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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142990 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95572 Mar 2, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Public libraries are fantastic sources of information. The Watchtower is unequivocally NOT a good source of information. If you think their writings are well researched then you do not understand what the word “research” actually means. Their writings are intended to make you believe in JW, period and end of story. Truth is not part of their agenda. You do not get at truth by holding a concrete belief and then forcing everything else to fit that belief. Rather, you begin with as few biases as possible and allow the evidence to guide you. According to most theist faiths allowing reason and evidence to guide you is tantamount to giving Satan a key to your house.
Talkorigins has a great little critique of the JW book “Life”, which is a notoriously deceptive anti-science religious text that they pass off as a “science” book.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jw-book.html
The History Channel is a joke. Ask anyone who knows anything about anything. When you call yourself History Channel and your primary programming is about aliens and pawn shops you have a serious problem. Discovery Channel is just as terrible.
Now, you've revealed some of your sources of information. But the heart of my question to you was how do you determine the merit of information? How do you evaluate a truth claim about the world?
For example, if I said to you “There is probably no such thing as ghosts.” what would be your response? What method would you use to decide if you agree or not? Your sources are important, but they are secondary to your method. Even the Public Library has crap books.
I was so disappointed with your comments. I expected you to make negative comments about my sources of research but what was disappointind was that I thoroughy expected you to suggest a much better source for doing research but you recommended none!
Evidently my sources far exceed yours.
Of course my main source is God's word the Bible and that goes without saying!
RAPIDFIRE

Corbin, KY

#95573 Mar 2, 2013
Every WORD in the HOLY BIBLE is the TRUTH . GOD said : I am the TRUTH , THE LIGHT , and the way : The BIBLE also says that GOD created man from the dust of the earth, and to the dust he shall return. our modern day scientists and chemical engineers among others , have PROVED that every chemical and/or matter that the human body is made up of , IS found in the earth. ther're is NO lie or false information in the BIBLE . If you want mor e PROOF , then I can do this all the day long... world was once flooded ? YES . Go on the mountain , pick one , any one . I will show you sea shells under clift lines,sea fossels in the stone,....want more PROOF ? I can do this all the day long. You don't want to hear it though,because satan, and/or evil spirits haunt your soul within , and they flee from GODs word, as to quietness,make silly comments,change the subject, or any other " deceitful trick " to avoid the TRUTH, which IS GODs WORD. want to talk about the signs of the end days ? how about some REVELATIONS ? I can do this all the day long ! thik this world is getting evil ? don't get me started . you WIL lose
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95574 Mar 2, 2013
Dear "Yiago"
What do you think of this research?

HELL sheol / hades

The Hebrew word sheohl occurs 65 times in the Masoretic text (Old Testament). In the King James Version, it is translated 31 times as “hell,” 31 times as “grave,” and 3 times as “pit.” The Catholic Douay Version rendered the word 63 times as “hell,” once as “pit,” and once as “death.” In addition, at Isaiah 7:11 the Hebrew text originally read sheohl, and it was rendered as “Hades” in the ancient Greek versions.

On the day of Pentecost 33 C.E., the apostle Peter quoted from Psalm 16:10 and applied it to Christ Jesus. Luke, in quoting Peter’s words, used the Greek word haides, thereby showing that Sheol and Hades refer to the same thing, mankind’s common grave.(Ac 2:25-27, 29-32)

Regarding Sheol, the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1971, Vol. 11, p. 276) noted:“Sheol was located somewhere ‘under’ the earth.... The state of the dead was one of neither pain nor pleasure. Neither reward for the righteous nor punishment for the wicked was associated with Sheol. The good and the bad alike, tyrants and saints, kings and orphans, Israelites and gentiles—all slept together without awareness of one another.”

While the Greek teaching of the immortality of the human soul infiltrated Jewish religious thinking in later centuries, the Bible record shows that Sheol refers to mankind’s common grave as a place where there is no consciousness.(Ec 9:4-6, 10)

Throughout the inspired Scriptures, Sheol is continually associated with death and not life.(1Sa 2:6; 2Sa 22:6; Ps 18:4, 5; 49:7-10, 14, 15; 88:2-6; 89:48; Isa 28:15-18; also compare Ps 116:3, 7-10 with 2Co 4:13, 14.) It is spoken of as “the land of darkness”(Job 10:21) and a place of silence.(Ps 115:17) Abel apparently was the first one to go to Sheol, and since then countless millions of human dead have joined him in the dust of the ground.
"Yiago"
I await your response to this research.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95575 Mar 2, 2013
RAPIDFIRE wrote:
Every WORD in the HOLY BIBLE is the TRUTH . GOD said : I am the TRUTH , THE LIGHT , and the way : The BIBLE also says that GOD created man from the dust of the earth, and to the dust he shall return. our modern day scientists and chemical engineers among others , have PROVED that every chemical and/or matter that the human body is made up of , IS found in the earth. ther're is NO lie or false information in the BIBLE . If you want mor e PROOF , then I can do this all the day long... world was once flooded ? YES . Go on the mountain , pick one , any one . I will show you sea shells under clift lines,sea fossels in the stone,....want more PROOF ? I can do this all the day long. You don't want to hear it though,because satan, and/or evil spirits haunt your soul within , and they flee from GODs word, as to quietness,make silly comments,change the subject, or any other " deceitful trick " to avoid the TRUTH, which IS GODs WORD. want to talk about the signs of the end days ? how about some REVELATIONS ? I can do this all the day long ! thik this world is getting evil ? don't get me started . you WIL lose
Than why do you ignore most of what the bible says?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95576 Mar 2, 2013
RAPIDFIRE wrote:
Every WORD in the HOLY BIBLE is the TRUTH . GOD said : I am the TRUTH , THE LIGHT , and the way : The BIBLE also says that GOD created man from the dust of the earth, and to the dust he shall return. our modern day scientists and chemical engineers among others , have PROVED that every chemical and/or matter that the human body is made up of , IS found in the earth. ther're is NO lie or false information in the BIBLE . If you want mor e PROOF , then I can do this all the day long... world was once flooded ? YES . Go on the mountain , pick one , any one . I will show you sea shells under clift lines,sea fossels in the stone,....want more PROOF ? I can do this all the day long. You don't want to hear it though,because satan, and/or evil spirits haunt your soul within , and they flee from GODs word, as to quietness,make silly comments,change the subject, or any other " deceitful trick " to avoid the TRUTH, which IS GODs WORD. want to talk about the signs of the end days ? how about some REVELATIONS ? I can do this all the day long ! thik this world is getting evil ? don't get me started . you WIL lose
Jehovah is the evil devil who has tricked you with lies. It is Jehovah who wants to control you, read the bible and see how evil jehovah is! You have been decieved by the evil devil jehovah

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#95577 Mar 2, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Hahahahha!
Your ignorance is just as bad as his (SP)!
.
"voice inside your head that says "hey, I LIKE that so I'll believe it?" No evidence necessary, just your own desires."
.
Here is proof of your ignorance...
(1) The voice is not always in my head...
(2) I Liked Slamming Meth..
I liked having sex for 4-6 hours...
I liked doing nasty things....
Those WERE MY DESIRES!
(3) The Lord TOOK all those things away from me!
and gave me a new Heart...
One that knows Killing Babies for fun n profit is WRONG...
that Same sex relationships are an abomination, that gays
should NOT be in charge of lil boys in scouting, and camping
in the woods...
That, there is RIGHT n WRONG, and NOW...
I do NOT like Doing Wrong... Doing Right is now my desire!
Case closed, end of story!
God is real, God is Good!
He saved me, and He can save you too!
"YOUR CHOICE"... Choose wisely!
Yaa--"I was a bad man but now I'm good. So please don't let me die. I'm getting old and know that I'm going to die one of these days soon. It scares the bejebus out of me. I'll be good, I will, I promise!"

It's sad and, in many ways, really amazing what overpowering guilt has done to your mind...
along with the meth, that is.
what

Elkhorn City, KY

#95578 Mar 3, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no.... We know God is real...
We just want you to KNOW it TOO!
The end is coming for each of us... even you!
Life is choices, your either on one side or the other...
Good, or Evil...
Sure... you may help feed some kids, or whatever, but does
that negate your support of Plannened baby killers?
No! Not at all!
The only thing that makes you right with God is Jesus!
I Hope you meet Him soon!
Good day!
so u agree with rapist (including pedophiles) and murderers and any other violent criminal gettin forgiveness and god lettin him slide on the bad he done cuz he said im sorry. flip the side and a person that has given any thing extra at all to someone else so they dont go hungry or go out of the way to help everyone but says i dont believe in god is gonna be sent to hell to burn forever. thats the kind of god u worship, u can do any evil, violent, and plain wrong to anyone and everyone but when u get old and start to die u can feel guilty for bein a prick your whole life and just go to church and say im sorry cuz idont want to go to hell and god just says sure thing, all the kids or family members lives that u have ruin is perfectly ok becuz u believe in me and u are sorry. but model "christian" moral followers (since u claim morals come from the bible...NOT) will be burnt in hell for eternity just cuz ehy couldnt believe in a story that has no kind of proof other than faith. kind of a vain god u got goin on there.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95579 Mar 3, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
I was so disappointed with your comments. I expected you to make negative comments about my sources of research but what was disappointind was that I thoroughy expected you to suggest a much better source for doing research but you recommended none!
Evidently my sources far exceed yours.
Of course my main source is God's word the Bible and that goes without saying!
When you decided that your religion offered the truest version of reality what was the reasoning that lead to that conclusion? How much room do you allow for other ideas to compete with your religious affiliation's ideas?

For example, let's say I'm a Scientologist. Someone tells me that L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology first as an alternative to psychiatry then changed it to a religion because there was more money in it. Let's say that I've been taught by the church that Hubbard made that change only because of the evil IRS trying to destroy him. Yet every source I can dig up outside the church supports the idea that Hubbard's main goal was always to be rich and powerful, not to speak the truth about reality.

If I am genuinely interested in seeking a good understanding of reality I would consider the evidence against Hubbard to be heavier than the evidence for him. Hard as it might be, I might have to break from my religion rather than sacrifice my reason and self-determination.

If you were in that same situation would you allow your devotion to your church outweigh your sense of reason? I ask this because I know that in the Bible there are passages that tell you to resist the words of non-believers. So what I want to know is would you truly resist your own sense of reason and the sound arguments of non-believers and adhere to something that seems to be false or highly unlikely to be true?

Which is more important, faith or reason?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95580 Mar 3, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
We have a public library here in our neighborhood that is one good place to go to do research on almost any subject. There is Wickipedia on line. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society publishes information on almost any subject and every article is well reasearched and the source is listed so one can check for accurcy. I watch quite a bit of TV like the History channel. I am always careful to not accept everything. Some sources are very misleading especially information about Jehovah's Witnesses. I am always surprised how so many will post outright lies with nothing to support their statements.
Now I've revealed some of the sources for my information.
I await for your sources and how you determine if something is true or not.
This should be a slam dunk then.
CrMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Give us the hard (and accurate should go without asking) facts based on universal laws that prove the Earth's land masses were completely submerged 4,500 years ago.
A mere 4,500 years ago.
Still waiting...
We_Are_Many

Pikeville, KY

#95582 Mar 3, 2013
I've not read all the comments but I think Bible study in school is a good thing. Keep out denomination and just teach the teachings of Christ. People can (and I know some) use scripture to control. Just watch the Book of Eli and you will see most modern churches. The apostles didn't go around giving out titles. Stay in the Bible and leave out man's ideas and opinions. Denomination is dangerous. When we are all living with Christ there will be many there with different back grounds.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95583 Mar 3, 2013
We_Are_Many wrote:
I've not read all the comments but I think Bible study in school is a good thing. Keep out denomination and just teach the teachings of Christ. People can (and I know some) use scripture to control. Just watch the Book of Eli and you will see most modern churches. The apostles didn't go around giving out titles. Stay in the Bible and leave out man's ideas and opinions. Denomination is dangerous. When we are all living with Christ there will be many there with different back grounds.
To burst your bubble, but the bible does not say you will live with christ. The bible says that you will prostate yourself before god on his throne and for all eternity you will sing praises to god,
Your idea of heaven is not what the bible says so if you are just making up fantasy why not admit that your whole religion is fantasy
We_Are_Many

Pikeville, KY

#95584 Mar 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>To burst your bubble, but the bible does not say you will live with christ. The bible says that you will prostate yourself before god on his throne and for all eternity you will sing praises to god,
Your idea of heaven is not what the bible says so if you are just making up fantasy why not admit that your whole religion is fantasy
Friend I'm not talking about Heaven. I was actually referring to the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. Denomination is nothing more than a system. I know quiet a bit about the Lord's planet! I teach, not debate. Reply if you like, I will not.
We_Are_Many

Pikeville, KY

#95585 Mar 3, 2013
Oh and yes the Bible does say we will live with Christ. Paul writes about this, John writes about this. Yes, we will hang out with Joshua. I plan on asking Joshua about his child hood. The Bible goes from his birth, to a small story about age 12, then age 30, to his death which was at 33 and a half.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95586 Mar 3, 2013
So you got nothing, just like a religie.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95587 Mar 3, 2013
"In 1955 Cecil B. DeMille was filming The ten commandments and he wrote to the FOE to commend them on their work in distributing copies of the ten commandments. He suggested that they make larger monuments that could be placed at court houses and public parks, etc.
The FOE liked the idea and they worked with DeMille to promote his movie by unveiling monuments across the country just prior to its opening, with actors from the movie present at the unveilings. All in all 145 monuments were dedicated around the country before and after the release of the movie."

Lmao, go figure.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95588 Mar 3, 2013
We_Are_Many wrote:
Oh and yes the Bible does say we will live with Christ. Paul writes about this, John writes about this. Yes, we will hang out with Joshua. I plan on asking Joshua about his child hood. The Bible goes from his birth, to a small story about age 12, then age 30, to his death which was at 33 and a half.
You "plan on asking Joshua about his childhood?" You teach, not debate? GUFFAW! Your version of Christianity is a 'nanerbutter sammich based completely on the doctrines that were invented after Jesus had left the building.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95589 Mar 3, 2013
The bible "says", lol. Moby Dick also fiction like the bible "says", "That ain't no whale; that a great white god.". Pip is also a fictional person just like "god in a jesus suit", maybe you religies should switch books you idiots could swim with your god.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95592 Mar 3, 2013
I can not believe that any one really thinks any of the jewish based religions are true. The christian cult denies its roots so they know that it is fiction, I should say Abrahamic cults because the Muslums are almost as evil as the Jews and christians (almost as evil because they are brain washed from babies while the christian cult makes their religion up as they go)
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95593 Mar 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
When you decided that your religion offered the truest version of reality what was the reasoning that lead to that conclusion? How much room do you allow for other ideas to compete with your religious affiliation's ideas?
For example, let's say I'm a Scientologist. Someone tells me that L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology first as an alternative to psychiatry then changed it to a religion because there was more money in it. Let's say that I've been taught by the church that Hubbard made that change only because of the evil IRS trying to destroy him. Yet every source I can dig up outside the church supports the idea that Hubbard's main goal was always to be rich and powerful, not to speak the truth about reality.
If I am genuinely interested in seeking a good understanding of reality I would consider the evidence against Hubbard to be heavier than the evidence for him. Hard as it might be, I might have to break from my religion rather than sacrifice my reason and self-determination.
If you were in that same situation would you allow your devotion to your church outweigh your sense of reason? I ask this because I know that in the Bible there are passages that tell you to resist the words of non-believers. So what I want to know is would you truly resist your own sense of reason and the sound arguments of non-believers and adhere to something that seems to be false or highly unlikely to be true?
Which is more important, faith or reason?
If it is true faith it is based on reason and your question goes without saying!
The Real Truth-T

Hamilton, OH

#95594 Mar 3, 2013
Want to learn about the bible or religion? Visit a church...

Want the education you paid for? Go to your public school...

It's not the state's job to teach you religion and faith.

Fortunately you live in a country where you can choose to do this, or not do this....
It's just that simple.

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