Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,870

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98272 Apr 3, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>That IS why He sent us Jesus!!!
Amen!
"So you say but cann..... nevermind.... You know, you know....
happy

Lexington, KY

#98273 Apr 3, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Great post!
God Bless you, and yours!
LOVE THIS POST. True
happy

United States

#98274 Apr 3, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>No it's NOT!
We the People want it... even if you few do not!
It's an elective, it's history, it's our heritage!
Take God out of everything and we have the insanity that we have now. Not the answer. Put God back in.. That's the only answer :-)
happy

United States

#98275 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>I love how good Christians will say that gays are disgusting. I bet when you are pinned down on the issue you fall back to "love the sinner, hate the sin". I think that line of thinking is disgusting and amoral.

Now, regarding your dodge of the raped and murdered children...

You say that we cannot know the mind of God, therefore you are saying there was a good reason for these little girls to be raped and murdered. Otherwise your God allowed an evil thing to happen for a bad reason, correct?

But by claiming to know anything at all about God's motivations or plans then you have some kind of special knowledge of God's mind. How did you come to that knowledge? Did you make a decision to accept the Bible as true? If so, then aren't you just using your own brain to make decisions about God's mind?

Also, I find your line of reasoning quite repugnant to begin with. I don't know about you but when I hear about little kids being raped and murdered it angers me. It makes me sad. I want to reach out and help them. I don't start making justifications for the evil just so I can continue to have my magic beliefs.

You realize you are defending rape and murder, right? Under your rules, I can kill and rape and torture all day long. And if it happens, then it must be a *good* thing because God allowed it to happen. Otherwise God's Top Secret Plan™ is not that good, is it?
No reasoning with these type of closed minds. They know it all..
God certainly does not approve of "ANYONE being RAPED". That shows how ignorant you are. But ignorance can change, stupidity.. Well, you're stuck with it...
happy

United States

#98276 Apr 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
arctic
Love your posts
happy

United States

#98277 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Hold on a second...If God sometimes says no, sometimes says wait, and sometimes says yes...how is that different from no God at all?

And did God ever LITERALLY say "wait", or is that a figure of speech? Do you *literally* hear a voice? Who does he sound like? Donald Trump? Ben Kingsly? Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite?

"Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pr...

"Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on 14 studies concluded that there is "no discernable effect" while a 2007 systemic review of intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had "small, but significant, effect sizes" but the review noted that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_inter...
U ALWAYS CRACK ME UP!
Are u a parent? Did you have a parent? Did they say YES NO MAYBE WAIT! I bet they did!
YES... I have heard audibly ..but wait ... Lol. Why should I tell U how He speaks to me? You always say its not true ...
Have a great day. God bless you
happy

United States

#98278 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Hold on a second...If God sometimes says no, sometimes says wait, and sometimes says yes...how is that different from no God at all?

And did God ever LITERALLY say "wait", or is that a figure of speech? Do you *literally* hear a voice? Who does he sound like? Donald Trump? Ben Kingsly? Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite?

"Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pr...

"Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on 14 studies concluded that there is "no discernable effect" while a 2007 systemic review of intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had "small, but significant, effect sizes" but the review noted that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_inter...
Old data...people have proven PRAYER works but u will never accept the proof..many articles and books on prayer. Even people who HAVE EXPERIENCED DEATH... What abt what they have seen and the warnings they come back with. They have seen the light or the evil side... what abt those ppl?
GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.. I pray for people like you all the time. I was once lost...so yes I am burdened for your kind. Do you know what that feels like?
You still cannot see the WIND, but its there. Gravity...
The HUMAN BODY alone is PROOF enough that there is a GOD.. But of course you have a better idea...
Hiccup lol
hotdog

London, KY

#98279 Apr 3, 2013
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
LA LA
You know what

Indianapolis, IN

#98280 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I will try not to be too snarky. I find Creationism to be intellectually empty so it is not going to be easy.
Ok, so you are proposing that this HUGE layer of water vapor existed in Noah's time, right? What is your reason for coming to this conclusion? The evidence is not there. Citing large plants is not nearly enough evidence to justify this water vapor layer. It would be like trying to explain immense dinosaurs by claiming that all plant life on Earth used to contain special magical nutrients that made things get really huge. There's just no reason to introduce such a weird, outlandish idea.
Here is what Talk Origins says about the water vapor idea:
" Now the "vapor canopy" would form a part of the atmosphere, being a body of gas (water vapor) gravitationally held to the earth. It would in fact be most of the pre-flood atmosphere. There would have to be enough vapor to form 9km of liquid, when condensed, and, therefore the vapor would weigh as much as 9km of water. The pressure at the earth's surface, where Noah and family lived, would be equal to one atmosphere PLUS the weight of a 9km column of water of unit area. This is equivalent to the pressure 9km deep in the ocean. What is this pressure? Well, each 10m of water is roughly equivalent to one atmosphere, so the pressure would be 900 atmospheres. The atmosphere would also have a composition of about 900 parts water vapor to one part of what we call air today.
How could an atmosphere almost 100% water vapor not condense? The temperature would have to be raised to the point where the partial pressure of water equals 900 atmospheres, i.e. the boiling point at that pressure. So we find Noah et al. living in a 13,000psi boiler. Is this credible?"
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html
Maybe it was as simple as a high altitude cloud cover. Or maybe it was an ice sphere that separated our sky from space.
It did take 40 days and 40 nights for it to come down. if it was an ice sphere it may have deteriorated from one spot and gradually fell in the form of rain.
that guy

Mount Ida, AR

#98281 Apr 3, 2013
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes

Since: Aug 10

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#98282 Apr 3, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>it wont be to bad of a punishment if they only repent and ask to be forgiven. they will get to sit right next to the rest of the saved when god is rounded all of u all up i guess. with your god no matter what u do to ppl, u can still go unpunished thru eternity as long as u realize u were wrong and u are sorry no, matter what u caused to happen to someone else.
No repentance is a little more than that

Since: Aug 10

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#98283 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>In your ice cream example it is still possible for a child to choose broccoli. Highly unlikely, but possible. Your ability to predict which they will choose rests upon your experience with the kids and with your ability to understand probabilities.

God is not human. According to every Christian tradition I've ever encountered God is perfect. He knows *everything*. So it is not a matter of God using probability to deduce what Adam and Eve would do. He simply already knew it.

From any logical perspective that rules out the possibility of free will. You cannot be simultaneously free to choose while the knowledge of your choice is already established somewhere else. It breaks every law of physics.

And once you go down the road of claiming that God can do these magical things you are in the realm of 100% faith and 0% reason. That's fine if you want to believe it, but it is not a rational position nor can it be defended in a reasonable debate.

You are putting your own personal theories into the mind of God. I'm not sure how you can justify that other than you're trying to rationalize an irrational position.
I'm just giving you my own thoughts. I said that pretty openly.
And I do believe we have free will. And I know which of my kids would choose broccoli and which would go for ice cream. That was my point.

Since: Aug 10

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#98284 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You do not understand how a democracy works do you? When 5% of the people want something and 95% of the people say Hell no than it is not going to happen.
Send your kids to private school but hope that they do not read the whole bible or they will become Atheist
Not necessarily. Look at gay marriage. They were a minority, but because of their fighting for support, people are changing positions to their benefit.

Since: Aug 10

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#98285 Apr 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Rationalize and justify... It's still hokum.
I can agree to disagree on this. Again, I readily admit that it takes faith to believe the things I believe.
You are simply wrong

Beattyville, KY

#98286 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that God both knows the future and gives us free will because of *differential calculus*?
Prove it.
But start by proving God.
No, I'm pointing out the obvious flaw in your statement. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it illogical.

Also, no, you try to prove that God doesn't exist.

Since: Aug 10

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#98287 Apr 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
He is the Alpha and Omega as far as we are concerned.(And this is just me thinking) We are subject to Him. That's all that matters to us right now. The rest is irrelevant. I'm just asking what if?
Asking "what if?" is important...and the possible answers are far from irrelevant.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe He did know they would choose to eat of the fruit, but He still left it up to them to choose. I think it's a fine line between omniscience and predestination. I don't understand it fully but I can distinguish between the two.
How?
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Like if I give my kids the choice between broccoli and ice cream, I know which ones will choose which food because I have learned what they desire, because I have spent time with them and learned their behaviors. It doesn't mean I'm omniscient, nor that I have predestined what they will choose.
Oh, no...not the same. Not the same at all. Your kids, as Yiago pointed out, still could choose differently. You don't "know" what they will choose. Your god, however, supposedly does know. There can be no other outcome...otherwise he isn't omniscient. And if he isn't omniscient it's hard to argue that he's omnipotent.
On the other hand, if he is omniscient(and omnipotent), then all of your decisions are already known...which means they could only have one outcome, and that means your "free will" is an illusion.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#98288 Apr 3, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
Old data...people have proven PRAYER works but u will never accept the proof..many articles and books on prayer. Even people who HAVE EXPERIENCED DEATH... What abt what they have seen and the warnings they come back with. They have seen the light or the evil side... what abt those ppl?
GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.. I pray for people like you all the time. I was once lost...so yes I am burdened for your kind. Do you know what that feels like?
You still cannot see the WIND, but its there. Gravity...
The HUMAN BODY alone is PROOF enough that there is a GOD.. But of course you have a better idea...
Hiccup lol
I cited some of the most recent and rigorous studies. If you have better ones, post them. But understand that doing scientific studies is a science. It is rigorously controlled. And under those controls intercessory prayer never shows any signs of effectiveness.

I'm sorry if that bothers you. But facts are facts. You can believe in Bigfoot but that won't make Bigfoot appear in your driveway.
You are simply wrong

Beattyville, KY

#98289 Apr 3, 2013
that guy wrote:
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes
You have fallen into the trap of Pride. Namely, you have wrongly assumed that Humans are the purpose of creation.
Repucheta

Haverhill, MA

#98290 Apr 3, 2013
Really?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#98291 Apr 3, 2013
You are simply wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm pointing out the obvious flaw in your statement. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it illogical.
Also, no, you try to prove that God doesn't exist.
Right. Something being illogical makes it illogical. Try this:

1. God knows the future.

2. We make free choices.

3. ERROR: Therefore God does/does not know the future???

If you accept 1 and 2, you are left with a problem at 3. It isn't a matter of me not understanding it. It is a matter of the idea being logically flawed.

I am being as rational and neutral about it as possible. But a fact is a fact.

Regarding proof of God, the onus of proof always rests with the person making the positive claim. That is why we do not have trials to prove our innocence. We have trials to prove our guilt.

Do you understand these basic ideas?

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