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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 164794 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#96324 Mar 17, 2013
EplurbisGawduraduhmazz wrote:
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New Pope has a Masters in CHEMISTRY.(and a couple doctorates in other areas as well)
CHEMISTRY, as in SCIENCE.....AND RELIGION---proving once again-
Science AND faith, often CAN and DO-go hand in hand.
For those with some actual functioning brain matter anyway.
I never said that science and faith can't go together. Where did you get that? I think it's a hard thing to do though. I know a few very intelligent people who have faith. These people never proselytize and when pushed on the topic admit that their faith gives them comfort even though it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with that.
Faith is a personal thing between you and your god. If you're not pushing it on me, or using my tax dollars to fund your faith, I'm good with it.

Unfortunately, people like my "faithful" friends are not the rational people you hear the most. You hear the zealots who want to convert as many as they can (probably because their religion dictates that they must).
EplurbisGawdurad uhmazz

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#96325 Mar 17, 2013
youtube wrote:
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100% PROOF Pope Francis is ANTICHRIST______
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =moaXuWJryu8XX
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Sorry--that AUTOSPMAbot junk has already been lumped onto Obama.

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#96326 Mar 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What I find offensive is when someone berates another for what they believe with the intent of making them look stupid or less of an intelligent being. Bullying, if you will. No this is not ethical.
I prefer courtesy over insult.
If you feel a conversation is encouraging to the other party to keep believing what they believe, then you should refrain from the conversation if your only intent is to ridicule. That would be respectful.
But what if what they believe IS insultingly unintelligent? Shall I be respectful and courteous to the point of encouraging the southerner who covers his truck with stars 'n' bars and politely reinforce his claims that it is "heritage not hate?" Should one demurely abstain from conversation when he offers erroneous and confounded supportive arguments for his display?
DuhcultofOzombie tics

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#96327 Mar 17, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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The only caveat I would add is that Rational people don't "Except" evolution as to me that that to the religious folks sounds like their mindset of "Belief"... Just Except the bible or some other text as the Word of God and we will all be Believers... I think rational people Understand the concept of Evolution and question it on an ongoing basis changing that understanding as new evidence is presented and verified.. Even the Scientific community falls prey to Excepting a view at times and allow it to become dogma then refuse to even consider new evidence or question old dogmatic views.. It many cases what is claimed as science is just as Belief based as any religion....
all haiwll the orfice of obammy, duh current po'tash...bow at duh velveteenage pikture of to lick he feet, fwee tuh ebt cawrd holders everwhere!

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#96328 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
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Oh GEEze...lol I forget where I am. Must I b politically correct? Lol
With all the other posts just thought it fit. Science does explain and admits there had to be a creator. I get humor from ppl who think we evolved from animals... To bad u don't c the humor. God did use a donkey ....so He can use me.... Whether u get me or not :-)
I don't get most of the nonsense on here either :-)
You're right, I don't see the humor in your posts. I see the rantings of someone who doesn't understand what they oppose.

And no, "science" does not explain or admit that there is a creator. The fact that you would write that displays your ignorance about what "science" is.
Eplurbishwatever

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#96329 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Faith is a personal thing between you and your god. If you're not pushing it on me, or using my tax dollars to fund your faith, I'm good with it.
There ya go.

DING DING DING.

I have a REAL hard time understanding, what is SO complicated about that simple LOGICAL, rational thought process.

Just cannot fathom, being THAT ignorant, on EITHER side (pro or con) of the line...as to seeing it as if it should be any other way!!!!!

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#96330 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
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How did the Universe Begin? Dr. William Lane Craig
The case for a Creator Dr. Lee Strobel
Darwin or Design Paul A. Nelson
How Biology Points Toward God
Dr. Raymind Bolin
To give a few....
Holy crap, that's like a Who's Who of Crazytown! Strobel and Craig are notoriously dishonest in their argumentation. When facts won't back up your story go with smoke and mirrors, I guess.

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#96331 Mar 17, 2013
EplurbisGawduraduhmazz wrote:
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Evolution from aquatic life maybe.
"Derrrwinian Apes" falling from the sky-no flocking way.
Science is STILL asking questions! Mostly because even they, do NOT know, all there is know to have all the answers!!
(and the really funny ones to watch are the ignotards that can only pretend in pretencious hypocricy, that they do. Nothing but Abject Ignorance, if it wasn't so pathetic at times, it would be funny, but it is, so it's not).
Thank you for giving a concrete example of ignorant zealots being the mouthpiece for those with faith.

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#96332 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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I never said that science and faith can't go together. Where did you get that? I think it's a hard thing to do though. I know a few very intelligent people who have faith. These people never proselytize and when pushed on the topic admit that their faith gives them comfort even though it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with that.
Faith is a personal thing between you and your god. If you're not pushing it on me, or using my tax dollars to fund your faith, I'm good with it.
Unfortunately, people like my "faithful" friends are not the rational people you hear the most. You hear the zealots who want to convert as many as they can (probably because their religion dictates that they must).
I think reason and faith (being the basis of science and religion respectively) are at odds fundamentally. A person of faith could suspend their sense of reason in order to adhere to unreasonable claims, such as those found in the Bible. But I don't think it is possible for reason and faith to be active at the same time in a through process. At some point you are going to have to allow yourself to follow reason or you're going to have to make a choice not to.

And it isn't that reason disproves God or anything like that. The problem is that reason requires you to follow the evidence, wherever it leads. But faith requires you to believe something *regardless* of the evidence.

Nobody comes to Jesus Christ, for example, because of the evidence. Nobody.

It is actually antithetical to Christian faith to use to reason to find Christ. Particularly in the Protestant faiths. Both Calvin and Luther were pretty adamant that reason has jack-all to do with it. And the Bible contains passages telling you to basically ignore reason because it is a trick of the devil.
happy

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#96333 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>You're right, I don't see the humor in your posts. I see the rantings of someone who doesn't understand what they oppose.

And no, "science" does not explain or admit that there is a creator. The fact that you would write that displays your ignorance about what "science" is.
I would rather b ignorant than have the beliefs you have :-) or don't have la de dah
happy

Louisville, KY

#96334 Mar 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Holy crap, that's like a Who's Who of Crazytown! Strobel and Craig are notoriously dishonest in their argumentation. When facts won't back up your story go with smoke and mirrors, I guess.
Rofl ok. As long as we r breathing there's a chance to see the light and find the truth :-). Maybe someday ... Before u die... And enter eternity...

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#96335 Mar 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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I think reason and faith (being the basis of science and religion respectively) are at odds fundamentally. A person of faith could suspend their sense of reason in order to adhere to unreasonable claims, such as those found in the Bible. But I don't think it is possible for reason and faith to be active at the same time in a through process. At some point you are going to have to allow yourself to follow reason or you're going to have to make a choice not to.
And it isn't that reason disproves God or anything like that. The problem is that reason requires you to follow the evidence, wherever it leads. But faith requires you to believe something *regardless* of the evidence.
Nobody comes to Jesus Christ, for example, because of the evidence. Nobody.
It is actually antithetical to Christian faith to use to reason to find Christ. Particularly in the Protestant faiths. Both Calvin and Luther were pretty adamant that reason has jack-all to do with it. And the Bible contains passages telling you to basically ignore reason because it is a trick of the devil.
True, all true. On a personal level I agree with you. I can't imagine a future where I would have faith.
I'm just saying it is possible for people, through well practiced cognitive dissonance, to walk that high-wire (not to use reason to find Christ, but to shut reason out). And if that's what they choose to do, and as long as they aren't trying to convert people to do the same (or using my money to do it), then I'm fine with it.

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#96336 Mar 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Smith did not attain the Book of Abraham, he invented it. He was asked to translate some old Egyptian scrolls or something like that. He reluctantly agreed and the resulting text was the Book of Abraham, which he claimed was a lost book of the Bible.

At that time no one in the world could read ancient Egyptian. But later, when scholars did figure it out, they took a look at Smith's version of the story and compared it to what the Egyptian scrolls actually said.

They were not remotely the same thing. The scrolls were just some bits from a traditional Egyptian funerary book, or something like that. What Smith wrote was a story about Biblical characters.

So, he made it up, basically hoping nobody would learn to read ancient Egyptian.

That, among many other things, is one of the reasons that Smith and the entire Mormon tradition is widely seen as a fraud.

Google it if you don't believe me. I'm going by memory on this one but that is the way the story goes. It's actually pretty fascinating. There's a lot more detail to it than what I'm remembering. I think the Book of Abraham was included in the Book of Mormon for many years but after the original was translated properly the LDS stopped printing it in the BoM.

Is it in the current copy of the BoM? If not, why?

Is this story told to young Mormons learning about the history of their religion?
Not this story, but the actual story is written in Joseph Smith History.
A group of people were traveling through making money by showing off mummies and some other items. Joseph was impressed to buy some of the items. Among the items purchased were several papyri scrolls. One if which was the story of Abraham while in Egypt. The funerary scripts were among the papyri as well, and is now in a museum. He kept the Book of Abraham separate. I don't know where it's location is now.
This Book is a part of our standard scriptures and is included in what we call the Pearl of Great Price.

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#96337 Mar 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>If Kolob is mentioned as being close to God why is it irrelevant?

You seem like a smart, kind person. I have no beef with you. But I cannot respect beliefs if they are not founded on good reason. The BoM is a silly book and the LDS is a church based on misinformation and fraud. I can't respect that.

Mormons are good people, on the whole. Its just that they are chained to a really silly religious tradition. Notice how over time the face of the LDS gets more and more mainstream. They speak less and less about their more...eccentric views and ideas.

But the internet will not allow things like Kolob and "white and delightsome" skin color go unknown.
Actually, I think I'm speaking pretty openly about everything.
Have you read the Book of Mormon? I don't remember thinking it was silly, even when I wasn't a member.
The whole reason the church is appearing mainstream, is because the members are much more visible, and for the first time in 200 years, people are seeing that we aren't as weird as we were thought to be.
People actually thought we had horns, aren't allowed to dance, don't use electricity, etc.

If you believe Mormons are good people, why wouldn't you want to know what drives their values to be so high, instead of attacking what you THINK they believe?
God says you will know His people by their fruits.

The reason I personally think Kolob is irrelevant is because it doesn't affect my salvation.

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#96338 Mar 17, 2013
happy wrote:
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I would rather b ignorant than have the beliefs you have :-) or don't have la de dah
Well, at least you admit you're ignorant about the things you disagree with. I guess admitting you have a problem is a start.
happy

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#96339 Mar 17, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Well, at least you admit you're ignorant about the things you disagree with. I guess admitting you have a problem is a start.
Again la de dah. And I'm HAPPY and going to Heaven. Ignorance and all :-)

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#96340 Mar 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Not this story, but the actual story is written in Joseph Smith History.
A group of people were traveling through making money by showing off mummies and some other items. Joseph was impressed to buy some of the items. Among the items purchased were several papyri scrolls. One if which was the story of Abraham while in Egypt. The funerary scripts were among the papyri as well, and is now in a museum. He kept the Book of Abraham separate. I don't know where it's location is now.
This Book is a part of our standard scriptures and is included in what we call the Pearl of Great Price.
No offense, but that is a bunch LDS propaganda. Step outside the LDS circles and you will find that nobody takes the Book of Abraham seriously. Smith did not have any idea how to read ancient Egyptian. In fact nobody at the time had figured it out.

The LDS itself wanted to have the papyri translated to validate their Prophet. But it turns out he was wrong. It had nothing at all to do with Abraham.

And this argument that *some* of the papyri were related to Abraham, and kept separate...that's just batty. Do you not see that this is a post hoc rationalization?

Smith was an obvious fraud. I don't know how an otherwise intelligent person could not see that.

And we're just talking about one little element of the fraud. We could go into a slew of other problems with the BoM. Everything from "white and delightsome" skin color to where in the heck are the archeological remnants of the battles that Smith describes taking place *right here* the USA?

It's a very, very silly religion. Luckily nobody takes it too seriously so most Mormons are just regular people. But it has to take a lot of energy to carry around that much cognitive dissonance every day.

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#96341 Mar 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Do you accept that Muslims also experience God via their Prophet? If so, how are the two compatible? They speak of explicitly different ideas. Do you hold that both can be true at the same time?
I believe that the Spirit of God can be everywhere. Its presence can be felt by all. I believe that God can speak to man anytime He feels necessary. I believe He can call a prophet to be His mouthpiece in different locations at the same time. I also believe that prophets are not perfect, because they are human and fallible. But I do not think that everyone that professes to be a prophet, is actually a prophet.
Truth can be spoken by anyone, but the difference is, a prophet is the person set apart to lead God's people and speak His words to them.

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#96342 Mar 17, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Bullsh it
Care to expound?

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#96343 Mar 17, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
So explain to me how your god was afraid that when man built the tower of Babble they would reach heaven and nothing would be denied them but when we built tall buildings and sent men to space your god was silent.
If man could reach heaven from a tall tower how come telescopes and spacecraft do not find heaven?
I don't recall God being afraid they would reach Heaven. I remember God seeing that people had become so wicked and that they thought they could get to Heaven on their own, instead of how He designed. So He confounded their languages and sent them to different lands.

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