For an Example if Tomorrow a UFO landed and a short fellow with a big head stepped out and gave us a batch of Evidence that his folks had dropped in long ago and implanted Life, that could do it... But At No Time is Faith required...

A good example of this finding evidence to validate the theory is Birds being the evolutionary result of some dinosaurs surviving the impact 65 million years ago... That was a Theory years ago, was even considered when I was a kid... after years we found some dino's had wish bones... after a while longer we found some dinos had hollow bones... after a while longer we found dinos with feathers.... after a while we found dinos with wings and tails and teeth and feathers... And any stage we could have found a Robin from 100 million years ago that would have ended that theory altogether but all we find is Evidence that more and more validates the theory that one line at least of dinos evolved into birds.. No Faith required...
What about eggs to birth like I asked? What does the middle of that evolution look like?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98689 Apr 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
Oh and as for the laying eggs and giving live birth you are looking to far ahead.. That Specialization evolved far back in time... it's would go from laying soft shelled eggs in the sea as we swim about and having a lot of them eaten to where a few minor changes from some environmental or genetic mutation cause a critter to hatch the soft egg inside and that species passed along that trait .. over time more critters of that species lives that hatched the egg inside than those that laid the egg.. By the time assorted critters climbed out of the sea some species laid eggs and some didn't... We come from the line that didn't .. Dinos (Birds) and Reptiles continued to lay eggs but the amphibians had evolved into several genetic lines... Some laid eggs with soft shells some laid eggs in water and some hatched the eggs inside and gave birth to little critters... Later on the evolutionary jumps allowed some critters to very quickly fill gaps left after catastrophes ... It's called punctuated evolution.. when a major catastrophe happens and most life is wipe out species quickly change to fit the assorted niches in the environment until they become stable and change very little until the next catastrophe and then whats left is forced by to change to fit the niches..... Now everything that I just told you we have found Evidence for... we have found fossils of animals and plants going back Billions of years not just Millions... We have them from when they were Only microbial live forms before plants and animals diverged, we have plants and animals from the pre Cambrian epoch, we have plants and animals from the Cambrian explosion and every epoch after and in each one we see a great dying of as much as 90% of all life with a quick species divergence then a slow evolutionary change over millions of years... If you really wanted too you can do the work of studying what we do and do not know and even spend years in the field learning what we actually do know for fact and what we theorize based on the evidence we have found... All it take is a quest for Evidence and set aside all concepts of Belief or Faith...
Still don't see how egg slowly evolves to live birth. That seems like a one or the other scenario to me
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#98691 Apr 6, 2013
curious wrote:
Evolution is nothing more that Extreme Science Fiction
Those who do not believe in God and believe in the scientific theory of evolution would believe that,
Unliving and unintelligent matter can ,over a period of billions of years,evolve into a living intelligent being,able to reproduce after it's own kind.
Let us analyze that procedure and apply it to the human species;
According to evolution,certain elements came together,devoid of intelligence or life and were somehow,able to assemble themselves ,over a period of billions of years,into a living being,previously non existent.
Without any guidance or blueprint to follow,this process called evolution,was able to create an amazingly sophisticated and complex machine,hereto fore unknown.
Question,How did that happen?How did this process know what was needed in order to create a living human,that this human would need a heart,a brain,a liver etc. and create within itself HALF of the necessary elements needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.We call this,MAN.
Now,apart and Independent of this MAN,we would have to have,these same identical elements,over a period of billions of years,create an almost identical being called woman,which would have most of the same characteristics of man,a heart,a brain,liver etc,and create within itself the other HALF of necessary elements needed to create additional human beings of both sexes,But,how did this unintelligent process know to create separate beings of different sexes and provide them with the necessary parts so there would be a continuation of the species.
Science CAN NOT explain that process,has no idea how it occurred,but yet,insists that their theory is accurate. That is not Science,that is Science Fiction of the highest degree.
Thereby my belief that a far superior intelligence than we possess, created us,that superior intelligence is what I refer to as GOD.
Meanwhile,those who do not believe in this superior intelligence,attempt to disprove God's Existence,
the foundation of their argument,that unintelligent and unliving matter,was somehow,able to transform itself into living intelligent matter,in the form of a human being,a process they can neither explain,provide any evidence that this event happened,nor have any idea as to how it occurred,
Therefore,they are willimg to believe that we were not created by a Supernatural being with a far superior intellect than humans possess,but were instead created by an unintelligent,unliving source that evolved over billions of years..
Great post!
Of course you know what they will say.... LOL
God Bless :-)
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#98692 Apr 6, 2013
excuse me wrote:
<quoted text>
Some skeptics may think that a 15- to 40-year gap between the life of Christ and the writings about him is too wide for the testimony to be reliable. But they are mistaken.
Think about events that occurred 15 to 40 years ago. When historians write about those events, we don’t say,“Oh, that’s impossible! No one can remember events from that long ago! Such skepticism is clearly unwarranted. Historians today write accurately about events in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s by consulting their own memories, those of other eyewitnesses, and any written sources from the time.
This process is the same one the New Testament writers used to record their documents. Like a good reporter, Luke interviewed eyewitnesses.{9} And as we’ll see in the next chapter, some New Testament writers were eyewitnesses themselves. They could remember 15- to 40-year-old events quite easily, just as you can. Why can you remember certain events vividly from 15 to 40 years ago and (if you’re old enough) even further back? You may be able to remember certain events because they made a great emotional impact on you.(In fact, those of us who are “over the hill” can remember some events from 30 years ago better than those from 30 minutes ago!)
Where were you and what were you doing when President Kennedy was assassinated? When the Challenger exploded? When the second plane hit the tower? Why can you remember those events so well? Because they made a deep emotional impact on you. Since an event like the Resurrection certainly would have made a deep emotional impact on the New Testament writers and the other eyewitnesses they may have consulted, it’s easy to see why the history of Jesus could be easily recalled many years later, especially in a culture with an established reliance on oral testimony
Furthermore, if the major works of the New Testament are eyewitness accounts written within two generations of the events, then they are not likely to be legend. Why? Because historical research indicates that a myth cannot begin to crowd out historical facts while the eyewitnesses are still alive. For this reason, Roman historian A. N. Sherwin-White calls the mythological view of the New Testament “unbelievable”.{10} William Lane Craig writes,“The tests show that even two generations is too short to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical fact.”{11} Inside of those two generation, eyewitnesses are still around to correct the errors of historical revisionists.
We are seeing this tendency right now with regard to the Holocaust. In early twenty-first century, we’ve begun to see some people claim that the Holocaust never happened. Why are the revisionists trying this now? Because most of the eyewitnesses have now died. Fortunately, since we have written eyewitness testimony from the Holocaust, the revisionists are not successful in passing off their lies as the truth. The same holds true for the New Testament. If the New Testament was written within 60 years of the events it records, it is highly unlikely those events could be legendary. And as we have seen, all of the New Testament documents were written within 60 years of the events, and many much earlier.
Another Great post!
Wrong again Sparky

Winchester, KY

#98693 Apr 6, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
Being bombarded with news stories full of hate from the christian cult over any one and every one who does not blindly follow their beliefs, hearing christians sqay "not with my money" when it comes to helping some one, seeing christians condemn people for being poor and suck up to the wealthy I forget that there ARE good people who would do anything they can to help some one in need, people who are kind and not self righteous.
My post are directed towards the people who are hate filled and use religion to justify that hate, towards the people who use "god" to elevate themselves above others.
BUT I state that the kind person would be the same person with or with out any "god"
You are more hate filled than any Christian I know... Hypocrite much?
Wrong again Sparky

Winchester, KY

#98694 Apr 6, 2013
that guy wrote:
<quoted text>
...so you really believe that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!..But He loves you.
No!
I do not believe in an "Invisible man" living in the sky...
I believe in a Creator spirit living in the spirit world, an
alternate universe if you will!
He knows your heart, what is in it...
If your posting against Him just to be nasty... He knows that,
and you deserve what you asked for...
If your posting out of ignorance... you might get a pass!
See People that want to do evil... get what they sow!
That is why we post...
Been there, done that, seen the error in it...
seen the truth!
God is real, and we want you safe!
Yet... you (atheists/satanists) post with hate, calling
Evil good, and good evil...
having darkness in your hearts!
Wrong again Sparky

Winchester, KY

#98695 Apr 6, 2013
that guy wrote:
Jesus' last words on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" hardly seem like the words of a man who planned it that way. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure there is something wrong here.
Receiving God's Wrath for OUR sins... He also had the receive God's absence, darkness without God...
After knowing God... being separated from Him... would be hell!
Thank You Jesus... I don't want that... ever!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98696 Apr 6, 2013
Shall We Dance wrote:
How many of you actually read the article? Judging by most of the comments, very few. This thread is about introducing legislature of an Elective Bible course, There are Bible classes already in SOME SCHOOLS. What a curve ball, going from a proposed bill being introduced to Non-Believer to Believer which side are you on thread!
All of the posters that have been on this thread awhile have read the article. Certainly, the Bible has had a significant impact on world culture and history. However, the issue of teaching the Bible in school
WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF SPREADING THE WORD OF GOD
is what keeps being brought in by newcomers and some of the more zealous Christians. Countering these posters is what might lead you believe that Q, SP, LiaS, WitW, et al are unfamiliar with the proposed legislation.
Wrong again Sparky

Winchester, KY

#98697 Apr 6, 2013
that guy wrote:
Prayer has no place in the public schools, just like facts have no place in organized religion
See?
More hate filled speech... towards Christ!
You don't seem to speak out about dedicated Prayer rooms
for Muslim children in OUR schools... do ya?
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#98698 Apr 6, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Pardon me for being sarcastic,but,your response,or lack of,still does not explain how this event took place...
Fact is that SCIENCE HAS BEEN UNABLE TO RECREATE this process and have admitted their inability to do so.
I am assuming that the reason you can not explain it in any way that I am willing to understand,is due to the fact that you would not be able to support your explanation with factual evidence.
Your explanation would be comprised solely of your opinion,for which you can provide no evidence...
If you can,then,do so
LOL...
Hundreds of Billions of generations of bacteria grown over the course of science history, and NONE ever crawled out of a dish, and went to school... Still Bacteria... Gee, if Eviltuion was true, you'd expect something to happen!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98699 Apr 6, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
GRRRREAT Post and greatly appreciated'
You have finally answered the question that I have been posing and which no one on this website had been able to answer....LOL
That wan't an answer, it was just agreement with what you are WILLING to understand.
Wrong again Sparky

Winchester, KY

#98700 Apr 6, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
This is hilarious. You reject all of the evidence because it's not complete and replace it with something that has no evidence.
How is that a logical decision?
Yes! it is hilarious how you want to say something is possible when Science says it's 128^10 Against proteins for DNA
to Magically come together...
God is real!
Get to know Him... You'll be glad you did!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98701 Apr 6, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Preprogrammedsubliminalrobotzo mbiepusher say whut?
Fox/Beck/Itsallbushesfault/lim baugh/googoo blather, regugitate parrotpeabrain repeat......
Fox, Beck, Bush - are those televangelists? I suppose you were an avid attendee of Hinn's services when he was at Faith World? I think you got smacked in the head a couple too many times.
Wrong again Sparky

Winchester, KY

#98702 Apr 6, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>It did not need to be created it has always been.(just like you say about your god)
This has been discussed many times in this thread, you keep beating it because that is the only response that you have.
It did not get "created" out of nothing. There has always been energy, there has always been life. PROVE that I am wrong
Yet...
Your science says it had a starting point... the big bang...
You are wrong, and you prove the Bible true!
Thanks again!

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