Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141498 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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harpocrates

Winchester, KY

#95784 Mar 6, 2013
WhattheBibleCanteach wrote:
<quoted text>
And what you posted teaches morality and decency towards others how?
idolatry is not considered moral by anyone but the profane.

he who wishes to be greatest must be servant to all.

thus he who wishes to be greatest does not recognize any difference between self and other self.

it's called the LAW of ONE by some.

jehovah is not the name.

imagine an infinite number of tongues all describing the same ONE in their own language and from differing cultures, or points in space/time.

babel

rev 8:1

Psalm 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95785 Mar 6, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>idolatry is not considered moral by anyone but the profane.
he who wishes to be greatest must be servant to all.
thus he who wishes to be greatest does not recognize any difference between self and other self.
it's called the LAW of ONE by some.
jehovah is not the name.
imagine an infinite number of tongues all describing the same ONE in their own language and from differing cultures, or points in space/time.
babel
rev 8:1
Psalm 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
The idoltry thing is comprehendable...idle hands, devils playground, or did you mean idoltry as in-
“Rationalists are admirable beings, rationalism is a hideous monster when it claims for itself omnipotence. Attribution of omnipotence to reason is as bad a piece of idolatry as is worship of stock and stone believing it to be God. I plead not for the suppression of reason, but for a due recognition of that in us which sanctifies reason.”(Ghandi)
or
“Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes.”(Pope JP II)
But the rest...Maybe next time try it en Englais?(or did you mean to say, see how the same story sometimes actually exists through out MANY "different religions"?) therefore not actually being as "babelish" as such may seem?
Bueller, Fenris anyone?
harpocrates

Winchester, KY

#95786 Mar 6, 2013
Blahblahblah wrote:
<quoted text>
The idoltry thing is comprehendable...idle hands, devils playground, or did you mean idoltry as in-
“Rationalists are admirable beings, rationalism is a hideous monster when it claims for itself omnipotence. Attribution of omnipotence to reason is as bad a piece of idolatry as is worship of stock and stone believing it to be God. I plead not for the suppression of reason, but for a due recognition of that in us which sanctifies reason.”(Ghandi)
or
“Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes.”(Pope JP II)
But the rest...Maybe next time try it en Englais?(or did you mean to say, see how the same story sometimes actually exists through out MANY "different religions"?) therefore not actually being as "babelish" as such may seem?
Bueller, Fenris anyone?
idolatry as in worshiping the beast, the abomination that causes desolation, spoken by daniel.

what was it said in the reveal?

Revelation 10:11
And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

romans 1: 22-23
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,

Daniel 7:11
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Acts 7:42
Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

it was given that it would come like a thief in the night

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

i require mercy and not sacrifice

isaiah 66

3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
harpocrates

Winchester, KY

#95787 Mar 6, 2013
Blahblahblah wrote:
<quoted text>
The idoltry thing is comprehendable...idle hands, devils playground, or did you mean idoltry as in-
“Rationalists are admirable beings, rationalism is a hideous monster when it claims for itself omnipotence. Attribution of omnipotence to reason is as bad a piece of idolatry as is worship of stock and stone believing it to be God. I plead not for the suppression of reason, but for a due recognition of that in us which sanctifies reason.”(Ghandi)
or
“Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes.”(Pope JP II)
But the rest...Maybe next time try it en Englais?(or did you mean to say, see how the same story sometimes actually exists through out MANY "different religions"?) therefore not actually being as "babelish" as such may seem?
Bueller, Fenris anyone?
kiss me judas

your kiss is cosmic

i'm ready to go into the light coming out of the dark

Psalm 112:4
Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness: he is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.
harpocrates

Winchester, KY

#95788 Mar 6, 2013
Blahblahblah wrote:
<quoted text>
In my opinion, ANY and all "extremism" is at some level "freakish".
No matter....etc :-).
everyone has a darkside

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

could you be a devil?
could you be an angel?

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Luke 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

behold i come like a thief blessed is he who stays awake, lest he go naked and they see his shame.

want to be a victim
ready for abduction

Psalm 97:4
His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

i'll be there when you vibrate

2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

this is transcendental
on another level
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95789 Mar 6, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>idolatry is not considered moral by anyone but the profane.
he who wishes to be greatest must be servant to all.
thus he who wishes to be greatest does not recognize any difference between self and other self.
it's called the LAW of ONE by some.
jehovah is not the name.
imagine an infinite number of tongues all describing the same ONE in their own language and from differing cultures, or points in space/time.
babel
rev 8:1
Psalm 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
You are correct no one knows exactly how God's name was pronounced in Hebrew but Jehovah is the accepted way in English. You can go into any culture and any language and say the name Jehovah and it is close enough so they know who you are talking about. That is good enough for me! What name do you prefer and use?
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95790 Mar 6, 2013
REMEMBER, JEHOVAH IS WITH US!

John 14:12
We are now privileged to share in the GREATEST WORK ever entrusted to God’s human servants---that of declaring the Kingdom message and making disciples.(Matt.24:14; 28:19,20) We now (in 2011) number 7,224,934 and put in 1,707,094,710 hours and conducted on the average 8,490,746 Bible studies. How grateful we are for Jesus’ matchless example! He “went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God.”(Luke 8:1) Like him, we need faith and courage in order to preach the Kingdom message. With God’s help, we can be like courageous Noah, an intrepid “preacher of righteousness” to “a world of ungodly people” about to perish in a global deluge.- 2 Peter 2:4,5.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95791 Mar 7, 2013
PanderBear wrote:
<quoted text>

Aesops Fables not a bad little book, or William Bennetts, the "Book of Virtues", and certainly there's many others. But just because one might not like what the bible says, does not give license to heretics and charlatans to ban it.
This is a "free to read what anyone wishes to nation"-so long as anyone is NOT harming others with what they (merely) interpret.
I didn't say anything about banning books. I would gladly fight to keep the Bible or any other book from being banned.

What I said was "be critical". Criticism is VITAL to getting as close to the truth as possible. It is what makes science work. And if you have any doubts about it just consider that your computer, phone, and (if you take them) medicines are a result of this critical endeavor.

We went to the Moon based on it.

So when American Christians travel to poor nations and pass out the Bible without criticism of it they engender the kind of witch-hunting that we see happening over there. In Uganga they want to kill homosexuals. The Bible gives them a text book upon which to base that hateful proposition.

Without room for criticism a book becomes a weapon. For pete's sake, don't ban it. But do not EVER let it stand above criticism.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95792 Mar 7, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>doesn't have to specifically state that atheism is a belief system. regarding epistomology.
Sections 3 and 4 further investigate the epistemic role of perception and introduce two distinct conceptions of the architecture of our belief system: foundationalism and coherentism. It is shown how perceptual experience and perceptual beliefs are integrated into these systems. Finally, section 5 turns to the externalist view that thinkers need not be aware of what justifies their perceptual beliefs.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/epis-per/
<quoted text>
what you think is the whole point of this argument. thinking is of the mind. it isn't of any thing else.
can you show me an accurate image of the mind? can you describe it's fundamental properties?
I thought we were arguing about atheism being or not being a "belief system". How did we now come to me being asked to describe the mind?

Can you not simply concede that atheism follows from a system of beliefs and is not in and of itself a belief system? Then we can move on to minds and cool things like that.
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95793 Mar 7, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>idolatry as in worshiping the beast,
Revelations is best read by adults with some reading comprehension, for themselves, so that they may be able to discern in wisdom, that which is evil, from that which is good.

Please stay AWAY from the innocent children, children deserve enlightenment and lightness, darkness is for those who reap it for themselves.

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Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with acceptance and friendliness, they learn the world can be a nice place in which to live.

Copyright © 1972 by Dorothy Law Nolte
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95794 Mar 7, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>kiss me judas
your kiss is cosmic
i'm ready to go into the light coming out of the dark
Psalm 112:4
Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness: he is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.
Judas was a "coward and a traitor", to that which was good. Perhaps because of the negative vileness that surrounded him.

And your off the wall, twisted and warped misligned not even a biblical quote teaches what?

No good anything?

That's what I thought.

MORE on Judas?

He made a conscience choice to betray Jesus - Luke 22:48.
He was a thief with greed in his heart - John 12:6.
Jesus knew Judas' heart was set on evil and that he would not repent - John 6:70, John 17:12.
Judas' act of betrayal was part of God's sovereign plan - Psalm 41:9, Zechariah 11:12-13, Matthew 20:18 and 26:20-25, Acts 1:16,20.

LESSONS to be LEARNED from the same

Life Lessons:

"An outward show of loyalty to Jesus is meaningless unless we also follow Christ in our heart. Satan and the world will try to get us to betray Jesus, so we must ask the Holy Spirit for help in resisting them.

Although Judas attempted to undo the harm he had done, he failed to seek the Lord's forgiveness. Thinking it was too late for him, Judas ended his life."

The BEST LESSON being:
"As long as we are alive and have breath, it's never too late to come to God for forgiveness and cleansing from sin. Sadly, Judas, who had been given the opportunity to walk in close fellowship with Jesus, completely missed the most important message of Christ's ministry."

FORGIVENESS of others, as well as self.
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95795 Mar 7, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>
everyone has a darkside
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
could you be a devil?
could you be an angel?
Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Luke 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
behold i come like a thief blessed is he who stays awake, lest he go naked and they see his shame.
want to be a victim
ready for abduction
Psalm 97:4
His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.
i'll be there when you vibrate
2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
this is transcendental
on another level
It sounds like PERVERSION, with extreme lacking in comprehension or any REAL truth.
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95796 Mar 7, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say anything about banning books. I would gladly fight to keep the Bible or any other book from being banned.
What I said was "be critical". Criticism is VITAL to getting as close to the truth as possible. It is what makes science work. And if you have any doubts about it just consider that your computer, phone, and (if you take them) medicines are a result of this critical endeavor.
We went to the Moon based on it.
So when American Christians travel to poor nations and pass out the Bible without criticism of it they engender the kind of witch-hunting that we see happening over there. In Uganga they want to kill homosexuals. The Bible gives them a text book upon which to base that hateful proposition.
Without room for criticism a book becomes a weapon. For pete's sake, don't ban it. But do not EVER let it stand above criticism.
Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.

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I only stoop to such ignorance, when confronting it in action.
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95797 Mar 7, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say anything about banning books. I would gladly fight to keep the Bible or any other book from being banned.
What I said was "be critical". Criticism is VITAL to getting as close to the truth as possible. It is what makes science work. And if you have any doubts about it just consider that your computer, phone, and (if you take them) medicines are a result of this critical endeavor.
We went to the Moon based on it.
So when American Christians travel to poor nations and pass out the Bible without criticism of it they engender the kind of witch-hunting that we see happening over there. In Uganga they want to kill homosexuals. The Bible gives them a text book upon which to base that hateful proposition.
Without room for criticism a book becomes a weapon. For pete's sake, don't ban it. But do not EVER let it stand above criticism.
And if they travel to other nations and teach it in enlightenment, rather than in darkness and condmenation, they teach acceptance of the world as it IS, of others as they are, IMPERFECTIONS and all. Not as some imaginary place of perfection, OR as they would "wish it to be".

Because nothing or any one, is "perfect".
Blahblahblah

Somerset, KY

#95798 Mar 7, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say anything about banning books. I would gladly fight to keep the Bible or any other book from being banned.
What I said was "be critical". Criticism is VITAL to getting as close to the truth as possible. It is what makes science work. And if you have any doubts about it just consider that your computer, phone, and (if you take them) medicines are a result of this critical endeavor.
We went to the Moon based on it.
So when American Christians travel to poor nations and pass out the Bible without criticism of it they engender the kind of witch-hunting that we see happening over there. In Uganga they want to kill homosexuals. The Bible gives them a text book upon which to base that hateful proposition.
Without room for criticism a book becomes a weapon. For pete's sake, don't ban it. But do not EVER let it stand above criticism.>
and I think YOU need to "discern" a little more, as in think deeper, as in "critical thinking"-
"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness. "

versus just being "critical" out of nothing more than repugnent hatefulness-

Definition of CRITICAL

crit·i·cal
[krit-i-kuhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
inclined to find fault or to judge with severity, often too readily.
2.
occupied with or skilled in criticism.

There IS a difference. A HUGE and rather VAST one.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#95799 Mar 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
You can never have too much God or Bible! And as far as I am concerned, tax dollars could not be spent in any better way! Btw this is a GOD fearing individual as well!
Amen!
Great post!
How stupid can you be

Richmond, KY

#95800 Mar 7, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
wow, wont even give a try will ya? guess u know that prayer isnt answered but to do my challenge will just show just how stupid the bible claims are becuz no matter how many of your ppl pray, i will never see the resurrected christ. but if u were doin your duties as a cjristian u would be tryin to save each and every soul u encounter or kill it when it dont convert. u are just another bible thumping hypocrit i guess.
(1) We always do pray for the lost!
(2) You will meet the Resurrected Lord Jesus, as Everyone will!
At that time you will WANT to see Him, or you will dread it..
IT IS YOUR CHOICE!
(3) We do want you saved... refer to #1
(4) Christians do NOT Kill the non-converted! You've got it wrong!
(5) God is real, and your belief in Him has nothing to do with it!
(6) Knowing God is real, even IF I was not saved... I'd still
tell you about Him, as I'd still want you saved!
Good day :-)
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#95801 Mar 7, 2013
WhattheBibleCanteach wrote:
<quoted text>
"A certain man was going down the lonely road from Jerusalem to Jericho; and he fell among robbers, who stripped him of all that he had and beat him; and then went away, leaving him almost dead. It happened that a certain priest was going down that road; and when he saw the man lying there, he passed by on the other side. And a Levite, also, when he came to the place, and saw the man, he too went by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he was going down, came where this man was; and as soon as he saw him, he felt a pity for him. He came to the man, and dressed his wounds, pouring oil and wine into them. Then he lifted him up, and set him on his own beast of burden, and walked beside him to an inn. There he took care of him all night; and the next morning he took out from his purse two shillings, and gave them to the keeper of the inn, and said:'Take care of him; and if you need to spend more than this, do so; and when I come again I will pay it to you.'"
"Which one of these three, do you think, showed himself a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?"
The scribe said: "The one who showed mercy on him."
Then Jesus said to him: "Go and do thou likewise."
By this parable, Jesus showed that "our neighbor" is the one who needs the help that we can give him, whoever they may be.
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"A man fell victim to robbers as he went down from Jerusalem to Jericho. They stripped him and beat him and went off leaving him half-dead." Then Jesus described the actions of three men who passed the injured man. The first man was a priest. When he saw the man, he crossed the road and ignored him. The next man was a Levite. He, too, chose to cross to the other side of the road and continue on his way. But the third man was a Samaritan.
The Samaritans and the Jews have hated each other for centuries. Jesus knew the people were probably expecting the Samaritan in the story to cross the road as well. Jesus continued his story. "But a Samaritan traveler who came upon him was moved with compassion at the sight. He approached the victim, poured oil and wine over his wounds and bandaged them. Then he lifted him up on his own animal, took him to an inn and cared for him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper with the instruction,'Take care of him. If you spend more than what I have given you, I shall repay you on my way back.'"
Then Jesus looked into the man's eyes and asked him,“Which of these three, in your opinion, was neighbor to the robbers’ victim?" The man said plainly, "The one who treated him with mercy." Then Jesus said, "Go and do likewise."
The parable of "The Good Samaritan, aka the Good Shepherd."
Great post!
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#95802 Mar 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct no one knows exactly how God's name was pronounced in Hebrew but Jehovah is the accepted way in English. You can go into any culture and any language and say the name Jehovah and it is close enough so they know who you are talking about. That is good enough for me! What name do you prefer and use?
the name of names.

tat

ahmi

ehyeh

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#95803 Mar 7, 2013
Blahblahblah wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds like PERVERSION, with extreme lacking in comprehension or any REAL truth.
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

where in the world can my lover be?
where in this wonderful world is there someone for me?

Song of Solomon 2:8
The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

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