Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#98549 Apr 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>"As man is God was As God is man can become" Does that sound familar...What scripture says that?
"The King James Version Bible is a good translation as far as it is translated correctly" Is that a familar quote? Who decides what is translated correct and what is not?\

Are you surprised that I know some Mormon quotes?
No, that information is pretty easily found.
The Bible did not say that. At least the pieces that we have. Unfortunately, the Bible that we have access to has made it possible for thousands of different interpretations, which is why there is so much confusion and so many denominations. That is why there is a necessity for the restoration of the church that Jesus set up and a prophet to give the world God's messages, just like in old days.

These quotes were from revelations from Jesus Christ through Joseph Smith. And only the Holy Ghost can discern whether a translation is correct.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#98550 Apr 4, 2013
You are simply wrong wrote:
<quoted text>It’s all about the free will. If God stops you, you don’t have free will. How you deal with adversity, how you deal with death is just as important as how you deal with life and happiness. It’s part of what determines the mettle of your soul and determines if you are worthy or unworthy.
Your atheist show is probably right from the standpoint of the rapist. She forgot the standpoint of the child. If that child was sentient and sapient and had an immortal soul, most likely she was too young to be evil and an eternity in Heaven is worth any suffering endured on Earth.
"Mumbai: It's perhaps one of the most horrific stories of sexual abuse. Three sisters aged 11, nine and five years were brutally raped and killed and then their bodies were thrown in a well near Lakhni village in Bhandara district of Maharashtra."

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/three-minor...

So. Tell me again how the Christian faith thinks these little girls should have "handled the adversity" of being raped, murdered, and tossed down a well.

And tell me again how God, apparently all powerful and all loving, could watch this happen from on high, not lift a finger to stop it, and still be revered?

And how do you sleep at night being comfortable with this sort of evil, justifying it because....you have a belief in Heaven?

Hand over your human being membership card and get the hell out of my world, please.

Child rape is ok because Heaven is awesome?? Are you f**king KIDDING me??

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#98551 Apr 4, 2013
Big bang therory wrote:
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love math ?-Answer this simple equation :give the principal square root of 25 (first give the radical notation ) than (the Exponential notation ) Note this is grade school math (but you claim to know so much on science ,I am sure this like adding 3 plus 2 to someone like you.
Your mind can not accept the fact that everything had to come from something that already existed (and that "something " had to be created. Or my view God made it . So the question still is the same:
1. God made everything .
2, N O T H I N G made everything. There are no other answers.
you just proved that fact. and stop think for a second (or a few hours ) W H A T Material,or energy still makes planets,humans?- Show us- Answer you can not prove your point ,just as we can not prove God-but at least believing in a higher power creating everything is more logical to believe in than an "energy source ' made everything. Talk about far fetched imagination ,that fairy tale is the craziest story ever told. But you have that right so carry on my friend .Blessings Truth is we are tiny specks in a vast universe,so our simple minds can not comprehend God. I am weak,so are you,I understand very little,so do you. So lets not try to disprove God,because we can not give any other rational answer. Love you my friend .
If you accept scientific naturalism then you know that invoking an idea more complex than the thing you are trying to explain is usually wrong. The idea of a mind so vast and complex it created the universe is quite a bit more far-fetched than the idea that the universe came into being via some natural means.

We do science by observing, offering a hypothesis based on reason and evidence, testing it, and rejecting that which fails the test.

Which part of that process does God fit into?

None of them.

Therefore God is not part of science. So why try to solve the mystery of how the universe got started by invoking a magical concept with no evidence and no hope of ever finding any?

Isn't science a better tool for truthseeking
Big bang therory

Morehead, KY

#98552 Apr 4, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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If you accept scientific naturalism then you know that invoking an idea more complex than the thing you are trying to explain is usually wrong. The idea of a mind so vast and complex it created the universe is quite a bit more far-fetched than the idea that the universe came into being via some natural means.
We do science by observing, offering a hypothesis based on reason and evidence, testing it, and rejecting that which fails the test.
Which part of that process does God fit into?
None of them.
Therefore God is not part of science. So why try to solve the mystery of how the universe got started by invoking a magical concept with no evidence and no hope of ever finding any?
Isn't science a better tool for truthseeking
How does science explain it? There are theories than I can remember,which one is right? Tell me.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98553 Apr 4, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Since this post makes sense "big bang theory" will ignore it. Truth causes christians pain. And this post will give "big bang theory" major butt hurt
Nope.. He will not have a clue as to what I'm speaking of... He will revert to the Who made the Energy, who did what to make it go boom and so forth... He has No Idea of the basic physics of energy to matter conversion, No idea how matter self assembles into ever more complex versions over time... He like most never consider that there is absolutely no rational argument to events that happened 16 Billion years ago if you B'Leve everything was Pooffed into existence as it is at the moment just a tick on the clock ago... Most cannot even conceive that evolution of life started 16 billion years ago when the first two physical particles assembled into a more complex variation... Evolution did start when the earth formed... It started billions of years before our sun reformed the second time....
Big bang therory

Morehead, KY

#98554 Apr 4, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
"Mumbai: It's perhaps one of the most horrific stories of sexual abuse. Three sisters aged 11, nine and five years were brutally raped and killed and then their bodies were thrown in a well near Lakhni village in Bhandara district of Maharashtra."
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/three-minor...
So. Tell me again how the Christian faith thinks these little girls should have "handled the adversity" of being raped, murdered, and tossed down a well.
And tell me again how God, apparently all powerful and all loving, could watch this happen from on high, not lift a finger to stop it, and still be revered?

And how do you sleep at night being comfortable with this sort of evil, justifying it because....you have a belief in Heaven?
Hand over your human being membership card and get the hell out of my world, please.
Child rape is ok because Heaven is awesome?? Are you f**king KIDDING me??
My friend ,the Bible says that the devil is ruler of this earth,that is why God is coming back to give us a new world ,where there will be no death ,nor pain . Too many (even Christians think God wants everything that happens to take place ). Wrong. God gave man a free will . He gave us the choice to choose to do good or evil. But since satan came and filled many people with hate for God,hate for mankind,hate for any type of rules. horrible things like that happen . But satan will be cast into a burning hell when Jesus returns and man's minds will not be influenced by evil,thus no more killings! A perfect place of peace and joy.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#98555 Apr 4, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
This barely makes sense.
We do not have "all" the evidence because that is a fallacious idea to begin with. In science, you have evidence. If you have enough of it, and it if stands to reason in support of a theory, then the theory stands as supported.
The other poster is right in pointing out that you are rejecting good evidence for a solid theory in favor of an idea that has no evidence whatsoever.
Why would you do that? Why choose the idea without evidence even if the idea with evidence is "incomplete"?
The foundation of the Evolutionits theory,is that nonliving,nonintelligent matter,was able,over a period of billions of years,to evolve into a living cell,which in turn was able to evolve into many living species,including human kind.
That this nonliving non intelligent matter,was ,somehow, able to evolve into a living species,specifically,mankind,p reviously nonexistent,stretches my imagination beyond it's limits.
Science has not been able to explain how this process took place,nor duplicate that process.If you can neither explain or duplicate the process on which your foundation is based,then your theory collapses,due to the unreliability of the evidence that is used to support it.
Science has,by it's own admission,been unable to explain how life came into existence.
I have posed that question on several occassions and no one has been able to or attempted to provide the answer.
Basically,If one believes that nonliving and non intelligent matteer was able to create the most intelligent species, among others on this planet, and that this intelligent species,with all it's intellect is unable to duplicate this process or provide data as to how this process took place,leads one to the absurd conclusion that,nonintelligence was able to accomplish what human intelligence has been unable to accomplish.In other words,non intelligence is more intelligent than intelligence...
That,my good man,is logically impossible.

You err,when you state that my faith is an idea for which I can provide no evidence. Read my posting to Satan Priest and you willsee precisely what my faith is based on,how I HAVE TESTED IT and found it to be true...
Nevertheless,you are entitled to your opinion.....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98557 Apr 4, 2013
Big bang therory wrote:
<quoted text>
My friend ,the Bible says that the devil is ruler of this earth,that is why God is coming back to give us a new world ,where there will be no death ,nor pain . Too many (even Christians think God wants everything that happens to take place ). Wrong. God gave man a free will . He gave us the choice to choose to do good or evil. But since satan came and filled many people with hate for God,hate for mankind,hate for any type of rules. horrible things like that happen . But satan will be cast into a burning hell when Jesus returns and man's minds will not be influenced by evil,thus no more killings! A perfect place of peace and joy.
"Horsey Puckey Doo Doo" - Q
curious

Ocoee, FL

#98558 Apr 4, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.. He will not have a clue as to what I'm speaking of... He will revert to the Who made the Energy, who did what to make it go boom and so forth... He has No Idea of the basic physics of energy to matter conversion, No idea how matter self assembles into ever more complex versions over time... He like most never consider that there is absolutely no rational argument to events that happened 16 Billion years ago if you B'Leve everything was Pooffed into existence as it is at the moment just a tick on the clock ago... Most cannot even conceive that evolution of life started 16 billion years ago when the first two physical particles assembled into a more complex variation... Evolution did start when the earth formed... It started billions of years before our sun reformed the second time....
Since you and satanic priest appear to be well versed in Science,
I would appreciate your scientific explanation for something I posted earlier,,Which is as follows.
Evolution is nothing more that Extreme Science Fiction
Those who do not believe in God and believe in the scientific theory of evolution would believe that,
Unliving and unintelligent matter can ,over a period of billions of years,evolved into a living intelligent being,able to reproduce after it's own kind.
Let us analyze that procedure and apply it to the human species;
According to evolution,certain elements came together,devoid of intelligence or life and were somehow,able to assemble themselves ,over a period of billions of years,into a living being,previously non existent.
Without any guidance or blueprint to follow,this process called evolution,was able to create an amazingly sophisticated and complex machine,hereto fore unknown.
Question,How did that happen?How did this process know what was needed in order to create a living human,that this human would need a heart,a brain,a liver etc. and create within itself HALF of the necessary elements needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.We call this,MAN.

Now,apart and Independent of this MAN,we would have to have,these same identical elements,over a period of billions of years,create an almost identical being called woman,which would have most of the same characteristics of man,a heart,a brain,liver etc,and create within itself the other HALF of necessary elements needed to create additional human beings of both sexes,But,how did this unintelligent process know to create separate beings of different sexes and provide them with the necessary parts so there would be a continuation of the species.
Science CAN NOT explain that process,has no idea how it occurred,but yet,insists that their theory is accurate. That is not Science,that is Science Fiction of the highest degree.
Thereby my belief that a far superior intelligence than we possess, created us,that superior intelligence is what I refer to as GOD.
Meanwhile,those who do not believe in this superior intelligence,attempt to disprove God's Existence,
the foundation of their argument,that unintelligent and unliving matter,was somehow,able to transform itself into living intelligent matter,in the form of a human being,a process they can neither explain,provide any evidence that this event happened,nor have any idea as to how it occurred,
Therefore,they are willimg to believe that we were not created by a Supernatural being with a far superior intellect than humans possess,but were instead created by an unintelligent,unliving source that evolved over billions of years..
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98559 Apr 4, 2013
They refuse to answer any question directly because they wish to put the burden of proof to those that believe in the bible and creation..They are great "spin doctors" and nothing more.
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98561 Apr 4, 2013
“Many believe in evolution for the simple reason that they think science has proven it to be a ‘fact’ and, therefore, it must be accepted. In recent years a great many people, having finally been persuaded to make a real examination of the problem of evolution, have become convinced of its fallacy and are now convinced anti-evolutionists." -- Henry Morris, former evolutionist
that guy

London, KY

#98562 Apr 4, 2013
God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?
tink

United States

#98563 Apr 4, 2013
Blah
GWB

Roseville, CA

#98564 Apr 4, 2013
The WTS View of Creation and Evolution

Alan Feuerbacher - Shows glaring errors in WTS Life book.

Disagreements About Evolution
The Genesis Account
The Fossil Record
The Transformation of Species
The Gulf Between Reptiles and Birds
The Gulf Between Reptiles and Mammals
Summary of Fossil Creatures
The Evolution Of Man
The Society's View of Science and Evolution
Conclusion

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-1-dis...
GWB

Roseville, CA

#98565 Apr 4, 2013
excuse me wrote:
“Many believe in evolution for the simple reason that they think science has proven it to be a ‘fact’ and, therefore, it must be accepted. In recent years a great many people, having finally been persuaded to make a real examination of the problem of evolution, have become convinced of its fallacy and are now convinced anti-evolutionists." -- Henry Morris, former evolutionist
Jehovah's Witness?

The Society's book and Scientific Creationism [Henry Morris, Institute for Creation Research] is worthy of criticism. As noted above we find that quotations from scholars in the various scientific disciplines are routinely taken out of context.

The result is that scientists such as Eldredge, Gould, Jastrow, Johanson, Mayr, Ruse, Stanley, and Wald, to name a few, appear to the naive reader to reject all aspects of evolutionary theory.

The pattern of treatment is like that of Morris; however, The Society goes one step further. It is not unusual for words or phrases to be omitted without the use of ellipses to indicate such changes.

Part 1: Disagreements About Evolution

Alan Feuerbacher

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/part-1-dis...
LOL

Morehead, KY

#98566 Apr 4, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
"Horsey Puckey Doo Doo" - Q
Wow! you should them (that your mentality is like a 2 yr. old). Does mommy know you are on the computer?
LOL

Morehead, KY

#98567 Apr 4, 2013
Correction - You showed them
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#98568 Apr 4, 2013
By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time. Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Evolutionists admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 followed by 113 zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe! Mathematicians dismiss as never taking place anything that has a probability of occurring of less than 1 in 1050. But far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life. Some 2,000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 in 1040,000!“If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court,” says astronomer Fred Hoyle.
On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws. In other words, they have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.“Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,” writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.
A most intriguing fact about these laws, however, is that in them there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist. Among these fundamental constants are the unit of electric charge on the proton, the masses of certain fundamental particles, and Newton’s universal constant of gravitation, commonly denoted by the letter G. On this, Professor Davies continues:“Even minute variations in the values of some of them would drastically alter the appearance of the Universe. For example, Freeman Dyson has pointed out that if the force between nucleons (protons and neutrons) were only a few per cent stronger, the Universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the Sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life, at least as we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in G would turn all stars into blue giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life.” Thus, Davies concludes:“In this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible Universe. If that is so, it is a remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic.”
What can we deduce from all of this? First of all, if the universe is governed by laws, then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who formulated or established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved. Design and purpose—these are not characteristics of blind chance; they are precisely what an intelligent Creator would manifest. And that is just what the Bible indicates when it declares:“What may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.”—Romans 1:19, 20; Isaiah 45:18; Jeremiah 10:12.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98569 Apr 4, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you and satanic priest appear to be well versed in Science,
I would appreciate your scientific explanation for something I posted earlier,,Which is as follows.
Evolution is nothing more that Extreme Science Fiction
Those who do not believe in God and believe in the scientific theory of evolution would believe that,
Unliving and unintelligent matter can ,over a period of billions of years,evolved into a living intelligent being,able to reproduce after it's own kind.
Let us analyze that procedure and apply it to the human species;
According to evolution,certain elements came together,devoid of intelligence or life and were somehow,able to assemble themselves ,over a period of billions of years,into a living being,previously non existent.
Without any guidance or blueprint to follow,this process called evolution,was able to create an amazingly sophisticated and complex machine,hereto fore unknown.
Question,How did that happen?How did this process know what was needed in order to create a living human,that this human would need a heart,a brain,a liver etc. and create within itself HALF of the necessary elements needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.We call this,MAN.
Now,apart and Independent of this MAN,we would have to have,these same identical elements,over a period of billions of years,create an almost identical being called woman,which would have most of the same characteristics of man,a heart,a brain,liver etc,and create within itself the other HALF of necessary elements needed to create additional human beings of both sexes,But,how did this unintelligent process know to create separate beings of different sexes and provide them with the necessary parts so there would be a continuation of the species.
(Snipped)
Therefore,they are willimg to believe that we were not created by a Supernatural being with a far superior intellect than humans possess,but were instead created by an unintelligent,unliving source that evolved over billions of years.
You seem to have just confusion because you try to throw 16 Billion years into a Poof it just happened mind set. 16 Billion or so years ago Some Energy converted into Matter. over billions of years ever more complex forms of matter self assembled. Gravity caused it to compress to a point it became so compressed it started a nuclear reaction and burned then Gravity made it collapse and then explode.. Each time New Elements and Compounds are formed including Organic Compounds that are found today throughout the Universe where ever we look... Every Meteor has organic molecules in it, Every Asteroid is made of water and many carbon based organic molecules. We have even found Amino Acids in objects in space.

Now Forget all the last several Billion years since earth formed and just consider the First Proto Life form. a Simple set of Amino Acids that through electrical pulses, UV light and Millions of years reproduced itself. If you duplicate those condition of early earth you get a organic compound with every compound that makes what we now call Alive.

So the Question becomes Simple. What is Life. Is a Base Virus Life? Is a Bacterium Life? is a Crystal that uses materials around it to grow and reproduce itself Alive. Once you have a simple 2 or 3 organic compound that reproduces then that answers the question about Human Kind and the assorted evolutionary steps... And all along the way from Billions of years ago until today we find Evidence of that evolutionary path from the proto bacterium that formed mats and produced All the Oxygen you breath today to life Blooms after each catastrophe that left just a few forms to quickly fill the environment....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98570 Apr 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time. Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Over 16 Billion years it's not only Likely it's Inevitable....

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