Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,534

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#98044 Apr 1, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't been following this thread closely the last few days, but I'm having trouble getting the logic here (maybe it's just because I'm coming in late...)

If it was your god's intent for Adam and Eve to do exactly as they did in the Garden of Eden...then what were they guilty of?
It's the problem of evil.
Is your god omnipotent (and omniscient)? If so, he not only knew what would happen, be created everything in order for it to happen. So, he must not be benevolent.
Actions still have consequences. He gave them 2 commandments. They could only follow one.
If they didn't eat of the tree, they would have lived forever, but alone. Because they wouldn't know how to procreate. Eve was tricked into eating of the fruit, so she would be cast out. In order to fulfill the second commandment of multiplying, Adam had to go with her. So he ate the fruit. That means the consequence if death and living outside the garden was in effect.
I don't know if God is omnipotent. I think He has to abide by some eternal laws or He loses His status as God. So to us He is, but what if God is subject to His Father? Something to think about
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98045 Apr 1, 2013
NO no brain washing wrote:
You ppl are so brain washed with religious bull crap .PPL should be allowed to make their own minds up about religion .Not be force brain washed at school .For you fools that think it will help stop the shootings .Look at how well religion has worked in keeping world peace.I do not want my child infected with primitive beliefs of an invisible man .We came from apes get over it
No-- we did not originate from apes. Please to NOT DUHMdown science and show that most ignorant ape pictograph as any sort of explanation of origin to my children.

Apes did NOT just magically appear OR rain out of the sky.

See how derwooDUHMism lowers the level of intellience, right off the bat.

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#98046 Apr 1, 2013
pat wrote:
Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church
Now that was funny
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98047 Apr 1, 2013
pat wrote:
Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people.
Especially if that "religion" is Ignorance.

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#98048 Apr 1, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>That's the rub, some of them were not ingnorant, servants or slaves, yes indeed. Satan wanted to be king and dethrone the reigning God. One third of the angels in heaven wanted to have sex with humans on earth and they did. So God conceded and Satan became the God of this world. Yes, we have satanic dna by the fallen angels that produced hybrids , if you believe that the bible is real and not a myth.
I don't believe that's what the Bible says at all. I thought you said they only produced The Giants and they no longer exist. That's just taking the scenario you said. I still don't think that's what happened.

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#98049 Apr 1, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
No-- we did not originate from apes. Please to NOT DUHMdown science and show that most ignorant ape pictograph as any sort of explanation of origin to my children.
Apes did NOT just magically appear OR rain out of the sky.
See how derwooDUHMism lowers the level of intellience, right off the bat.
Anyone familiar with the ToE knows that it does not say that humans originated from apes any more than it says that humans magically appeared in a garden.
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98050 Apr 1, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I...you....what??
You do understand I was making a point about suffering, right? Not geology. Why not address the actual content of my post rather than sidestepping it and tossing big fat Red Herring into the room.
Okay, tsunamis (and other natural earth occurrences) can, do and have been known to cause suffering.(see a geology book)
The suffering suffered due to such catastrophic natural earth events, has been known to be eased for some, by seeking spiritual guidance (probably not found in most geology books).
Red Herrings however, might more likely be better studied from a book of "Ichthyology" rather than geology.

Is that better?
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98051 Apr 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
guffaw means belly laugh.
You think the creator of the Universe, a hypothetical being that exists outside of time and is all pervasive in "creation" looks like you? A hypothetical being that is untold billions of years old, knows every single iota of datum in the entire cosmos and who will live far beyond the time that the last mote dissolves into the sea of photos exists in a corporeal body?
Guffaw!
Facebook needs some corporate renovation on the contributory proccesses, just like churches.
TruthIs

Glenpool, OK

#98052 Apr 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone familiar with the ToE knows that it does not say that humans originated from apes any more than it says that humans magically appeared in a garden.
Yea and...that stupid pictograph should be banned for propagating ignorance, I tell you-banned!!!

“There is no god”

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#98053 Apr 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Read Matthew 18
2 Kings 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

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#98054 Apr 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>We differ more than here. A God that is able to create all of time and space could create rain and erase every single trace that it ever happened. He could be the universe's best ventriloquist. He could have simply had the Jews run across the tops of the waves instead of trudge through the silt of a sea bed - or simply have teleported them to the other side. We can apply fire retardant to a tree or create the illusion of speech and fire from one.
My question is not whether or not something might or could have happened. It is WTF is WRonG with people who defend those fabrications without any shred of critical thought, conscience or honesty.
God requires effort on our part. Or else we would all be allowed to be lazy oafs and just pray for everything. That's why some prayers aren't answered. The one praying never took any notion to make an effort on their own and they just suppose it will be given them because they are righteous.

As for the latter question. I'm trying.
And what's with the random capitalization mid word?

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#98055 Apr 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>guffaw means belly laugh.

You think the creator of the Universe, a hypothetical being that exists outside of time and is all pervasive in "creation" looks like you? A hypothetical being that is untold billions of years old, knows every single iota of datum in the entire cosmos and who will live far beyond the time that the last mote dissolves into the sea of photos exists in a corporeal body?

Guffaw!
Yes.
Matter is eternal. Even scientists agree with that.

“There is no god”

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#98057 Apr 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Actions still have consequences. He gave them 2 commandments. They could only follow one.
If they didn't eat of the tree, they would have lived forever, but alone. Because they wouldn't know how to procreate. Eve was tricked into eating of the fruit, so she would be cast out. In order to fulfill the second commandment of multiplying, Adam had to go with her. So he ate the fruit. That means the consequence if death and living outside the garden was in effect.
I don't know if God is omnipotent. I think He has to abide by some eternal laws or He loses His status as God. So to us He is, but what if God is subject to His Father? Something to think about
If your god created everything who made laws for him to follow? If god can not be around "sin" how did he create sin? Who did your god have to sacrifice jesus to? If Satan rules this world and god is all loving and forgiving shouldn't you worship Satan and than when you die god forgives you?
I know that you will not answer any of these questions, but I do hope that you read your whole bible and not just a verse here and a verse there

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#98058 Apr 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Genesis doesn't say that they were ignorant or stupid. It infers that the first humans were amoral - not comprehending the difference between right and wrong. I think religious folk have been pleading that insanity defense ever since.
Take for example:
Of course A&E were meant to go around naked.("God" still wants "Eve" to stay barefoot and pregnant, doesn't "he?") God got ticked when he found them covering their nakedness. And then you have the holy rollers drooling and spitting over the idea of a nude beach or nudist colony. What the heck? If some 68 year old retiree wants to sit around in their alltogethers and have a beer, why should anyone care? That was God's dress code in the year one.
Once they learned right from wrong they covered themselves. We know right from wrong therefore we cover ourselves. If you want to romp around nude, I don't really care, just don't do it in front of my elementary age daughters and I couldn't care less.

It says A&E were like little children. Little children don't make a big deal out of being nude. They also don't know what to use those parts for. That doesn't make them stupid, just innocent and ignorant.

“There is no god”

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#98059 Apr 1, 2013
Further proof that Christianity is the cult of hate
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/01/child-p...

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#98060 Apr 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Once they learned right from wrong they covered themselves. We know right from wrong therefore we cover ourselves. If you want to romp around nude, I don't really care, just don't do it in front of my elementary age daughters and I couldn't care less.
It says A&E were like little children. Little children don't make a big deal out of being nude. They also don't know what to use those parts for. That doesn't make them stupid, just innocent and ignorant.
Wait wait, if your god created Adam and Eve and left them nude than how was it wrong for them to be nude? How is being nude wrong or a "sin" if god was OK with that for Adam and Eve??? See, your stories just do not make any sense and fall apart so easy

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#98061 Apr 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
Do you mean that following do whut's rationale that God and the angels have human like forms and personalities, God shouldn't have been at all surprised at mankind's independent streak.
Consider Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
Doesn't that indicate that He was talking about creating a race exactly in form and temperament as the heavenly Host, and that the Heavenly Host in fact took an active part in the creation process?(Sabotage, or a job done TOO well for His liking?) If he was angry enough at humans to obliterate all but 6, why has he spared the one third who were the instigators and source of disobedience?

All absolutely speculative, of course. We know the OBVIOUS (and best) answer. Man created God and the angels in his own image.
I don't care about a rebuttal from the serious religies any more than I care of the significance when Samantha Stevens twitched her nose LRL vs. RLR or whether Mortimer Mouse was Mickey's father or older brother.
Jesus was there with thee Father in the beginning. That's who He was talking to. He had millions of spirit children that He wanted to help progress to become more like Him. We already existed, just without a body like Him.
After sin entered the world, God no longer walked with man. I then believe that Jehovah, the God of the OT was Jesus. He was our mediator with the Father. We have to go through Jesus to talk to the Father and that's how it's always been since we were no longer worthy to be in the presence of the Father.
And the parts you guys talk about with Him being a jealous God, it has always made me wonder if He had to mature in this role like we do.
Ever notice how a new supervisor acts? It goes to their head for a while and they react hastily to disobedience.
I don't know, just my thoughts.

“There is no god”

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#98062 Apr 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Once they learned right from wrong they covered themselves. We know right from wrong therefore we cover ourselves. If you want to romp around nude, I don't really care, just don't do it in front of my elementary age daughters and I couldn't care less.
It says A&E were like little children. Little children don't make a big deal out of being nude. They also don't know what to use those parts for. That doesn't make them stupid, just innocent and ignorant.
Dont you trust god to protect your daughter?

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#98063 Apr 1, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>2 Kings 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
And your point?

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#98064 Apr 1, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>If your god created everything who made laws for him to follow? If god can not be around "sin" how did he create sin? Who did your god have to sacrifice jesus to? If Satan rules this world and god is all loving and forgiving shouldn't you worship Satan and than when you die god forgives you?
I know that you will not answer any of these questions, but I do hope that you read your whole bible and not just a verse here and a verse there
Don't suppose I haven't.

I think that we are subject to God because we are His children. I think that He has a Father as well. These laws are eternal. The priesthood is eternal. If we are made in His image, it only makes sense that the family structure exists beyond Him. He is the one we are subject to, so we don't hear about the others.
So this would make sin and opposition an eternal concept as well. And no I would never take your advice. We are judged on our knowledge. I know Satan is the adversary of the creator, and that he loses in the end. Why would I follow the loser to eternal damnation?

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