Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Logicallythinkin g

London, KY

#95529 Feb 28, 2013
Dyslexic Luthor wrote:
Good luck trying to push your biblical diarrhea in any modern 21st century American public school. Christians are a mere annoyance in modern society, you have no political clout or authority in the age of science.
One, in the minds of the rational and sane anyway, has NOTHING to do with the other, categorically at least.
Frosomereason

London, KY

#95530 Feb 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, that's right... Somerset (population 11,296) is wet now. Figures? You must mean these?
http://www.cityofsomerset.com/services/ytd_al...
Not exactly-more like this-

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Production/Machinists-...

WTH you live-Somerset or something?
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95533 Feb 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, that's right... Somerset (population 11,296) is wet now. Figures? You must mean these?
http://www.cityofsomerset.com/services/ytd_al...
Somerset is now wet? WOW! I would guess that made a lot of Adar County Moonshiners mad!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95534 Feb 28, 2013
Frosomereason wrote:
<quoted text>
Not exactly-more like this-
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Production/Machinists-...
WTH you live-Somerset or something?
I was referring to the accuracy of a Holy Bible compared to the Machinist's Bible. Of course there is no contest unless you are one who is prone to believing that slapping pages from Watch Tower under windshield wipers is part of Jehovah's Grand Plan for Eternal Salvation of the Everlasting Soul.

...so in 2010 the average machinist made less than $40k and the average pay of a Southern Baptist minister was around $55k (annual package value around $66k). JW clergy compensation is quite a bit harder to discover as the front line are generally "bi-vocational." If there is a dollar figure attached to stipends, compensations and gifts, I didn't find it. I've also found it difficult to discover how much the assorted clergies are adding to the GNP.

Nope, never been to Somerset. I was just looking for some reason for the incoherence of the poster I was responding to.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95535 Feb 28, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Somerset is now wet? WOW! I would guess that made a lot of Adar County Moonshiners mad!
Apparently....
http://www.kentucky.com/2012/06/26/2239077/so...

...and probably.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95536 Feb 28, 2013
INSIDE EDITION Investigates TV Ministers' Lifestyles
Airdate: 05/24/2011
They are some of the most popular TV preachers in the country, packing their mega churches each week and taking in millions every year. They urge the faithful followers to donate generously and in return the Lord will bring them prosperity.
There's no denying some people have prospered handsomely—the pastors themselves. They live like rock stars with huge mansions, private jets, and fancy cars. Their lifestyles are so lavish, six of them have been investigated by the U.S. Senate.
One preacher, Paula White, lives in multimillion dollar homes in New York City and Tampa, Florida. And another preacher, Creflo Dollar, gets around in style, flying in private jets to preach around the country. He owns a mansion in an exclusive Atlanta suburb.
Not one of them would would sit down for an interview about their opulent lifestyle so INSIDE EDITION's Lisa Guerrero caught up with Creflo Dollar at an event in New York City. She asked him, "How do you justify your million dollar mansions and private jets to your donors?" Dollar had no comment.
But when it comes to opulence, few religious leaders compare to Kenneth Copeland. He lives in an 18,000 square foot home outside Ft. Worth, Texas worth $6 million. It has beautiful water views that comes complete with a boat house. But that's not all.
Copeland is an avid pilot, and his pride and joy is a $20 million Cessna Citation jet. It's the fastest private jet money can buy. He said he needed it to better serve the Lord, and proudly did a fly by for his followers after the church bought it.
But that's not the only plane used by the church. We found a fleet of planes registered to the church. And you won't catch him waiting in line at the airport, because he's got his own. The Kenneth Copeland Airport is located right next to his mansion.
"I think Copeland is unbelievably greedy", said Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation, a church watchdog group that worked with the Senate Committee investigating Copeland and other TV preachers..
"Televangelism is a $2 to $3 billion industry, untaxed, unregulated," said Anthony.
That's right—by law, religious groups like Copeland's are exempt from federal taxes, and they don't have to report how they spend their money to anyone.
Copeland and his church takes in tens of millions a year, through donations and selling books and DVD's to his donors.
When Kristi Parker's mother died of cancer, she said she found diaries that showed her mother sent Copeland most of her life's savings, hoping her faith and donations would heal her deadly disease.
"She sent them a lot of money, a whole lot of money", said Parker.
Guerrero asked Parker, "What do you think of Kenneth Copeland's lifestyle?"
"TV doesn't do it justice. Their office furniture is probably worth more than most people's houses. It make you sick." said Parker.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95537 Feb 28, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
INSIDE EDITION Investigates TV Ministers' Lifestyles
Airdate: 05/24/2011
They are some of the most popular TV preachers in the country, packing their mega churches each week and taking in millions every year. They urge the faithful followers to donate generously and in return the Lord will bring them prosperity.
There's no denying some people have prospered handsomely—the pastors themselves. They live like rock stars with huge mansions, private jets, and fancy cars. Their lifestyles are so lavish, six of them have been investigated by the U.S. Senate.
One preacher, Paula White, lives in multimillion dollar homes in New York City and Tampa, Florida. And another preacher, Creflo Dollar, gets around in style, flying in private jets to preach around the country. He owns a mansion in an exclusive Atlanta suburb.
Not one of them would would sit down for an interview about their opulent lifestyle so INSIDE EDITION's Lisa Guerrero caught up with Creflo Dollar at an event in New York City. She asked him, "How do you justify your million dollar mansions and private jets to your donors?" Dollar had no comment.
But when it comes to opulence, few religious leaders compare to Kenneth Copeland. He lives in an 18,000 square foot home outside Ft. Worth, Texas worth $6 million. It has beautiful water views that comes complete with a boat house. But that's not all.
Copeland is an avid pilot, and his pride and joy is a $20 million Cessna Citation jet. It's the fastest private jet money can buy. He said he needed it to better serve the Lord, and proudly did a fly by for his followers after the church bought it.
But that's not the only plane used by the church. We found a fleet of planes registered to the church. And you won't catch him waiting in line at the airport, because he's got his own. The Kenneth Copeland Airport is located right next to his mansion.
"I think Copeland is unbelievably greedy", said Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation, a church watchdog group that worked with the Senate Committee investigating Copeland and other TV preachers..
"Televangelism is a $2 to $3 billion industry, untaxed, unregulated," said Anthony.
That's right—by law, religious groups like Copeland's are exempt from federal taxes, and they don't have to report how they spend their money to anyone.
Copeland and his church takes in tens of millions a year, through donations and selling books and DVD's to his donors.
When Kristi Parker's mother died of cancer, she said she found diaries that showed her mother sent Copeland most of her life's savings, hoping her faith and donations would heal her deadly disease.
"She sent them a lot of money, a whole lot of money", said Parker.
Guerrero asked Parker, "What do you think of Kenneth Copeland's lifestyle?"
"TV doesn't do it justice. Their office furniture is probably worth more than most people's houses. It make you sick." said Parker.
Don't feel bad, KF. When I posted a similar article I got "spam nuts clueless" judgits, too. There's a caliber of faithful for whom St. Pete will have a "Gates broken, take elevator" sign out for.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95538 Mar 1, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Allow me to turn your question back on you----where would you turn for answers to such?
No. I asked you. Answer it for me and I'll gladly give you my answer.

I'm trying to determine how you arrive at knowledge you feel is the most accurate.

If presented with a truth claim about the world by what methods would you determine whether or not to accept the claim?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95539 Mar 1, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I asked you. Answer it for me and I'll gladly give you my answer.
I'm trying to determine how you arrive at knowledge you feel is the most accurate.
If presented with a truth claim about the world by what methods would you determine whether or not to accept the claim?
The christian cult does not prepare its followers to ask questions because they do not give them real information or allow them to think for themselves. The answers are always going to be vague or no answer given.
The double talk and "let me turn that around on you" are because they have nothing tangible to answer with
Yes and Amen

Minnie, KY

#95540 Mar 1, 2013
Oh Lord!
It's over, and we are all dead, as of 12:01 midnite...
I feel all Sequestered, n stuff!
Oh wait!
It was just another 'Obama-lie'!
"I WILL NOT REST...
But I will play golf with
Tiger (whore monger) Woods... Just to look cool!
What a Joke he is!
Oh well...
You all have a Great Sequesterday...
God Bless!
Wrong again Sparky

Minnie, KY

#95541 Mar 1, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The christian cult does not prepare its followers to ask questions because they do not give them real information or allow them to think for themselves. The answers are always going to be vague or no answer given.
The double talk and "let me turn that around on you" are because they have nothing tangible to answer with
I'll bet you do not know who affirms God's words to the Believers in Christ...
So I'll tell you!
It is the Holy Spirit...
I hope you get to know what I'm saying "Personally", as
when/if you do... You'll KNOW just how ignorant you are/were!
Thing is... YOU have to want to, so I see at this time...
You'll just remain ignorant!
Good luck with that!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95542 Mar 1, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet you do not know who affirms God's words to the Believers in Christ...
So I'll tell you!
It is the Holy Spirit...
I hope you get to know what I'm saying "Personally", as
when/if you do... You'll KNOW just how ignorant you are/were!
Thing is... YOU have to want to, so I see at this time...
You'll just remain ignorant!
Good luck with that!
The holy spirit? Wow, you just make up gods and then try to justify your other (evil) gods with the new ones.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#95543 Mar 1, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet you do not know who affirms God's words to the Believers in Christ...
So I'll tell you!
It is the Holy Spirit...
I hope you get to know what I'm saying "Personally", as
when/if you do... You'll KNOW just how ignorant you are/were!
Thing is... YOU have to want to, so I see at this time...
You'll just remain ignorant!
Good luck with that!
"The Holy Spirit?" Oh, you mean that little voice inside your head that says "hey, I LIKE that so I'll believe it?" No evidence necessary, just your own desires.

You are so gleeful pointing out other people's "ignorance."
It's too bad YOU don't realize how ignorant YOU are.
You make a fool of yourself daily.
haha

Hyden, KY

#95544 Mar 1, 2013
Has anyone every noticed how often christian zealots use capslock compared to normal people?

It's like you can hear their brains screaming out as they claw for a way to hold onto their irrational certainty in their beliefs.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95545 Mar 1, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Holy Spirit?" Oh, you mean that little voice inside your head that says "hey, I LIKE that so I'll believe it?" No evidence necessary, just your own desires.
You are so gleeful pointing out other people's "ignorance."
It's too bad YOU don't realize how ignorant YOU are.
You make a fool of yourself daily.
It isn't always the voice inside their heads. Sometimes it's just plain expediency. Like when gentiles were offended with the Jewish custom of circumcision - Paul had no problem understanding that membership would drop off if they insisted on it, so it was "the Holy Spirit" that said "Uh, okay. New plan. Give them a pass on that one." In fact, after the crucifixion, EVERY decision has been made by "the Holy Spirit." How convenient - unless you're a blasphemer, sinner or sane.
so true

Morgantown, KY

#95546 Mar 1, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
Oh Lord!
It's over, and we are all dead, as of 12:01 midnite...
I feel all Sequestered, n stuff!
Oh wait!
It was just another 'Obama-lie'!
"I WILL NOT REST...
But I will play golf with
Tiger (whore monger) Woods... Just to look cool!
What a Joke he is!
Oh well...
You all have a Great Sequesterday...
God Bless!
Oh well not good at isolating until something is accomplished. So no how they mean it, not going silent..
But say 'Thank you' anyway.
Take account of all that is in your possession.
A mind. A heart. A body.
A life that breathes, even if for just one more day.
Now count the eyes that have smiled
at you on your wild journey,
the hands that have held you tenderly,
the ears that have listened,
the prayers that have been made on your behalf.
And whisper your 'Thank you' again.
Count the sky that has watched you grow
with His painted eyes,
The heaving waves that find their echo
in the tides of your breathing,
The little birds that have sung
you their songs,
The stars which have been a lamp
to your path,
and are your
rightful inheritance.
Count unexpected laughter,
Count undeserved grace,
Count Passion and Love making and Dreams yet to be born,
And bow your head and say 'thank you',
Now count the lives who still need your light,
The hungry, the sick, the helpless,
the ones , who will die today
and imagine if with the breath of your body
you could help justone.
Turn your face to the sun,
And know yourself as a child of the light.
You are the Goodness that cannot be extinguished,
The love that burns through the darkest night.
And perhaps,In turning
You will see what i have seen,
that this day where everything seemed wrong,
was not your curse,
It was your gift,
Your chance...
To find inside yourself a forgotten 'thank you',
To smile in the face of the grim suppressors,
To stand in the heart of the glowering darkness
and turn your face to the sun.
Auqamarineminera ls

London, KY

#95547 Mar 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I was referring to the accuracy of a Holy Bible compared to the Machinist's Bible. Of course there is no contest unless you are one who is prone to believing that slapping pages from Watch Tower under windshield wipers is part of Jehovah's Grand Plan for Eternal Salvation of the Everlasting Soul.
...so in 2010 the average machinist made less than $40k and the average pay of a Southern Baptist minister was around $55k (annual package value around $66k). JW clergy compensation is quite a bit harder to discover as the front line are generally "bi-vocational." If there is a dollar figure attached to stipends, compensations and gifts, I didn't find it. I've also found it difficult to discover how much the assorted clergies are adding to the GNP.
Nope, never been to Somerset. I was just looking for some reason for the incoherence of the poster I was responding to.
The US should've dropped tax exemption statuses on churches, 501-C's AND government purchases a long time ago....it would undoubtedly curb at least some paper product waste.

Never been to Somerset either.

Wasn't the starting rate around of vocational machinists around 19k?

Now, how is it, we have an economy where people who are earning average working class wages like that, are expected to pay the Ridiculously Over-inflated free market health insurance prices, AND cover the ones who pay NOTHING at all?

Fed sales tax 'em ALL (double the parasite no fed tax states)-NO exclusions.
THEODORA FARTINSKY

Elizabethtown, KY

#95548 Mar 1, 2013
me gotta lot to catch up with satan man and all these postins. me had to bust outta reform school them stinkin girl scout cookies got me locked up agin. me hid out at spud monkeys bar an grill in oregin. 2 cold there so me back.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#95549 Mar 1, 2013
This stinkin ipone i swiped aint workin rite. me back on my computr hope it works its older than dinosaur dong.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95550 Mar 1, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on the content of your posts I highly doubt you research at all. You basically just keep saying the same thing over and over without addressing any arguments directly.
If you were going to do research on a topic such as human sexuality where would you begin? What kinds of sources would you go to? What would be your method for discerning quality information from bad information?
We have a public library here in our neighborhood that is one good place to go to do research on almost any subject. There is Wickipedia on line. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society publishes information on almost any subject and every article is well reasearched and the source is listed so one can check for accurcy. I watch quite a bit of TV like the History channel. I am always careful to not accept everything. Some sources are very misleading especially information about Jehovah's Witnesses. I am always surprised how so many will post outright lies with nothing to support their statements.
Now I've revealed some of the sources for my information.
I await for your sources and how you determine if something is true or not.

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