Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,161

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#98650 Apr 5, 2013
GWB wrote:
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That's a good link, I will stick out my neck and say that curious is a JW just by the way he/she post questions and reading from their life book that you can buy on amazon for $2.00 (go figure).
JW's think they will be demonized by reading any material or than what the watchtower permits, but some of them will look and start to question their beliefs.
The atheists debating here are contributing to a good cause debunking false information presented by creationist arguments. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, we do what we can. I think we all share a viewpoint that it's better to make decisions based on data and rational thought as opposed to superstition. Ultimately, the more people who think rationally the likelier you'll have a society that behaves rationally...and that benefits everyone.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98651 Apr 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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Your response totally ignores my question,so let us try again.
Let me start with an irrefutable fact.Simply put
When the sperm from a man,fertilizes the egg of a woman a human will be formed.The information contained in the egg and the sperm will determine the color of the eyes,hair,whether male or female etc.
We do know that both are needed for conception to take place.
Question is,Who and how determined this process?
Now my question,which you failed to answer
According to Evolutionists
Unliving and unintelligent matter can ,over a period of billions of years,evolved into a living intelligent being,able to reproduce after it's own kind.
Let us analyze that procedure and apply it to the human species;
According to evolution,certain elements came together,devoid of intelligence or life and were somehow,able to assemble themselves ,over a period of billions of years,into a living being,previously non existent.
Without any guidance or blueprint to follow,this process called evolution,was able to create an amazingly sophisticated and complex machine,hereto fore unknown.
QUESTION,How did that happen?How did this process know what was needed in order to create a living human,that this human would need a heart,a brain,a liver etc. and create within itself HALF of the necessary elements needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.We call this,MAN.
NOW,apart and Independent of this MAN,we would have to have,these same identical elements,over a period of billions of years,create an almost identical being called Woman,which would have most of the same characteristics of man,a heart,a brain,liver etc,and create within itself the other HALF of the necessary elements needed to create additional human beings of both sexes
,But,how did this unintelligent process know to create separate beings of different sexes and provide them with the necessary parts so there would be a continuation of the species?
That is the question to which I am seeking an answer, which Science is unable to provide.
Can you,or can you not,provide me with the process that took place for these events to occur?
Who or how determines this process? There is no who going around controlling pregnancy and genetics. How? Read a biology book (if you can grasp simple complexes that is)

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98652 Apr 5, 2013
@curious, you are not smart enough nor slick enough to con people. Your tactics may work on innocent children but everything you post is like this "there are two colors, red and green so god is real" (when in fact there are millions of colors)
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98653 Apr 5, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Spare me the niceties. I'm just (STILL) holding you to substantiate your statement that Satan tells people to kill.
Mind your 9th commandment.
What?

Now you've gone off to the twisted and distorted.

(and I always try to keep in mind all TEN of them)
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98654 Apr 5, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Uh-huh. Google televangelist and get back with us on that.
Preprogrammedsubliminalrobotzo mbiepusher say whut?

Fox/Beck/Itsallbushesfault/lim baugh/googoo blather, regugitate parrotpeabrain repeat......
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98655 Apr 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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My point exactly
Posted while bobble-heading no doubt too lol

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#98656 Apr 5, 2013
We cannot blame others-including our parents-or- whoever for what they have done or are doing to us. We have the potential to transplant ourselves into positive environments.

People who try to whittle you down are only trying to reduce you to their size.

If others are trying to whittle you down today, get away. Find a new place to put down roots.

LUKE 6:22,23 (KJV)

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98657 Apr 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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You wrote" To answer your questions, you need to be willing to look at all domains of life, not merely the mammalian clade"
I fail to see how that answers my question;
"Chromosomes contain the SET OF INSTRUCTIONS to create an organism. Men have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, the latter being responsible for the characteristics that make men male, including the male sexual organs and the ability to produce sperm. In contrast, women have two copies of the X chromosome. But, because the X chromosome carries a bigger instruction manual than the Y chromosome, biology's solution is to largely inactivate one X chromosome in females, giving one functional copy of the X in both men and women.
So,one needs the chromosones from both,men and women,in order to create a new organism.That is a fact.
So you need both sets of chromosomes,from the female and from the male, in order to create an organism.
Evolution would have us believe that MAN,evolved and somehow,was able to develop this chromosome that provides us with half of the very complex formula needed to create a new organism.
This formula is unknown to Evolutionists,they can neither explain it or duplicate it.
Apart from that,you need the chromosomes from a woman,
in order for this process"creation of a new organism" to take place.
So now,we need for a woman to evolve in such a manner that her chromosomes,when combined with those of the man ,is able to create an organism after it's own species.
So,according to evolutionists,man evolved into a living being,by coincidence,not by design.
Apart from that,woman,also by coincidence,evolved into a living being,with a complex brain,eyes,heart,liver and other vital organs,needed in order to come to life,same organs needed by man,not only that,but also woman had to have the other half of the formula needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.
So,one is to believe that this all occurred by coincidence,by a series of events that are unexplainable...
No matterhow much or what you study,Evolution nor science can explain this process.
Nonliving and nonintelligent matter is unable to evolve into the living ,intelligent and complex being that we know as the human race.
Science nor evolution,nor you or Satanic Priest nor quantum mist is able to explain or duplicate this process. To merely claim that IT Happened,but we don't know how it happened,does not answer the question
If,you can explain to me how to separate entities of the human species,man and woman,were able to evolve into compatible partners in order to insure the continuation of the species,let me know
Are you stuck on the idea that because Genesis doesn't mention eukaryotes that humans are the ONLY form of life worth considering? Why do you think I specified order and clade?
Flatworms are rudimentary compared to humans, yet they exchange DNA - and there are organisms even simpler than flatworms which do so.
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/biology/...

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98658 Apr 5, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Are you stuck on the idea that because Genesis doesn't mention eukaryotes that humans are the ONLY form of life worth considering? Why do you think I specified order and clade?
Flatworms are rudimentary compared to humans, yet they exchange DNA - and there are organisms even simpler than flatworms which do so.
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/biology/...
We call them christians
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Ashland, KY

#98659 Apr 5, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Really? You want to FORCE your beliefs on to innocent children as fact and you cry because you do not get the respect you think that you deserve?
You are getting the respect that you do deserve.
First, I'm NOT CRYING! I'm thanking someone for being Respectful whether agreeing or disagreeing. As for my beliefs, I CHOOSE to believe in God & His Word, you do not! That is your right & my right to believe. Also, I DO NOT FORCE my beliefs on anyone, if I do anything, it is SHARE my beliefs. You are one of the ones that show NO RESPECT when you disagree or do not like what is being posted!
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Ashland, KY

#98660 Apr 5, 2013
agree wrote:
Give it up folks,neither side will be convinced of any idea but their on. Move on.
So very true! Well said!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98661 Apr 5, 2013
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC wrote:
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First, I'm NOT CRYING! I'm thanking someone for being Respectful whether agreeing or disagreeing. As for my beliefs, I CHOOSE to believe in God & His Word, you do not! That is your right & my right to believe. Also, I DO NOT FORCE my beliefs on anyone, if I do anything, it is SHARE my beliefs. You are one of the ones that show NO RESPECT when you disagree or do not like what is being posted!
So you would not want to force innocent children to read the bible (being taught as fact) in public schools?
And disagreeing with you is not disrespectful, not allowing you to tell lies is not disrespectful, and laughing at you when you say absurd things is just funny
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Ashland, KY

#98662 Apr 5, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>So you would not want to force innocent children to read the bible (being taught as fact) in public schools?
And disagreeing with you is not disrespectful, not allowing you to tell lies is not disrespectful, and laughing at you when you say absurd things is just funny
You are even funnier! Read the WHOLE story. It's not about FORCING anyone to learn the Bible, it's about allowing The Bible as an ELECTIVE Course in High School. I believe if a student @ that age would like to study The Bible, it's not for you or anyone else that doesn't like the Bible to say they do not have the right to do so! Maybe they would come from a home like yours & only hear what your thoughts are on the Bible & might want to know why you think as you do & learn for their self. I didn't say disagreeing with me was disrespectful, I said replies don't have to be disrespectful when disagreeing!
curious

Ocoee, FL

#98663 Apr 5, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Who or how determines this process? There is no who going around controlling pregnancy and genetics. How? Read a biology book (if you can grasp simple complexes that is)
Since you are unable to explain how the male species was able to create itself,or how the female species was able to create itself and then,independently and without prior knowledge of how one or the other is constructed,somehow,were able to develop a process by which they'the male and female"would be able to insure the continuation of the human species,which occurs when the chromosoms of the male fertilizes the chrosomes"egg'' of the female.
The reason you,or anyone else can not explain it is because that is not how we came into BEING.
So then,you are left with 2 choices,admit that you do not know how it happened or respond with an answer that has NO relationship whatsoever with the question being posed.Obviously you opted for the second choice...
Since you are unable to answer my question,there is no further need to continue this debate
curious

Ocoee, FL

#98664 Apr 5, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Again you not understanding what you copy and paste is the crux of the problem... That is Not a Fact... There are men born with 2 X, women born with 1 Y and several variations on the theme... and in several Living Organisms Males can Convert to Female and vice versa... I can change if some animals are Male or Female simple by changing the ambient temperature during gestation... Some species reproduce by a sexuality and their offspring are exact copies of themselves... Some species can form reproductions of themselves by simply breaking up into assorted body parts...
In your response to what I posted,you conveniently deleted the partthat contained the question which you are unable to answer and instead answered a question which I have not asked;
Here is the part you deleted
"So,one needs the chromosones from both,men and women,in order to create a new organism.That is a fact.
So you need both sets of chromosomes,from the female and from the male, in order to create an organism.
Evolution would have us believe that MAN,evolved and somehow,was able to develop this chromosome that provides us with half of the very complex formula needed to create a new organism.
This formula is unknown to Evolutionists,they can neither explain it or duplicate it.
Apart from that,you need the chromosomes from a woman,
in order for this process"creation of a new organism" to take place.
So now,we need for a woman to evolve in such a manner that her chromosomes,when combined with those of the man ,is able to create an organism after it's own species.
So,according to evolutionists,man evolved into a living being,by coincidence,not by design.
Apart from that,woman,also by coincidence,evolved into a living being,with a complex brain,eyes,heart,liver and other vital organs,needed in order to come to life,same organs needed by man,not only that,but also woman had to have the other half of the formula needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.
So,one is to believe that this all occurred by coincidence,by a series of events that are unexplainable...
No matterhow much or what you study,Evolution nor science can explain this process.
Nonliving and nonintelligent matter is unable to evolve into the living ,intelligent and complex being that we know as the human race.
Science nor evolution,nor you or Satanic Priest nor quantum mist is able to explain or duplicate this process. To merely claim that IT Happened,but we don't know how it happened,does not answer the question
If,you can explain to me how to separate entities of the human species,man and woman,were able to evolve into compatible partners in order to insure the continuation of the species,let me know
PS..The above written,contains the basis for my question,which you are not able answer and deleted that portion when responding to what I posted.One must conclude that this is an attempt to avoid the question,as if it had not been asked and giving a response to a question that has not been asked,THEn claiming that,YOU answered the question
Since you are not able to answer the question I posed and are doing everything possible not to answer it,then,there is no further need to continue this discussion.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#98665 Apr 5, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
@curious, you are not smart enough nor slick enough to con people. Your tactics may work on innocent children but everything you post is like this "there are two colors, red and green so god is real" (when in fact there are millions of colors)
It is amazing,you claim that man was not created by God,because,according to you there is no God.
When challenged on your beliefs as to how humans came into existence,how life came into being,you are unable to respond in a manner that makes sense supported by facts.
The fact that you are not able to respond,leads you to make the unsubstantiated allegation that I am attempting to con you..
To which I respond;
A fool is known by his lack of wisdom"

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98666 Apr 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
In your response to what I posted,you conveniently deleted the partthat contained the question which you are unable to answer and instead answered a question which I have not asked;
Here is the part you deleted
"So,one needs the chromosones from both,men and women,in order to create a new organism.That is a fact.
So you need both sets of chromosomes,from the female and from the male, in order to create an organism.
Evolution would have us believe that MAN,evolved and somehow,was able to develop this chromosome that provides us with half of the very complex formula needed to create a new organism.
I snipped repetitive drivel... No One does Not need chromosomes from the female and from the Male to create a new organism... Humans Do because we Evolved to reproduce that way over Billions of years, that variation of reproduction evolved before Humans were walking on 4 legs... Long before Humans moved onto land from the sea... But the Statement "So,one needs the chromosones from both,men and women,in order to create a new organism.That is a fact." That is Not Fact in All Organisms... Many Organisms retained the ability to reproduce without Male or Females.... Humans (actually all Vertebrates) Evolved billions of years ago to reproduce using genetic material from another of it's species... Some laid eggs, some gave live births .. Then along the way Mammals evolved to give live birth and maintain gender specific genetics... Some of our ancestor vertebrates retained the ability to be male or female dependent on populations and environment...

So to Make it Simple because I have No Doubt you didn't understand what I wrote ... The Statement "So,one needs the chromosomes from both,men and women,in order to create a new organism.That is a fact." Is Not True for all Organisms...
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Ashland, KY

#98667 Apr 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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It is amazing,you claim that man was not created by God,because,according to you there is no God.
When challenged on your beliefs as to how humans came into existence,how life came into being,you are unable to respond in a manner that makes sense supported by facts.
The fact that you are not able to respond,leads you to make the unsubstantiated allegation that I am attempting to con you..
To which I respond;
A fool is known by his lack of wisdom"
Amen! Proverbs 12:23 A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness. Proverbs 29:9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.
I have FAITH in God's Word & follow It to the best of my ability, therefore, I will no longer respond to shear foolishness. Having said this, I believe I should bow out of this thread. I would SURELY rather PLEASE GOD than man!

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98669 Apr 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
It is amazing,you claim that man was not created by God,because,according to you there is no God.
When challenged on your beliefs as to how humans came into existence,how life came into being,you are unable to respond in a manner that makes sense supported by facts.
The fact that you are not able to respond,leads you to make the unsubstantiated allegation that I am attempting to con you..
To which I respond;
A fool is known by his lack of wisdom"
He made perfect sense.. Just because you do not have the mental ability to understand does not make what he stated wrong...
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98670 Apr 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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Since you are unable to explain how the male species was able to create itself,or how the female species was able to create itself and then,independently and without prior knowledge of how one or the other is constructed,somehow,were able to develop a process by which they'the male and female"would be able to insure the continuation of the human species,which occurs when the chromosoms of the male fertilizes the chrosomes"egg'' of the female.
The reason you,or anyone else can not explain it is because that is not how we came into BEING.
So then,you are left with 2 choices,admit that you do not know how it happened or respond with an answer that has NO relationship whatsoever with the question being posed.Obviously you opted for the second choice...
Since you are unable to answer my question,there is no further need to continue this debate
Thats because the Athiest or Non Believer use an amazing technique I refer to as "Drop, Defer, and Delete when all else fails"

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