Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,914

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98210 Apr 2, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Yew don't know what the water levels, in the proverbial area of, of the times were...(nor do yew know how many species of critters there were, or were NOT) at the time either.
Yew weren't there, and neither was ANYONE else around to talk about it these days...so that is at best, still questable and debatable!!
Yer a idjit.
15 cubits over the mountain tops.. covering all the lands under the entire heavens.
I understand that numbers and facts just aren't the religies' balliwick, but do at least TRY to wrap your atrophied little minds around what your book proposes.
Previously I've been kind enough to use 10,000 feet as a standard just for the Persian area - not of the Rockies, Alps, Andes, Himalayas, etc. but your Book is specific. Water seeks it's own level, so to cover Mt. Everest the global coverage would be nearly 30,000 feet. 2,000 atmospheric pressures at sea level. An accumulation rate of nearly 10 meters an hour for a thousand hours. OVER A BILLION CUBIC MILES of water. Certain death for every surface marine creature and a complete collapse of the oxygenation systems of the atmosphere. No forests or plains, no plankton, no algae. The massive rapid compression and release of the Earth's crust would result in earthquakes and volcanoes the likes of which have not been seen since the bombardment. Lahars and cataracts from every plateau and mountain range, whole glaciers floating free of their beds, ocean currents and atmospheric patterns completely disrupted for centuries. Alluvials and canyons from the runoff would dwarf every natural wonder. All this for Noah to look forward to AFTER the ark landed - and all this a mere 4500 years ago.
Meanwhile 6 humans to tend, feed and muck out the stalls of 2 of every kind of animal for months - then a landing on a mountain side that has been washed clean of any food sources - if there had been any to begin with. 6 humans to perpetuate the human race amid the cataclysmic aftermath - and in just a couple of generations they are populous and prosperous enough to construct the Tower of Babel...

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#98211 Apr 2, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I see... so you would tease and bait your children, then beat them for being children and ostracize them until they grow up because that was your plan all along. Cuckoo...
Come on now. Does that sound like anything I have said here? Don't skew my words to try to misrepresent my words.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98212 Apr 2, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
PEOPLE in general, no matter the race, creed or color. have times when they all "lie."
Because sometimes, it is better to be KIND, polite ad tactful, rather than hateful, spiteful and mean.
Condemnation is an ugly, rather dark age trait, especially when applied collectively to a whole group, with out rationality or logic.
Lots of things are nice. It's nice to be civil. Rainbows, strawberry cupcakes, daisy necklaces and butterflies are nice. Helping with homework, playing ball or tea party with your kids is nice. Pitching in to help reroof your neighbor's house is nice.
I find nothing kind, polite and tactful in groups collectively perpetuating lies and fairy tales to the next generations as "truth" without any rationality or logic.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#98213 Apr 2, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on now. Does that sound like anything I have said here? Don't skew my words to try to misrepresent my words.
I'm not saying you are a child abuser. I'm saying that running the same scenario indicates the flaws of thinking God was/is a good parent.
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#98214 Apr 2, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
Why were all angels in the beginning males or Sons and no women mention as angels Heaven. Why only males mentioned and not women in heaven if they are both equal?
men and women are not equal in gods eyes. look up the value of men and the value of women in the bible and u will find that women are only half as valuable as men. so in other words he just made them to be slaves to man period, made gentiles to be slaves for jews period, and made jews out of love for his own race but also says if they screw up to slave them too but becuz they are the right color they can work it out and be free again where as the rest cant. that is the true love of your god.

Since: Aug 10

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#98215 Apr 2, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not saying you are a child abuser. I'm saying that running the same scenario indicates the flaws of thinking God was/is a good parent.
I think it will all make sense once the veil is lifted.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98216 Apr 2, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not saying you are a child abuser. I'm saying that running the same scenario indicates the flaws of thinking God was/is a good parent.
Our teens don't really understand some of the decisions we make as parents, even if it's in their best interests. Then one day when they become parents, things start making more sense.
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#98217 Apr 2, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure He could. And none of us understand why He does not intervene on a tragedy such as that. All we know is that the punishment for doing so is among the worst imaginable.
it wont be to bad of a punishment if they only repent and ask to be forgiven. they will get to sit right next to the rest of the saved when god is rounded all of u all up i guess. with your god no matter what u do to ppl, u can still go unpunished thru eternity as long as u realize u were wrong and u are sorry no, matter what u caused to happen to someone else.
Hello

Butler, KY

#98218 Apr 3, 2013
In response to post #98210.

I apologize, I haven't been in this conversation, but I'd like to comment on this post and give my understanding of how it happened.

The mountains that were named didn't exist in the pre-flood era.
The water was mostly under the crust of the earth originally and we believe a seventh layer of atmosphere, a water layer, encompassed the earth in order to protect us from UV among other things.
The fountains of the great deep broke up and high pressure water from underneath the crust flooded the surface while the water canopy above collapsed and fell to earth as rain.
I think the wording is "all the high hills" and not mountain tops because mountains didn't exist as they do now. The earth was smoother.
After the duration of the flood the unpressurized voids left in the earth began to be filled. The crust that was once above the waters was now collapsing into the voids where the water had been.
As the smoother mass of the earth's crust collapsed in closer to the center there was less space to contain the mass. So the effect, as with anything that you try to cram into a smaller space than it can fit, was for the mountains to push out. In the case of the flood, out of the water. That is why we find aquatic fossils on Everest. It was land that was once underwater, but was pushed up as the earths crust collapsed in closer to the center of the planet.
I heard one time that if the earth's crust was leveled the water would cover it in a depth of about a mile. I'm not sure of the estimated depth, it's been a while since I heard that.

Also, I personnally believe that all radioactive isotopes were probably contained deep in the earth's crust prior to the flood (probably serving some purpose). When the crust was disheveled from the flood and the minerals were re-ordered and stratified the isotopes were mixed in.
Humans today are now constantly exposed to radiation as well as UV which would account for our rapid aging due to the destruction of our cells from the exposure.

There is a verse in the New Testament, one of Peter's books I think, that states that people would scoff at the Bible because they would be ignorant of the fact that the earth was created both in the water and out of the water. In the water, being the water layer of atmosphere. Out of the water, being the water that was once under the crust that now fills the oceans while the crust that was above the water now lies on the ocean's floor.
Thank you.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Heidrick, KY

#98219 Apr 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
In response to post #98210.
I apologize, I haven't been in this conversation, but I'd like to comment on this post and give my understanding of how it happened.
The mountains that were named didn't exist in the pre-flood era.
The water was mostly under the crust of the earth originally and we believe a seventh layer of atmosphere, a water layer, encompassed the earth in order to protect us from UV among other things.
The fountains of the great deep broke up and high pressure water from underneath the crust flooded the surface while the water canopy above collapsed and fell to earth as rain.
I think the wording is "all the high hills" and not mountain tops because mountains didn't exist as they do now. The earth was smoother.
After the duration of the flood the unpressurized voids left in the earth began to be filled. The crust that was once above the waters was now collapsing into the voids where the water had been.
As the smoother mass of the earth's crust collapsed in closer to the center there was less space to contain the mass. So the effect, as with anything that you try to cram into a smaller space than it can fit, was for the mountains to push out. In the case of the flood, out of the water. That is why we find aquatic fossils on Everest. It was land that was once underwater, but was pushed up as the earths crust collapsed in closer to the center of the planet.
I heard one time that if the earth's crust was leveled the water would cover it in a depth of about a mile. I'm not sure of the estimated depth, it's been a while since I heard that.
Also, I personnally believe that all radioactive isotopes were probably contained deep in the earth's crust prior to the flood (probably serving some purpose). When the crust was disheveled from the flood and the minerals were re-ordered and stratified the isotopes were mixed in.
Humans today are now constantly exposed to radiation as well as UV which would account for our rapid aging due to the destruction of our cells from the exposure.
There is a verse in the New Testament, one of Peter's books I think, that states that people would scoff at the Bible because they would be ignorant of the fact that the earth was created both in the water and out of the water. In the water, being the water layer of atmosphere. Out of the water, being the water that was once under the crust that now fills the oceans while the crust that was above the water now lies on the ocean's floor.
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/ohC3Cta3qEo

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#98220 Apr 3, 2013
Leaving the Light On wrote:
Proverbs 14
King James Version (KJV)
30 A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.
Envy is what drives motivation, without it, we would have no technology at all.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#98222 Apr 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
He is the Alpha and Omega as far as we are concerned.(And this is just me thinking) We are subject to Him. That's all that matters to us right now. The rest is irrelevant. I'm just asking what if?
I believe He did know they would choose to eat of the fruit, but He still left it up to them to choose. I think it's a fine line between omniscience and predestination. I don't understand it fully but I can distinguish between the two.
Like if I give my kids the choice between broccoli and ice cream, I know which ones will choose which food because I have learned what they desire, because I have spent time with them and learned their behaviors. It doesn't mean I'm omniscient, nor that I have predestined what they will choose.
We lived with Him before we came here. He knows us. He watched us learn talents and skills and develop personalities.
In your ice cream example it is still possible for a child to choose broccoli. Highly unlikely, but possible. Your ability to predict which they will choose rests upon your experience with the kids and with your ability to understand probabilities.

God is not human. According to every Christian tradition I've ever encountered God is perfect. He knows *everything*. So it is not a matter of God using probability to deduce what Adam and Eve would do. He simply already knew it.

From any logical perspective that rules out the possibility of free will. You cannot be simultaneously free to choose while the knowledge of your choice is already established somewhere else. It breaks every law of physics.

And once you go down the road of claiming that God can do these magical things you are in the realm of 100% faith and 0% reason. That's fine if you want to believe it, but it is not a rational position nor can it be defended in a reasonable debate.

You are putting your own personal theories into the mind of God. I'm not sure how you can justify that other than you're trying to rationalize an irrational position.
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#98223 Apr 3, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe in demon possession today?
I do!
I've cast them out!
They are real...
God is real!
Hello

Butler, KY

#98224 Apr 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Envy is what drives motivation, without it, we would have no technology at all.
Motivation and ambition can be completely free of envy.
One can be motivated by the desire to provide for ones family or from curiosity and a willingness to build or create things that make peoples lives better.
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#98225 Apr 3, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
God, No God.... Man will never be, can never be made perfect.....
That IS why He sent us Jesus!!!
Amen!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#98226 Apr 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
Motivation and ambition can be completely free of envy.
One can be motivated by the desire to provide for ones family or from curiosity and a willingness to build or create things that make peoples lives better.
You have got to be joking, no one can this in this much denial of reality.

Why do you have an iPhone? Because Apple wanted to make something better than Microsoft.

Why do you have Windows? Because Microsoft wanted to make a better operating system for computer illiterates so even you uneducated morons could use them.

Why do you have food on your table? Because someone wanted a profit so they could buy other things.

It's all envy, all of it, every innovation.
Wrong again Sparky

Stanton, KY

#98227 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your god told you to rejoice as you kill babies (Psalms 137:9) so you must kill babies to follow your god.
Here in America christian groups kill, rape, steal so you are complaining that some people do as your god says and kill babies???
Wrong!
You lie with every post...
Proving the Bible to be true, and correct!
You think you have morals? NO!
You are one of the nastiest posters on here, and prove it daily!
You make your religion look as ignorant as you, and it is!
God is real, and you will rue the days of your ignorance!
Good day!
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#98228 Apr 3, 2013
chang wrote:
<quoted text> The so called marriage equality act will come to light, if not already, because this is the devils kingdom of the lost and the damned.
They that lay with the same sex are just that...lost and damned. Not to mention disgusting.
The previous poster questioning the lack of response of God in the horrible act against the three young girls...simple answer...God did not intervene for reasons any human mind can not comprehend. Be it known though it was a man of your god.. satan...that carried the crime out.
When a saved child of God enters the kingdom ofHeaven, then and only then, will our questions that we can not answer here on earth be known and understood. The Lord says we will know by and by and not to question Him. If his Book says it is so, then it is.
I feel you and other satan soldiers are rich in the sense that every prelude to a God conversation that you are heavily armored and do a very fine job of putting doubt in those that are seeking or weak in faith. With that being said, you will be held accountable for your heathen beliefs, words, and blasphemy. When you stand on the left side of God come judgment day, you will reap your fire fueled words and satan will not be able to help your soul.
I find you educated, yet foolish. Eloquent in speech, yet ignorant in content.
I would pray for your soul, but the Lord does not hear prayers for those that are damned.
My Lord is mercy, yet vengeful. My Lord is love, yet hates. He gives you, the lost, the run of this world, cuz you will not have ever lasting life. No matter how many books you read, no matter how many classes you take, no matter how many saved people you encounter...you will never know God. His reasons, His Grace, His promises...they are only for His elect. Not for the bastards.
Sound unfair? Then turn to your master for answers and as everybody seen on this site alone...you come up empty and unsure and still ignorant.
Blessings to the Lords Elect. Matthew 24th chapter just seems to be lifted up off the holy pages. The devils bastards keep proving the precious words over and over and yet, they are so blind, they know not what they do.
What they yearn to do, they keep doing the opposite. They tend to be so educated and yet sooooooo naive.
Laughable.
Great post!
God Bless you, and yours!
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#98229 Apr 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Aww.. should my feelings be hurt?
You keep saying "believe want you want!" But you keep insisting that people believe what YOU want to believe.
Not trying to hurt anyone's feelings!
Just want you to open your eyes to the truth!
If sperm hits an egg, and goes un-interrupted... it
becomes a Baby!
Killing one before it comes out... it's still a baby...
A Dead Baby!
What do you believe?
Hello

Butler, KY

#98230 Apr 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You have got to be joking, no one can this in this much denial of reality.
Why do you have an iPhone? Because Apple wanted to make something better than Microsoft.
Why do you have Windows? Because Microsoft wanted to make a better operating system for computer illiterates so even you uneducated morons could use them.
Why do you have food on your table? Because someone wanted a profit so they could buy other things.
It's all envy, all of it, every innovation.
To allow one's self to be motivated by envy wouldn't be the healthy way to go. If your desire is to provide for your family I think you would be happier. Some people give to charity.

But, don't underestimate the power of curiosity. Many accomplish great things while being motivated by their desire to discover and invent. Sometimes the profits are a secondary reward.

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