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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142335 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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LOL

Morehead, KY

#98567 Apr 4, 2013
Correction - You showed them
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98568 Apr 4, 2013
By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time. Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Evolutionists admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 followed by 113 zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe! Mathematicians dismiss as never taking place anything that has a probability of occurring of less than 1 in 1050. But far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life. Some 2,000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 in 1040,000!“If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court,” says astronomer Fred Hoyle.
On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws. In other words, they have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.“Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,” writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.
A most intriguing fact about these laws, however, is that in them there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist. Among these fundamental constants are the unit of electric charge on the proton, the masses of certain fundamental particles, and Newton’s universal constant of gravitation, commonly denoted by the letter G. On this, Professor Davies continues:“Even minute variations in the values of some of them would drastically alter the appearance of the Universe. For example, Freeman Dyson has pointed out that if the force between nucleons (protons and neutrons) were only a few per cent stronger, the Universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the Sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life, at least as we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in G would turn all stars into blue giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life.” Thus, Davies concludes:“In this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible Universe. If that is so, it is a remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic.”
What can we deduce from all of this? First of all, if the universe is governed by laws, then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who formulated or established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved. Design and purpose—these are not characteristics of blind chance; they are precisely what an intelligent Creator would manifest. And that is just what the Bible indicates when it declares:“What may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.”—Romans 1:19, 20; Isaiah 45:18; Jeremiah 10:12.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98569 Apr 4, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you and satanic priest appear to be well versed in Science,
I would appreciate your scientific explanation for something I posted earlier,,Which is as follows.
Evolution is nothing more that Extreme Science Fiction
Those who do not believe in God and believe in the scientific theory of evolution would believe that,
Unliving and unintelligent matter can ,over a period of billions of years,evolved into a living intelligent being,able to reproduce after it's own kind.
Let us analyze that procedure and apply it to the human species;
According to evolution,certain elements came together,devoid of intelligence or life and were somehow,able to assemble themselves ,over a period of billions of years,into a living being,previously non existent.
Without any guidance or blueprint to follow,this process called evolution,was able to create an amazingly sophisticated and complex machine,hereto fore unknown.
Question,How did that happen?How did this process know what was needed in order to create a living human,that this human would need a heart,a brain,a liver etc. and create within itself HALF of the necessary elements needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.We call this,MAN.
Now,apart and Independent of this MAN,we would have to have,these same identical elements,over a period of billions of years,create an almost identical being called woman,which would have most of the same characteristics of man,a heart,a brain,liver etc,and create within itself the other HALF of necessary elements needed to create additional human beings of both sexes,But,how did this unintelligent process know to create separate beings of different sexes and provide them with the necessary parts so there would be a continuation of the species.
(Snipped)
Therefore,they are willimg to believe that we were not created by a Supernatural being with a far superior intellect than humans possess,but were instead created by an unintelligent,unliving source that evolved over billions of years.
You seem to have just confusion because you try to throw 16 Billion years into a Poof it just happened mind set. 16 Billion or so years ago Some Energy converted into Matter. over billions of years ever more complex forms of matter self assembled. Gravity caused it to compress to a point it became so compressed it started a nuclear reaction and burned then Gravity made it collapse and then explode.. Each time New Elements and Compounds are formed including Organic Compounds that are found today throughout the Universe where ever we look... Every Meteor has organic molecules in it, Every Asteroid is made of water and many carbon based organic molecules. We have even found Amino Acids in objects in space.

Now Forget all the last several Billion years since earth formed and just consider the First Proto Life form. a Simple set of Amino Acids that through electrical pulses, UV light and Millions of years reproduced itself. If you duplicate those condition of early earth you get a organic compound with every compound that makes what we now call Alive.

So the Question becomes Simple. What is Life. Is a Base Virus Life? Is a Bacterium Life? is a Crystal that uses materials around it to grow and reproduce itself Alive. Once you have a simple 2 or 3 organic compound that reproduces then that answers the question about Human Kind and the assorted evolutionary steps... And all along the way from Billions of years ago until today we find Evidence of that evolutionary path from the proto bacterium that formed mats and produced All the Oxygen you breath today to life Blooms after each catastrophe that left just a few forms to quickly fill the environment....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98570 Apr 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time. Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Over 16 Billion years it's not only Likely it's Inevitable....
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98571 Apr 4, 2013
Answer me this: Using Your theory of Evolution and Creation, Explain to me how the human eye emerged.
Are we to assume that "matter" bumping around in a trial and error process produced such a complex and sophisticated design as the human eye?
just here

London, KY

#98572 Apr 4, 2013
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98573 Apr 4, 2013
By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time. Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Evolutionists admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 followed by 113 zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe! Mathematicians dismiss as never taking place anything that has a probability of occurring of less than 1 followed by 50 zeros. But far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life. Some 2,000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 followed by 40,000 zeros!“If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court,” says astronomer Fred Hoyle.
On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws. In other words, they have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.“Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,” writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.
A most intriguing fact about these laws, however, is that in them there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist. Among these fundamental constants are the unit of electric charge on the proton, the masses of certain fundamental particles, and Newton’s universal constant of gravitation, commonly denoted by the letter G. On this, Professor Davies continues:“Even minute variations in the values of some of them would drastically alter the appearance of the Universe. For example, Freeman Dyson has pointed out that if the force between nucleons (protons and neutrons) were only a few per cent stronger, the Universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the Sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life, at least as we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in G would turn all stars into blue giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life.” Thus, Davies concludes:“In this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible Universe. If that is so, it is a remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic.”
What can we deduce from all of this? First of all, if the universe is governed by laws, then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who formulated or established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98574 Apr 4, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Over 16 Billion years it's not only Likely it's Inevitable....
What can we deduce from all of this? First of all, if the universe is governed by laws, then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who formulated or established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved. Design and purpose—THESE ARE NOT CHARACTERISTICS OF BLIND CHANCE; they are precisely what an intelligent Creator would manifest. And that is just what the Bible indicates when it declares:“What may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.”—Romans 1:19, 20; Isaiah 45:18; Jeremiah 10:12.
ONLY A CLOSED MIND COULD REJECT THIS!
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Ashland, KY

#98575 Apr 4, 2013
that guy wrote:
God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?
NOT!! You CHOSE to be an atheist & not believe in God. This is your right, but, please don't blame God for your choices. The question isn't whether to "question God's wisdom", but rather to question YOUR wisdom of God!
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98576 Apr 4, 2013
A mind made up of "Horsey Puckey Doo Doo"-Q
just here

London, KY

#98577 Apr 4, 2013
Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 (trees come before Adam)
Genesis 2:4-9 (trees came after Adam)
Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 (birds created before Adam)
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 (birds created after Adam)
Genesis 1:24-27 (animals created before Adam)
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 (animals created after Adam)
Genesis 1:26-27 (Adam and Eve created at the same time)
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 (Adam created first, woman later)

...they even failed in creationism!
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98578 Apr 4, 2013
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT!! You CHOSE to be an atheist & not believe in God. This is your right, but, please don't blame God for your choices. The question isn't whether to "question God's wisdom", but rather to question YOUR wisdom of God!
A really good point! You put it all in a nut shell with just a few words!
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98579 Apr 4, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Over 16 Billion years it's not only Likely it's Inevitable....
Evolutionists may need billions of years to make people believe a rock can turn into a rocket scientist, but that still wouldn't be enough time!
agree

Morehead, KY

#98580 Apr 4, 2013
QUOTE who="Known Fact"]By Chance or by Design?
dismiss as never taking place anything that has a probability of occurrinIf there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time. Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Evolutionists admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 followed by 113 zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe! Mathematicians g of less than 1 in 1050. But far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life. Some 2,000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 in 1040,000!“If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court,” says astronomer Fred Hoyle.
On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws. In other words, they have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.“Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,” writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.
A most intriguing fact about these laws, however, is that in them there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist. Among these fundamental constants are the unit of electric charge on the proton, the masses of certain fundamental particles, and Newton’s universal constant of gravitation, commonly denoted by the letter G. On this, Professor Davies continues:“Even minute variations in the values of some of them would drastically alter the appearance of the Universe. For example, Freeman Dyson has pointed out that if the force between nucleons (protons and neutrons) were only a few per cent stronger, the Universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the Sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life, at least as we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in G would turn all stars into blue giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life.” Thus, Davies concludes:“In this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible Universe. If that is so, it is a remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic.”
What can we deduce from all of this? First of all, if the universe is governed by laws, then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who formulated or established the laws.

Best post yet and most accurate .good job !
just here

London, KY

#98582 Apr 4, 2013
“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).” - Richard Dawkins
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98583 Apr 4, 2013
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT!! You CHOSE to be an atheist & not believe in God. This is your right, but, please don't blame God for your choices. The question isn't whether to "question God's wisdom", but rather to question YOUR wisdom of God!
Well Said!
agree

Morehead, KY

#98584 Apr 4, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to have just confusion because you try to throw 16 Billion years into a Poof it just happened mind set. 16 Billion or so years ago Some Energy converted into Matter. over billions of years ever more complex forms of matter self assembled. Gravity caused it to compress to a point it became so compressed it started a nuclear reaction and burned then Gravity made it collapse and then explode.. Each time New Elements and Compounds are formed including Organic Compounds that are found today throughout the Universe where ever we look... Every Meteor has organic molecules in it, Every Asteroid is made of water and many carbon based organic molecules. We have even found Amino Acids in objects in space.
Now Forget all the last several Billion years since earth formed and just consider the First Proto Life form. a Simple set of Amino Acids that through electrical pulses, UV light and Millions of years reproduced itself. If you duplicate those condition of early earth you get a organic compound with every compound that makes what we now call Alive.
So the Question becomes Simple. What is Life. Is a Base Virus Life? Is a Bacterium Life? is a Crystal that uses materials around it to grow and reproduce itself Alive. Once you have a simple 2 or 3 organic compound that reproduces then that answers the question about Human Kind and the assorted evolutionary steps... And all along the way from Billions of years ago until today we find Evidence of that evolutionary path from the proto bacterium that formed mats and produced All the Oxygen you breath today to life Blooms after each catastrophe that left just a few forms to quickly fill the environment....
Evolution is probably true,that accounts for people like yourself who evolved from a lower intelligence species,who like all animal form has no idea of God's existences.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98585 Apr 4, 2013
THE INCERDABLE CELL

There are 100 trillion cells in the human body and each cell has the DNA for the make up. That is SCIENTIFIC! Explain how that could come about through evolution.
OH AND BY THE WAY THE SCIENTIFIC WORLD IS EXPOSING AND DISPROVING YOUR EVOLUTION THEORY!

"Quantumist",
Your Mountain Wisdom has only allowed your brain (over 16 billion years) to EVOLVE into "Horsey Pucky Doo Doo!" What an acomplishment for evolution!
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98586 Apr 4, 2013
just here wrote:
Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 (trees come before Adam)
Genesis 2:4-9 (trees came after Adam)
Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 (birds created before Adam)
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 (birds created after Adam)
Genesis 1:24-27 (animals created before Adam)
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 (animals created after Adam)
Genesis 1:26-27 (Adam and Eve created at the same time)
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 (Adam created first, woman later)
...they even failed in creationism!
"just here"------because you are not all there!
just here

London, KY

#98587 Apr 4, 2013
The Bible is the greatest hoax in all history. The leading characters of the Old Testament would today be in the penitentiary and those of the New would be under observation in psychopathic wards

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