Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,163

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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happy

Lexington, KY

#96314 Mar 17, 2013
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Unpacking atheism

And these PEOPLE "were" atheist...
happy

Lexington, KY

#96315 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Scientifically speaking, William Lane Craig doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's a philosopher (who specializes in theology) not an astrophysicist, let alone an exo-biologist.
Lol..... OK.....ok...
Denial is not an excuse however
EplurbisGawdurad uhmazz

Somerset, KY

#96316 Mar 17, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
So explain to me how your god was afraid that when man built the tower of Babble they would reach heaven and nothing would be denied them but when we built tall buildings and sent men to space your god was silent.
If man could reach heaven from a tall tower how come telescopes and spacecraft do not find heaven?
Science has yet to even hold a COMPLETE equation for a theory on "everything". Why would anyone expect telescopes and/or spacecrafts to have any more knowledge than that of what is known, tangibly seen and studied?

DO you think there's a reason even science sometimes references such studies as the "heavenly, celestial, supernal"? As in-

heavenly
adjective
1. celestial, holy, divine, blessed, blest, immortal, supernatural, angelic, extraterrestrial, superhuman, godlike, beatific, cherubic, seraphic, supernal (literary), empyrean (poetic), paradisaical heavenly beings whose function it is to serve God
celestial worldly, human, earthly, secular
2.(Informal) wonderful, lovely, delightful, beautiful, entrancing, divine (informal), glorious, exquisite, sublime, alluring, blissful, ravishing, rapturous etc etc....

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#96317 Mar 17, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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The only caveat I would add is that Rational people don't "Except" evolution as to me that that to the religious folks sounds like their mindset of "Belief"... Just Except the bible or some other text as the Word of God and we will all be Believers... I think rational people Understand the concept of Evolution and question it on an ongoing basis changing that understanding as new evidence is presented and verified.. Even the Scientific community falls prey to Excepting a view at times and allow it to become dogma then refuse to even consider new evidence or question old dogmatic views.. It many cases what is claimed as science is just as Belief based as any religion....
Sure, but that's true of everything. It's the beauty of science. When new evidence is presented, existing theories are either modified or thrown out and replaced (which is why I called Darwin's theory the "prevailing" theory). I didn't say it happens painlessly, but it happens :-)

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#96318 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol..... OK.....ok...
Denial is not an excuse however
What am I denying?
EplurbisGawdurad uhmazz

Somerset, KY

#96319 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientifically speaking, William Lane Craig doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's a philosopher (who specializes in theology) not an astrophysicist, let alone an exo-biologist.
New Pope has a Masters in CHEMISTRY.(and a couple doctorates in other areas as well)

CHEMISTRY, as in SCIENCE.....AND RELIGION---proving once again-
Science AND faith, often CAN and DO-go hand in hand.

For those with some actual functioning brain matter anyway.
happy

Lexington, KY

#96320 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Really? The why did you ask about evolving from monkeys?
Oh GEEze...lol I forget where I am. Must I b politically correct? Lol
With all the other posts just thought it fit. Science does explain and admits there had to be a creator. I get humor from ppl who think we evolved from animals... To bad u don't c the humor. God did use a donkey ....so He can use me.... Whether u get me or not :-)
I don't get most of the nonsense on here either :-)
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#96321 Mar 17, 2013
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100% PROOF Pope Francis is ANTICHRIST______




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EplurbisGawdurad uhmazz

Somerset, KY

#96322 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh GEEze...lol I forget where I am. Must I b politically correct? Lol
With all the other posts just thought it fit. Science does explain and admits there had to be a creator. I get humor from ppl who think we evolved from animals... To bad u don't c the humor. God did use a donkey ....so He can use me.... Whether u get me or not :-)
I don't get most of the nonsense on here either :-)
Evolution from aquatic life maybe.

"Derrrwinian Apes" falling from the sky-no flocking way.

Science is STILL asking questions! Mostly because even they, do NOT know, all there is know to have all the answers!!

(and the really funny ones to watch are the ignotards that can only pretend in pretencious hypocricy, that they do. Nothing but Abject Ignorance, if it wasn't so pathetic at times, it would be funny, but it is, so it's not).
EplurbisGawdurad uhmazz

Somerset, KY

#96323 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text> (which is why I called Darwin's theory the "prevailing" theory). I didn't say it happens painlessly, but it happens :-)
Pre-Darwinian Theories The acceptance of biological evolution click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced is an essential part of the modern scientific explanation of the natural world. Most scientists and major religions in the Western World have long since incorporated it into their understanding of nature and humanity. However, some churches still maintain that there was a special and independent creation of every species and that life forms do not change through time from generation to generation. These "creationists" often share beliefs about the Judeo-Christian Bible that were widely held, even by scientists, during the early 19th century and before The traditional Judeo-Christian version of creationism click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced was strongly reinforced by James Ussher click this icon to hear the name pronounced, a 17th century Anglican archbishop of Armagh in Northern Ireland. By counting the generations of the Bible and adding them to modern history, he fixed the date of creation at October 23, 4004 B.C. During Ussher's lifetime, debate focused only on the details of his calculations rather than on the approach. Dr. Charles Lightfoot of Cambridge University in England had the last word. He proclaimed that the time of creation was 9:00 A.M. on October 23, 4004 B.C.

This belief that the earth and life on it are only about 6000 years old fit neatly with the then prevalent theory of the "Great Chain of Being." This held that God created an infinite and continuous series of life forms, each one grading into the next, from simplest to most complex, and that all organisms, including humans, were created in their present form relatively recently and that they have remained unchanged since then. Given these strongly held beliefs, it is not surprising that 17th and 18th century European biology consisted mainly of the description of plants and animals as they are with virtually no attempt to explain how they got to be that way.
painting of Carolus Linnaeus
Carolus Linnaeus
1707-1778

The leading biological scientist of the mid 18th century was the Swedish botanist Karl von Linné(Carolus Linnaeus click this icon to hear the name pronounced in Latin). His 180 books are filled with precise descriptions of nature, but he did little analysis or interpretation. This is to be expected since Linnaeus apparently believed that he was just revealing the unchanging order of life created by God. The goal of documenting change in nature would not have made sense to him. Late in his life, however, he was troubled by the fact that plant hybrids could be created by cross pollination. These were varieties that had not existed before. Linnaeus stopped short of concluding that these plants had evolved.

Despite his limiting research bias, Linnaeus was a first class scientist. His most important contribution to science was his logical classification system for all living things which he proposed in his book Systema Naturae, first published in 1735. In this and subsequent works, he described plants and animals on the basis of physical appearance and method of reproduction. He classified them relative to each other according to the degree of their similarities. He used a binomial nomenclature click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced in naming them. That is to say, organisms were given two Latin names--genus click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced and species click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced. Each genus could have many related species. Each genus was also part of larger categories of living things. This Linnaean system of classification is today the basis for naming and describing organisms in all fields of biology.

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#96324 Mar 17, 2013
EplurbisGawduraduhmazz wrote:
<quoted text>
New Pope has a Masters in CHEMISTRY.(and a couple doctorates in other areas as well)
CHEMISTRY, as in SCIENCE.....AND RELIGION---proving once again-
Science AND faith, often CAN and DO-go hand in hand.
For those with some actual functioning brain matter anyway.
I never said that science and faith can't go together. Where did you get that? I think it's a hard thing to do though. I know a few very intelligent people who have faith. These people never proselytize and when pushed on the topic admit that their faith gives them comfort even though it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with that.
Faith is a personal thing between you and your god. If you're not pushing it on me, or using my tax dollars to fund your faith, I'm good with it.

Unfortunately, people like my "faithful" friends are not the rational people you hear the most. You hear the zealots who want to convert as many as they can (probably because their religion dictates that they must).
EplurbisGawdurad uhmazz

Somerset, KY

#96325 Mar 17, 2013
youtube wrote:
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100% PROOF Pope Francis is ANTICHRIST______
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =moaXuWJryu8XX
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Sorry--that AUTOSPMAbot junk has already been lumped onto Obama.

Gong-do not pass go, go directly to jail. Try again-loser.

“See how you are?”

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Earth

#96326 Mar 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
What I find offensive is when someone berates another for what they believe with the intent of making them look stupid or less of an intelligent being. Bullying, if you will. No this is not ethical.
I prefer courtesy over insult.
If you feel a conversation is encouraging to the other party to keep believing what they believe, then you should refrain from the conversation if your only intent is to ridicule. That would be respectful.
But what if what they believe IS insultingly unintelligent? Shall I be respectful and courteous to the point of encouraging the southerner who covers his truck with stars 'n' bars and politely reinforce his claims that it is "heritage not hate?" Should one demurely abstain from conversation when he offers erroneous and confounded supportive arguments for his display?
DuhcultofOzombie tics

Somerset, KY

#96327 Mar 17, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
The only caveat I would add is that Rational people don't "Except" evolution as to me that that to the religious folks sounds like their mindset of "Belief"... Just Except the bible or some other text as the Word of God and we will all be Believers... I think rational people Understand the concept of Evolution and question it on an ongoing basis changing that understanding as new evidence is presented and verified.. Even the Scientific community falls prey to Excepting a view at times and allow it to become dogma then refuse to even consider new evidence or question old dogmatic views.. It many cases what is claimed as science is just as Belief based as any religion....
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#96328 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh GEEze...lol I forget where I am. Must I b politically correct? Lol
With all the other posts just thought it fit. Science does explain and admits there had to be a creator. I get humor from ppl who think we evolved from animals... To bad u don't c the humor. God did use a donkey ....so He can use me.... Whether u get me or not :-)
I don't get most of the nonsense on here either :-)
You're right, I don't see the humor in your posts. I see the rantings of someone who doesn't understand what they oppose.

And no, "science" does not explain or admit that there is a creator. The fact that you would write that displays your ignorance about what "science" is.
Eplurbishwatever

Somerset, KY

#96329 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Faith is a personal thing between you and your god. If you're not pushing it on me, or using my tax dollars to fund your faith, I'm good with it.
There ya go.

DING DING DING.

I have a REAL hard time understanding, what is SO complicated about that simple LOGICAL, rational thought process.

Just cannot fathom, being THAT ignorant, on EITHER side (pro or con) of the line...as to seeing it as if it should be any other way!!!!!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#96330 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
How did the Universe Begin? Dr. William Lane Craig
The case for a Creator Dr. Lee Strobel
Darwin or Design Paul A. Nelson
How Biology Points Toward God
Dr. Raymind Bolin
To give a few....
Holy crap, that's like a Who's Who of Crazytown! Strobel and Craig are notoriously dishonest in their argumentation. When facts won't back up your story go with smoke and mirrors, I guess.

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#96331 Mar 17, 2013
EplurbisGawduraduhmazz wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution from aquatic life maybe.
"Derrrwinian Apes" falling from the sky-no flocking way.
Science is STILL asking questions! Mostly because even they, do NOT know, all there is know to have all the answers!!
(and the really funny ones to watch are the ignotards that can only pretend in pretencious hypocricy, that they do. Nothing but Abject Ignorance, if it wasn't so pathetic at times, it would be funny, but it is, so it's not).
Thank you for giving a concrete example of ignorant zealots being the mouthpiece for those with faith.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#96332 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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I never said that science and faith can't go together. Where did you get that? I think it's a hard thing to do though. I know a few very intelligent people who have faith. These people never proselytize and when pushed on the topic admit that their faith gives them comfort even though it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with that.
Faith is a personal thing between you and your god. If you're not pushing it on me, or using my tax dollars to fund your faith, I'm good with it.
Unfortunately, people like my "faithful" friends are not the rational people you hear the most. You hear the zealots who want to convert as many as they can (probably because their religion dictates that they must).
I think reason and faith (being the basis of science and religion respectively) are at odds fundamentally. A person of faith could suspend their sense of reason in order to adhere to unreasonable claims, such as those found in the Bible. But I don't think it is possible for reason and faith to be active at the same time in a through process. At some point you are going to have to allow yourself to follow reason or you're going to have to make a choice not to.

And it isn't that reason disproves God or anything like that. The problem is that reason requires you to follow the evidence, wherever it leads. But faith requires you to believe something *regardless* of the evidence.

Nobody comes to Jesus Christ, for example, because of the evidence. Nobody.

It is actually antithetical to Christian faith to use to reason to find Christ. Particularly in the Protestant faiths. Both Calvin and Luther were pretty adamant that reason has jack-all to do with it. And the Bible contains passages telling you to basically ignore reason because it is a trick of the devil.
happy

Lexington, KY

#96333 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>You're right, I don't see the humor in your posts. I see the rantings of someone who doesn't understand what they oppose.

And no, "science" does not explain or admit that there is a creator. The fact that you would write that displays your ignorance about what "science" is.
I would rather b ignorant than have the beliefs you have :-) or don't have la de dah

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