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#98788 Apr 6, 2013
This in the King James bible Jeremiah chapter 7 veres 21 -23 - God did NOT tell them to sacrifice animals 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
“Question, Explore, Discover”
Since: Dec 11
#98789 Apr 6, 2013
No doubt we agree on this. Science is the *best* tool we have to navigate this universe. I'd argue it is the only one that can do the trick. And I'd argue that science is the inevitable toolkit that comes out of the application of reason.
Here's something interesting, Q. You and I have some pretty big disagreements on certain ideas, such as the value of scientific consensus. Right? Now, we can discuss this disagreement rationally and make excellent points about it. We can have a reasoned debate and offer evidence to support our positions.
But if we were Christians of different faiths what would we argue about? The nature of sin? Once saved, always saved? Meaningless mental masturbation. I could just make up my own church, interpret the Bible how I wanted to, and I'd be on pretty much the same intellectual ground as anyone else when it comes down to pure faith.
I mean, what evidence can you possibly provide to support the argument that you are going to live forever when you die?
Since: Aug 10
#98790 Apr 6, 2013
Now this is interesting, thanks!
Now I have to think of a way to casually slip "transgenerational epigenetic inheritance phenomena" into a conversation.
#98791 Apr 6, 2013
Call it what you want.To me,my personal experiences have all the validity I need for ME to believe in God. They are not based on someone else's opinions,or theories based on unobservable events that supposedly occurred billions of years ago,to which no one can attest to.
If you want to assume that nonliving matter,spontaneously came to life and by using suppositions,factually unexplainable and that through this process a marvelously made human species managed to emerge,that is your prerogative.
That,I can only describe as
Man,in his search for knowledge and wisdom,has attained unto foolishness
#98792 Apr 6, 2013
This coming from a man who thinks his family-tree consists of a bunch of Apes !
#98793 Apr 6, 2013
YUP? close enough to your grandpa's ughughhhh-proven fact you are truly a descendant of the Ape family. I posted your family tree of ape to man on the Morehead Topix photos.Go look. I'll give you a banana if you do.
#98794 Apr 6, 2013
No one should make fun or speak against people who believe in evolution. Studies have shown that certain people have memories (under hypnosis ) that prove they are descendants of Apes. These people were around before man was created in God's image.So today we have both types of people. One can easily spot those who descended from Apes,though they have almost normal IQ they tend to stand with shoulders dropped forward, have longer arms,and shorter legs. If messed with to the extent to provoke ,they will climb and swing from trees . So sorry if i offended any .
#98795 Apr 6, 2013
Religious beliefs disprove each other using the same book. Why is that, if you are so sure you have the truth of mans existence?
You want eternal life and not be tortured by God. I understand that. If that helps you be a good law abiding citizen that's a good thing. You may never become a great scientist or great at anything but you can still try.
Science would like to prove if a God exists yet they cannot, you cannot prove it either. I do understand your fear of losing your belief. I'm still waiting for some christian to raise a dead person from the grave so scientist can witness, test and verify if God exists.
No, God cannot grow limbs on amputees, science will one day and you will say God did it.
#98796 Apr 6, 2013
Let me ask you a question,What do YOU know about GOD?
And,if you wanted to know if he existed or not,
How would you go about it?
And whatever method you chose,Why would you choose that particular method?
When you answer those questions,then I will be glad to have that discussion with you. That way .it will be a 2 sided discussion
#98797 Apr 6, 2013
Can't complain :-). Glad you had a nice holiday!!!
(dunno on the frog thing though-kinda have the same issue lol)
“I'll think about it.”
Since: Nov 07
#98798 Apr 6, 2013
128^10 you say? Hmmm.
That just happens to also be the odds of someone like YOU existing.
And yet....here you are.
#98800 Apr 6, 2013
What book are you getting your information on evolution from that is over a billion or even a million years old? Answer none. So for scientist to determine that something is a billion years old is preposterous.Evidence -there is nothing to compare it with. Just saying something is that old is not a scientific fact,where is the actual fossil,or etc. to compare the actual age with. The Bible actually tells of things happening thousands & thousands of years ago.(not just 2 thousand ,that was the time of which our lord Jesus came ). You are misinformed and confused,but no surprise,evolution has only been around a few hundred years or less. Evolution gives comfort to the feeble minded who fear death-thinking if they rule out god,they rule out hell . Some christians do not believe in hell either,but believe that the grave is hell,since they are forever separated from God.
#98801 Apr 6, 2013
Are you for REAL?
“Question, Explore, Discover”
Since: Dec 11
#98802 Apr 6, 2013
Sure thing, glad you asked.
So if you are asking me literally what I now about God the answer is nothing. I don't believe in God, never seen a God, and since there is no record of anyone else ever seeing a God I can't really answer the question. If God exists then he either only shares information about himself with people privately and never allows himself to be observed or verified or he is absolutely outside of our reality.
Now, if you are asking me about my personal experience and knowledge about religion I do have some. I got saved when I was a lad and it was a terrifying experience. I spent a few years worrying about Hell then went through a short Jesus phase. Then all of that stuff quickly started to fall away and by the time I was 35 I was calling myself an atheist. I don't think I ever really believed. Some atheists did believe very strongly before losing their faith. I never did. I could never get past certain problems with religion.
For example, I could not accept that God is good and that he sends people to Hell. It made no sense to me even as a teenager. As I got older I started to expand that thought and I realized that a world in which kids can suffer painfully and die is not a world in which a loving God exists.
End of story for me.
But I have a really strong interest in religious beliefs, skepticism, and science. So I am fairly well versed in the various religions. Particularly the Christian sects since that is my heritage.
Now, if I was going to look for God I really have no idea how I'd go about doing that. I'm a naturalist. I don't do the whole praying thing and I don't do faith. If God doesn't have the common decency to leave me some overt and unambiguous evidence that he in fact does exist then I have no real way to ever find him. And it strikes me as a little dubious that he would create me with a rational mind that he knows will seek evidence, then provide me with no evidence.
Test of faith? Without some kind of firm evidence which faith am I to accept as the true one? Billions of people accept faiths other than Christianity with just as much passion and sincerity. How do I know they aren't the true ones?
There is no way to test for God. It is a magical idea that is not in the domain of nature and therefore outside of science. It is purely a matter of faith, not reason.
And that is why ideas such as Creationism are always rejected by science. They are also based on faith, not reason. Science is a product of reason. Faith is not in the recipe.
#98803 Apr 6, 2013
Here is something else that is not original but no evolutionist can answer: Which came first the Chicken or the egg?
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Since: Dec 11
#98804 Apr 6, 2013
Young Earth Creationists believe the Earth is 6000 years old, give or take. They arrived at this number by adding up the "begats" in the Jewish Bible.
Science comes up with dates from thousands or billions of years ago by a whole series of dating techniques. They measure the decay rates of radioactive isotopes, check the composition of a rock or fossil, then do the math on how long ago that rock or fossil must have come into being. Here's a link to a page that explains a lot of dating methods.
And here's a list of various methods used:
Radiometric Dating Methods
Obsidian Hydration Dating
Luminescence Dating Methods
Amino Acid Racemization
Oxidizable Carbon Ratio
Electron Spin Resonance
Cosmic-ray Exposure Dating
And if you cross check these different lines of evidence they tend to confirm each other. In other words, using one method might get you a date of 1.2 billion years. Another method might get you 1.4. Another might get you 1.25. See the pattern? So when it comes to these really ancient dates the best you can do is get relatively close.
I mean seriously. If this isn't enough evidence for the accuracy of scientific dating methods then you are not a person who is capable of accepting evidence.
#98805 Apr 6, 2013
Well,you have said a mouthful,based on your feelings and emotions.
I have given my reasons for my faith,which you automatically discarded and without any basis in fact,you claim that my faith is based on fear of being tortured by God and wanting eternal life.
I never said that I could prove the exitence of God,What I said is that GOD proved his existence to me by answering specific prayers that only he and I knew about.
Now,there is natural evidence that God exists,the Universe,stars,our planet,inhabited by the most sophisticated machine( life form known to man....the human species,among others.
But,many reject this evidence and attribute this immense creation
to some accidental explosion that they can not explain based on facts and then theorize how life came into existence through an evolutionary proces. The problem with that is that,they cannot EXPLAIN how life came into being,because they don't know it occurred
They can not explain how nonliving nonintelligent matter was able to spontaneously come to lihe and create the human species,amomg others.
Does science try to prove the existence of God?Science will never prove the existence of God by using man constructed criteria.
The natural can not prove the supernatural.
Not to be repetitve,God has clearly stated how one may come to know him; If you seek me diligently,you will find me.
To unbelievers that is foolishness,but not to those who believe,have tested his word and found it to be true
What is wisdom to God ,is foolishness to the Godless
What is wisdom to the Godless,is foolishness to GOD
Therefore, Intheir search for widom and knowledge,the Godless have attained unto foolishness.
I don't know that man will someday,be able to grow limbs on amputees,could it happen,yes.This would come about as the result of an intelligent being figuring out the process on how this could be achieved...
It would not come about as a result of nonliving nonintelligent matter spontaneously creating that limb.Or would you believe that is possible? and if so,explain how.
“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”
Since: Jan 10
#98806 Apr 6, 2013
Open and intense debate is the basis of science and yes we have disagreed on the issue of consensus on the whole global warming thing but here is a little dig to show why consensus on issues are the bane of good science.... https://plus.google.com/photos/11043992667178...
And must I add... told ya so, told ya so, told ya so.....
#98807 Apr 6, 2013
Why judge as clueless ,when this what the bible says Read it-or do you prefer that god likes sacrifices ?
#98808 Apr 6, 2013
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