Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,145

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#96760 Mar 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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No, no, no. I'm asking *you*, not the Watchtower.
How do *you* know? If it is just a feeling or faith, then you have no more insight than any other religious person.
Do you realize that every single Christian church claims that they also are on the right path?
Hell, Muslims are willing to kill and die for their God. If it is just a matter of how strong your faith is then they win all the way to the bank.
I'm trying to get at the reasons you believe you are in the right church, or that any church is right. That is the root of the problem. Reason.
Faith lacks it.
So what is your reason? Not the Watchtower's reason, your reason.
I gave you my reason----is that not good enough?
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#96761 Mar 21, 2013
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC wrote:
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I'm sorry you feel this way, but, YOU were the one who said you hated Christians because of the way you were raised by your Christian parents. You agreed with me that JW's changed the original Bible, to write it to their beliefs. I'm not trying to ENFORCE you to believe the way I do, just SHARING my beliefs! My KJV version does tell me though, to take away or add to God's Word is wrong! My Bible tells me to NOT hurt the children. Thank you for your comment & for listening to mine!!
the bible also states that god wont allow the bible to be changed so that u cant get the true meaning, therefore the JW must be right if god is all powerful becuz they cahnged it like u said and god did absolutely nothing about it
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#96762 Mar 21, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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You know good and well that is not true! If evolution was a proven fact they would be so quick to state that and produce the evidevce so it could be called a proven FACT instead of a THEORY!
Here is your opportunity to produce the FACTS!
if u want the facts look up what Theory actually means in scientific terms. that would tell u why it is called a theory to start, kinda like the theory of relativity. science allows for things to change and the theory part is what the evidence points to. if new evidence comes along that can change it then the scientific community will change it. all evidence found points to evolution and no evidence is out there that supports the bible teachings therefore the best explanation to where did we come from is the theory of evolution and until something else comes along the theory is the collaboration of all the evidence out there will remain the theory of evolution. take some time to read about evolution and u will find out what it means. i doubt u understand the theory completely, and if im wrong i apologize,becuz most religious ppl just say i didnt come from no monkey and thats why they disregard evolution but the way evolution works is that we didnt come from a monkey....us and monkeys both came from a common ancestor and we became us and monkeys became monkeys. an example of this is lions, tiger, panther, or any other big cat and the common house cat. they both come from the same common ancestor and i would go as far to guess that u would agree that tigers and kittens are both cats. so why is it so hard for ppl to accept the fact that monkeys and us are closely related just as tigers and kittens are? im gussing the arrogance og man is why some choose to believe that we are so special compared to other animals when the truth is we are just a couple changes in dna away from bein a monkey or ape or gorilla just as a kitten is a couple changes away from being a tiger or lion.
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#96763 Mar 21, 2013
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC wrote:
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You are right to say we aren't under the old law & that we are now under Grace. God does not hate the Sinner, but the Sin. Sin will always be sin, but through Faith by Grace & not Sacrificial Blood,(the Old Law) we are forgiven of our sins if we ask! Having said that, being gay is an abomination (sin) against God, but, if you ask god to forgive you of the sin, & TURN from the sin, then God IS just & forgiving & you can go to Heaven. Why is this my belief? I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE! Not Pushing on you, just explaining MY beliefs & why. Thank you again for listening with respect!
if we are not under the old law then why do the christians get all mad when we want the 10 commandments taken down. since they came from the old testament we are not under that law anymore, right? so why are wanting to spread lies by displayin the commandments when in fact we dont have to follow them if u agree the old law is gone.
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#96764 Mar 21, 2013
happy wrote:
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You know the scriptures pretty well
It seems. So who hurt you? It had to be a person. People will always always let you down. Especially if you have them on a pedestal or it was someone you trusted maybe... GOD will/would never hurt you. He cares about your concerns. He would never never never leave you or forsake you. Satan HATES hates hates you. Even with you serving him.. He HATES YOU. He's using you ..
JESUS I ask for a hedge of protection around this person and that you would show him the light in whatever form you deem necessary to bring this child in I plead the BLOOD of Jesus all around him for protection and that they might come to know the true power of your LOVE in Jesus name .. That they would feel your HOLY presence. Thank You Father for saving me from the pits of hell. You are my rescuer. My salvation. In Jesus name i pray Amen
why is it that u think someone hurt someone and thats what brings them to atheism? usually the atheist knows more about the bible than the believers cause at one time they believed too. the problem is that they grew up and learned to read and they did in fact read the bible, thats why they know it so well. and when u read it all and see just how sickening most of it is and then compare it to what we do know as facts, the bible falls flat of its face. it has no evidence to support it. it does, however, have plenty of other god stories that came before it that are almost identical that the story of Jesus. knowin about the other deities and science will lead most reasoning ppl to believe it is made up. not everyone that dont believe is mad at god for some reason or they are not hurt from someone to make them think god is not real.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#96765 Mar 21, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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I gave you my reason----is that not good enough?
You wrote the reply, or was it from the Watchtower? You linked to a JW site so I assumed you did not write it.

I'm not interested in reading what the JW church has to say. I was more interested in your personal opinion on how we know something is true.

But never mind. To each his own.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#96766 Mar 21, 2013
what wrote:
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why is it that u think someone hurt someone and thats what brings them to atheism? usually the atheist knows more about the bible than the believers cause at one time they believed too. the problem is that they grew up and learned to read and they did in fact read the bible, thats why they know it so well. and when u read it all and see just how sickening most of it is and then compare it to what we do know as facts, the bible falls flat of its face. it has no evidence to support it. it does, however, have plenty of other god stories that came before it that are almost identical that the story of Jesus. knowin about the other deities and science will lead most reasoning ppl to believe it is made up. not everyone that dont believe is mad at god for some reason or they are not hurt from someone to make them think god is not real.
I realized that there is no god from reading the bible. If the god in the bible where to be a real god than I could never worship him because of all the evil hate blood lust murder rape sex slaves slaves......
If the god of the jewish people where real the best thing we could do would be to hunt him down and kill him
Blahblahblah

London, KY

#96767 Mar 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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I have two questions.
First, what do you mean by "inspired"? If you mean the stories were written from inspirations, then that's true of any story. If you mean God inspired them to write it then you are getting back to the problem I pointed out. You are setting up a divine authority. And there is some bloodthirsty stuff in that book that by all logic MUST have come from the same divine source.
Otherwise, you are saying that some parts were from God and some were not. Which is which? Who has the authority to make that distinction? Who knows the mind of this God?
Second, do you think it is wise to deliver this book to people who already believe in witchcraft and magic so they can have one more authoritative magic book to use to hurt people? They do this in Africa. We take them Bibles, they kill witches and point to the Bible as a source of authority to do so.
Instead, why not teach them some friggin' critical thinking skills? Teach some literature from various sources. Fund schools and make sure those schools have high academic standards. That is how you cure poverty. Giving someone a Bible and praying for them does not do anything at all.
Nobody is angry at the book. But some of us are angry at the a**holes who use it to hurt people.
You're preaching to the chiorrrrrrrrrrrr.

And I didn't "write" the book, I just read it.

There's lots of aholes in the world-with all kinds of different reasons-certainly NOT, just because of (any) specific book.
Blahblahblah

London, KY

#96768 Mar 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I have two questions.
First, what do you mean by "inspired"? If you mean the stories were written from inspirations, then that's true of any story. If you mean God inspired them to write it then you are getting back to the problem I pointed out. You are setting up a divine authority. And there is some bloodthirsty stuff in that book that by all logic MUST have come from the same divine source.
Otherwise, you are saying that some parts were from God and some were not. Which is which? Who has the authority to make that distinction? Who knows the mind of this God?
Second, do you think it is wise to deliver this book to people who already believe in witchcraft and magic so they can have one more authoritative magic book to use to hurt people? They do this in Africa. We take them Bibles, they kill witches and point to the Bible as a source of authority to do so.
Instead, why not teach them some friggin' critical thinking skills? Teach some literature from various sources. Fund schools and make sure those schools have high academic standards. That is how you cure poverty. Giving someone a Bible and praying for them does not do anything at all.
Nobody is angry at the book. But some of us are angry at the
a**holes who use it to hurt people.
Although in some areas of the world, books into the hands of people does cause great disdain amongst certain sectors. Especially literacy into the hands of females.
Places where OT stone age mentality, still flourishes.
Hard to believe such still exists in the 21st century.
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Grayson, KY

#96770 Mar 21, 2013
what wrote:
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the bible also states that god wont allow the bible to be changed so that u cant get the true meaning, therefore the JW must be right if god is all powerful becuz they cahnged it like u said and god did absolutely nothing about it
What? Your comment,(to me) is nonsense. The Bible states it is wrong to add to or take away. God gave us all "Free Will". God will NOT make you do what is right, or wrong, He only tells us HIS WILL. We have the right to choose our will or God's. ALL will be judged on Judgement Day & everything we said or did while here on earth will be judged accordingly! This is my understanding & belief, but I also feel if you are going state the Bible, you should search First, then state it correctly!
PREVIOUS PATIENT AT KDMC

Grayson, KY

#96771 Mar 21, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
if we are not under the old law then why do the christians get all mad when we want the 10 commandments taken down. since they came from the old testament we are not under that law anymore, right? so why are wanting to spread lies by displayin the commandments when in fact we dont have to follow them if u agree the old law is gone.
.

Because Jesus said in the New Testament, "If you love Me, you will keep my Father's Commandments, but the Greatest of ALL commands IS LOVE." Not being under the Old Law means no more "Blood Sacrificing." JESUS was the LAST & ULTIMATE BLOOD SACRIFICE!
GWB

Roseville, CA

#96772 Mar 21, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
if we are not under the old law then why do the christians get all mad when we want the 10 commandments taken down. since they came from the old testament we are not under that law anymore, right? so why are wanting to spread lies by displayin the commandments when in fact we dont have to follow them if u agree the old law is gone.
Very good point you made. Those that display the 10 commandments are rejecting Jesus because he fulfilled the law.

Only two commandments would be acceptable according to the New Testament otherwise Jesus sacrifice would have been in vain.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#96774 Mar 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote the reply, or was it from the Watchtower? You linked to a JW site so I assumed you did not write it.
I'm not interested in reading what the JW church has to say. I was more interested in your personal opinion on how we know something is true.
But never mind. To each his own.
Romans 1:20-22 20 For his (God's) invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;
I have come to the same conclusion as the Apostle Paul.
Common sense will tell you anything left to it's own will deterioate instead of evolve.
Jehovah's Witnesses published a book "LIFE - How Did It Get Here? By Evolution Or By Creation?" You would do well to obtain a copy of that book (it is free) because it has been thoroughly researched on both sides of the issue. If after examining that book if you are not convienced that we were created then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.
As you said to each his own.
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#96775 Mar 21, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and repeating your mantras will not change reality. The evidence is there, even though you don't want to understand it. It's there and more is found every year. Unlike your god, it doesn't care whether you believe in it or not, it simply exists...because it's real.
You refusing to understand it does not invalidate it.
Yer the one with your fingers in your ears...
God is real...
He saved me!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#96776 Mar 21, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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With all the gold the assorted religions gather in his name he could afford a GPS...
Hahaha!
He's got something better than GPS... LOL
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#96777 Mar 21, 2013
Kitty wrote:
<quoted text>Yep this old body will rot like hamburger in the hot sun, But the soul will be in Beautiful Heaven with God. "Eye hath not seen nor ear heard what God has prepared for His children." Don't miss it!
Amen!
He won't force them in...
Neither will we!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#96778 Mar 21, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Pascal's wager with a threat of torture on the side, how nice. You bible thumpers sure do love torture fantasies. It makes me think you may be closet S&M freaks.
I keep asking this, but none of you seem to want to answer me. How is it that your god loves to torture his creations? How is it possible that humans have a greater capacity for forgiveness than your "loving" god?
(1) No! we do not "NOT" want you
to go to punishment!
(2) Whether it be Hell, or just outer darkness...
You will suffer knowing you had a chance, and blew it!

Imagine spending an eternity... knowing we were right!
We are! We're telling you... Seek God with all your heart!
You WILL be glad you did!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#96779 Mar 21, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
How will religies feel when they get to their "heaven" and find gay people there. The god in a jesus suit said gay people will go to "heaven" tooooo.
Yes... there will be people that USED to be gay!
Only IF they repented, and forsaken their sins!
I'll send you a link if you want!
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#96780 Mar 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
No, no, no. I'm asking *you*, not the Watchtower.
How do *you* know? If it is just a feeling or faith, then you have no more insight than any other religious person.
Do you realize that every single Christian church claims that they also are on the right path?
Hell, Muslims are willing to kill and die for their God. If it is just a matter of how strong your faith is then they win all the way to the bank.
I'm trying to get at the reasons you believe you are in the right church, or that any church is right. That is the root of the problem. Reason.
Faith lacks it.

So what is your reason? Not the Watchtower's reason, your reason.
First of all I am thoroughly convienced (not by blind faith) that the Bible is indeed the word of God. One is it's eternal harmony.
There are several other reasons that convences me that we(Jehovhh's Witnesses) do indeed have the truth! One is we (me included) base everything we teach on God's word the Bible. John 8:31,32 17:3 17:17 and 1John 5:19
Is that better?
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#96781 Mar 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>(1) No! we do not "NOT" want you
to go to punishment!
(2) Whether it be Hell, or just outer darkness...
You will suffer knowing you had a chance, and blew it!
Imagine spending an eternity... knowing we were right!
We are! We're telling you... Seek God with all your heart!
You WILL be glad you did!
Jeremiah 25:32,33
Dead bodies from one end of the earth to the other end
“This is what Jehovah of armies has said,‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.’
34 “Howl, YOU shepherds (religious leaders), and cry out! And wallow about, YOU majestic ones of the flock, because YOUR days for slaughtering and for YOUR scatterings have been fulfilled, and YOU must fall like a desirable vessel! 35 And a place to flee to has perished from the shepherds, and a means of escape from the majestic ones of the flock. 36 Listen! The outcry of the shepherds, and the howling of the majestic ones of the flock, for Jehovah is despoiling their pasturage. 37 And the peaceful abiding places have been rendered lifeless because of the burning anger of Jehovah. 38 He has left his covert just like a maned young lion, for their land has become an object of astonishment because of the maltreating sword and because of his burning anger.”

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