Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 135,179

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#98334 Apr 3, 2013
excuse me wrote:
Preliminary to a consideration of this important theme, it should be noted that the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” applies to the Bible as much as to any other book. Books, like people, ought to be considered truthful and consistent unless it can be demonstrated that they are not. Great attempts have been made to absolve the Greek and Latin classics of contradictions, under the presumption that the authors did not contradict themselves. Surely the Bible deserves at least an equally charitable approach.
If you are willing to concede that the bible is a work of fiction, like the Greek and Latin classics, then I'll treat it with as much "charity".

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#98335 Apr 3, 2013
James 4:8
King James Version (KJV)


8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

“There is no god.”

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USA

#98336 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>SOOO explain the murder, rape, slavery, killing children, animal sacrifice that your god commanded
Top religie answer: The laws of the old testicle are no longer valid.

Of course what do laws have to do with god killing people.
Re-read

Morehead, KY

#98337 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>SOOO explain the murder, rape, slavery, killing children, animal sacrifice that your god commanded
God never commanded rape-Name one instance in which he did ? Give the Bible verse. People raped,God did not tell them to do such wickedness!
Where did God say make them slaves ?-he punished Pharaoh for making the children of Israel slaves for 400 years. Yes there have always been wars-God will not allow some wicked people to kill and torment another race of people ,so HE helps them win the battle.

Would you want some terrorist group to overpower and kill everyone in America?--You,your family and loved ones ? No,if you have a heart you would stop it anyway possible.
god never wants war,but He will help us to overcome the evil ones who would harm us.

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#98338 Apr 3, 2013
John 4:24
King James Version (KJV)


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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#98339 Apr 3, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>But, how do you know he's your creator? I mean, they're "gods" right? Some more powerful than others...how do you know you're not the victim of a cosmic April Fool's Day hoax?

do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
I just don't think all those stars and galaxies are just scenery for us to look at. "

For once we agree on something, I don't think they are there for us to to look at either. But, I don't believe in making up stories to explain their existence. To me that diminishes their beauty.
I just don't think they play around like that. I'd say they are pretty straight up.
But I have to admit, they must have some sense of humor based on some of the things and people I have seen. Haha

So do you think there is life on the planets that orbit those stars?

“See how you are?”

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#98340 Apr 3, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I'll defer to Satanic Priest on this. Biblical contradictions are in his wheelhouse.
A religie's response will inevitably be, "But, you don't understand how to read the Word of God...," "But, it says in another book written centuries later that...," "But, you don't understand science..."
You could have stopped reading his/her reply at the first word, because as the saying goes, "Everything after 'But,' is bull shyte."

“See how you are?”

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#98341 Apr 3, 2013
Re-read wrote:
<quoted text>
God never commanded rape-Name one instance in which he did ? Give the Bible verse. People raped,God did not tell them to do such wickedness!
Where did God say make them slaves ?-he punished Pharaoh for making the children of Israel slaves for 400 years. Yes there have always been wars-God will not allow some wicked people to kill and torment another race of people ,so HE helps them win the battle.
Would you want some terrorist group to overpower and kill everyone in America?--You,your family and loved ones ? No,if you have a heart you would stop it anyway possible.
god never wants war,but He will help us to overcome the evil ones who would harm us.
You can't claim to know the Bible and display ignorance of it at the same time.
Mind your 9th commandment.

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#98342 Apr 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I just don't think they play around like that. I'd say they are pretty straight up.
But I have to admit, they must have some sense of humor based on some of the things and people I have seen. Haha
So do you think there is life on the planets that orbit those stars?
Yes, I believe it to be highly probable that life exists outside of our solar system.

“There is no god.”

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#98343 Apr 3, 2013
"He will help us to overcome the evil ones who would harm us"

Tell that to job. I think god said sic,em.

“See how you are?”

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#98345 Apr 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I just don't think they play around like that. I'd say they are pretty straight up.
But I have to admit, they must have some sense of humor based on some of the things and people I have seen. Haha
So do you think there is life on the planets that orbit those stars?
God is straight up? Yeaah.. I'll bet He and Job had a good laugh about that over a beer. Wait - there is beer in the afterlife, isn't there? Now THAT would be cruel.

Life among the stars? It is infinitely probable that something matches our criteria of "life" elsewhere than just our minuscule biosphere.

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#98346 Apr 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
A religie's response will inevitably be, "But, you don't understand how to read the Word of God...," "But, it says in another book written centuries later that...," "But, you don't understand science..."
You could have stopped reading his/her reply at the first word, because as the saying goes, "Everything after 'But,' is bull shyte."
I know, I bit when I should have just kept swimming. Precisely why I deferred to SP. I think he likes that game.
Hell, it wouldn't make it any more valid to me if the thing didn't have contradictions.

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#98347 Apr 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>God is straight up? Yeaah.. I'll bet He and Job had a good laugh about that over a beer. Wait - there is beer in the afterlife, isn't there? Now THAT would be cruel.

Life among the stars? It is infinitely probable that something matches our criteria of "life" elsewhere than just our minuscule biosphere.
You're asking a Mormon if there is beer in heaven? Haha
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98348 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>SOOO explain the murder, rape, slavery, killing children, animal sacrifice that your god commanded
One thing you have to love about atheists is their extreme appreciation for the King James Version (KJV) translation. The KJV was translated in the early 17th century using an archaic form of modern English. In the last 400 years, English has changed significantly. Unfortunately, the vast majority those who read the KJV (both believers and unbelievers) are unqualified to know what the text means in many instances because of word meaning changes. In attempting to demonstrate the contradiction of God's commands to Israel and the sixth commandment, atheist cite the KJV translation, "Thou shalt not kill."
To answer the question whether God breaks His own commandments, we need to determine if God committed murder (i.e., killed people without cause). The Bible is quite clear that God has killed people directly (the most prominent example being the flood) and indirectly (ordered peoples to be killed). If God ordered or participated in the killing of innocent people, then He would be guilty of murder. Let's look at two of the most prominent examples.
when God ordered Joshua and his people to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan?[13] What crime could be so great that entire populations of cities were designated for destruction? God told Moses that the nations that the Hebrew were replacing were wicked.[14] How "wicked" were these people? The text tells us that they were burning their own sons and daughters in sacrifices to their gods.[15] So we see that these people were not really innocent. For these reasons (and others 16), God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed.
Do you need further explanation on this subject?
excuse me

Elkhorn City, KY

#98349 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>SOOO explain the murder, rape, slavery, killing children, animal sacrifice that your god commanded
Sedond example:According to the Bible, God killed every human except Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives in the flood. Were any of these people killed unjustly? The Bible says specifically that all people (except Noah and his family) had become corrupted.[11] Not only had all people become corrupted, but they were continually plotting evil![12] Is it possible that an entire culture can become corrupted? You bet! Recent history proves the point rather well. When the Nazis took over Germany before WWII, opposition was crushed and removed. When they began their purging of the undesirables (e.g., the Jews), virtually the entire society went along with the plan. So, the Bible indicates that no innocent people were killed in the flood.
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Elkhorn City, KY

#98350 Apr 3, 2013
Second**

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

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Heidrick, KY

#98351 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Than why isn't Romney President???
Because 10% of the American Public are Racists and voted for Obama strictly due to race... Another 20% receive payments for their votes in the form of Obama Phones and Benefit checks... And 5% think Utopia is obtainable..... That was enough to give Obama a few percentage win...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#98352 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I will try not to be too snarky. I find Creationism to be intellectually empty so it is not going to be easy.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html
Evolution is nothing more that Extreme Science Fiction
Those who do not believe in God and believe in the scientific theory of evolution would believe that,
Unliving and unintelligent matter can ,over a period of billions of years,evolve into a living intelligent being,able to reproduce after it's own kind.
Let us analyze that procedure and apply it to the human species;
According to evolution,certain elements came together,devoid of intelligence or life and were somehow,able to assemble themselves ,over a period of billions of years,into a living being,previously non existent.
Without any guidance or blueprint to follow,this process called evolution,was able to create an amazingly sophisticated and complex machine,hereto fore unknown.
Question,How did that happen?How did this process know what was needed in order to create a living human,that this human would need a heart,a brain,a liver etc. and create within itself HALF of the necessary elements needed in order to continue the survival of the human species.We call this,MAN.

Now,apart and Independent of this MAN,we would have to have,these same identical elements,over a period of billions of years,create an almost identical being called woman,which would have most of the same characteristics of man,a heart,a brain,liver etc,and create within itself the other HALF of necessary elements needed to create additional human beings of both sexes,But,how did this unintelligent process know to create separate beings of different sexes and provide them with the necessary parts so there would be a continuation of the species.
Science CAN NOT explain that process,has no idea how it occurred,but yet,insists that their theory is accurate. That is not Science,that is Science Fiction of the highest degree.
Thereby my belief that a far superior intelligence than we possess, created us,that superior intelligence is what I refer to as GOD.
Meanwhile,those who do not believe in this superior intelligence,attempt to disprove God's Existence,
the foundation of their argument,that unintelligent and unliving matter,was somehow,able to transform itself into living intelligent matter,in the form of a human being,a process they can neither explain,provide any evidence that this event happened,nor have any idea as to how it occurred,
Therefore,they are willimg to believe that we were not created by a Supernatural being with a far superior intellect than humans possess,but were instead created by an unintelligent,unliving source that evolved over billions of years..

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98353 Apr 3, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I'll defer to Satanic Priest on this. Biblical contradictions are in his wheelhouse.
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13


14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31

20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7


Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

“There is no god”

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#98354 Apr 3, 2013
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

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