Bible study rules for public schools proposed

[Yiago]

CommonSense101 wrote:

<quoted text>
We, that have read the Bible, all know the horror tales within.
I do believe a good and loving God holds better for those who heed in wisdom, rather than ignore out of willful (or even worse-hateful) ignorance though.

If there is a good and loving God then why did he order the murder of women and children in 1 Samuel 15:2-3? Is this not the same God? If it is not the same God, where was the good and loving God at that time? Was he just watching the action?

And that's just one story. As you point out, the Bible is full of horror. I have no idea why people think they can tease out a "good and loving" God from that book unless they are willfully ignorant of the horror.

It's got to create some cognitive dissonance in your head to believe something like that while being faced with direct contradictory evidence.

[Yiago]

CommonSense101 wrote:

<quoted text>
When the proverbial shoe fits...

Ok, so Christianity is the same as stamp collecting. Just another hobby I don't enjoy.

Thanks

[CommonSense101]

Yiago wrote:

<quoted text>
Ok, so Christianity is the same as stamp collecting. Just another hobby I don't enjoy.
Thanks

Stamps are cool..lots of work goes into them. I could get into making stamps, if duh muhtereerials fer duh hobby was fwee lol.

[DuhinnertsayzNOT]

Yiago wrote:

<quoted text>
If there is a good and loving God then why did he order the murder of women and children in 1 Samuel 15:2-3? Is this not the same God? If it is not the same God, where was the good and loving God at that time? Was he just watching the action?
And that's just one story. As you point out, the Bible is full of horror. I have no idea why people think they can tease out a "good and loving" God from that book unless they are willfully ignorant of the horror.
It's got to create some cognitive dissonance in your head to believe something like that while being faced with direct contradictory evidence.

Some people think Gates invented Winders gooey cause he are one dem dar afeists too, but hey ya know.....

[Satanic Priest]

The christian cult claims that we can not disprove god, yet we have over and over again.
The earth being round not flat, germs not unclean spirits causing illness, spacecraft going much higher than the tower of Babble, the earth orbiting the sun, powerful space telescopes that show us what is out in space (no angels or heaven)
All are proof that there is no god.

[MadameCurie]

Satanic Priest wrote:

The christian cult claims that we can not disprove god, yet we have over and over again.
The earth being round not flat, germs not unclean spirits causing illness, spacecraft going much higher than the tower of Babble, the earth orbiting the sun, powerful space telescopes that show us what is out in space (no angels or heaven)
All are proof that there is no god.

and Biwl Gates invernted yer gooey hexathingy too-uh!

Modern Science can do amazing things sometimes eh?!

(PS: Sowwee, but the telescopes do NOT do black holes well, so there goeth your noeth proofeth-peabraineth!)

Question: Did duh dark one finduh the little clipping in regards to Derwoods manuscript repetitions yet? Do yew has a pointy tale, cloven feet and horns? we seez the forked tongue...just thought we'd ax about the rest of youz!

[Quantummist]

Satanic Priest wrote:

The christian cult claims that we can not disprove god, yet we have over and over again.
The earth being round not flat, germs not unclean spirits causing illness, spacecraft going much higher than the tower of Babble, the earth orbiting the sun, powerful space telescopes that show us what is out in space (no angels or heaven)
All are proof that there is no god.

All are Evidence..... None are Proof.... Proof is Only in the mind of the Individual....

[Satanic Priest]

Quantummist wrote:

<quoted text>
All are Evidence..... None are Proof.... Proof is Only in the mind of the Individual....

HMMM, that makes sense. All are evidence that there is no god, lots and lots of evidence against, no evidence for.

[Quantummist]

Satanic Priest wrote:

<quoted text>HMMM, that makes sense. All are evidence that there is no god, lots and lots of evidence against, no evidence for.

Now that I can agree with.... In Science the only thing that can be accurately be called Proof is a Mathematical Proof and is a term of art in mathematics.... Other than that the Terms "Proof" & "Proven" are Individual Conclusions and never absolutes...

A single piece of Evidence may cause a individual to say a claim is proven but a 1000 pieces of evidence about the same claim to another individual may not cause they to say the claim is proven...

Take the UFO idea... I have studied 1000's of pieces of evidence and I am not convinced that UFO are extraterrestrial craft, I have even taken a photo of what could be classified as a UFO yet all that Evidence has not convinced me of the claim...

Others have seen just one light in the sky are are absolutely convinced of the claim that UFO are extraterrestrial space craft...

[The Truth]

This would be in direct violation of seperation of church, and state, but also the right of freedom from religion. I can't wait to see the justified lawsuits because of this theocratic bill.

To the people saying are founding fathers were Christian, you need to brush up on your history. Most were deists (excluding George Washington who though Christian criticized religion) Deists believe that there is a god, but he doesn't worry, or mettle in what we do in the world. The god in the bible obviously mettled in the world by burning cities, sending a plague on Egypt, and judging our very human nature to be flawed. In other words the founding fathers did not support your longing for theocracy.

[Satanic Priest]

Quantummist wrote:

<quoted text>
Now that I can agree with.... In Science the only thing that can be accurately be called Proof is a Mathematical Proof and is a term of art in mathematics.... Other than that the Terms "Proof" & "Proven" are Individual Conclusions and never absolutes...
A single piece of Evidence may cause a individual to say a claim is proven but a 1000 pieces of evidence about the same claim to another individual may not cause they to say the claim is proven...
Take the UFO idea... I have studied 1000's of pieces of evidence and I am not convinced that UFO are extraterrestrial craft, I have even taken a photo of what could be classified as a UFO yet all that Evidence has not convinced me of the claim...
Others have seen just one light in the sky are are absolutely convinced of the claim that UFO are extraterrestrial space craft...

If there was just one bit of evidence that there is a god and we have life after death it would bring comfort because my belief that when we die we no longer exist, no more chemical reactions and electron flow, can be a bummer. But not even one bit of evidence for god has ever been found

[Quantummist]

Satanic Priest wrote:

<quoted text>If there was just one bit of evidence that there is a god and we have life after death it would bring comfort because my belief that when we die we no longer exist, no more chemical reactions and electron flow, can be a bummer. But not even one bit of evidence for god has ever been found

At least no Evidence that can be Verified, Tested and Repeated... And that is what is required for any evidence to be considered valid...

[Daisy]

"The Bible" is not an issue. It's the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. For only those who see it as you, would have an "issue". I will be praying that you would have a sound understanding of the Bible.

kellerman wrote:

It's not appropriate to teach religion in school. we live in a diverse society and can't teach all religions in schools. One has to keep these separate, it's up to the parents to inform their children on religious upbringing. I thought this issue was long solved, but i see it keeps coming back up.

[Known Fact]

Carl Sagan the GOD wrote:

<quoted text>
You don't even know how to spell "fossil". Argument Invalid.

I was not concerned about spelling when discussing evolution with a moron! I'm surprised you have enough intellegence to notice!

[Satanic Priest]

Daisy wrote:

"The Bible" is not an issue. It's the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. For only those who see it as you, would have an "issue". I will be praying that you would have a sound understanding of the Bible.
<quoted text>

And I will pray to the good Lord Satan that you read your bible, start with this;
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

[Satanic Priest]

Known Fact wrote:

<quoted text>
I was not concerned about spelling when discussing evolution with a moron! I'm surprised you have enough intelligence to notice!

Dont know what the conversation was, but If some one grasp the concept of what is being said spelling is nugatory.
So what if I mispell a word, you understood what I said!

[ChromiuMan]

Known Fact wrote:

<quoted text>
I was not concerned about spelling when discussing evolution with a moron! I'm surprised you have enough intellegence to notice!

I'm sure few of us are surprised that you spelled intelligence wrong.

[ChromiuMan]

Daisy wrote:

"The Bible" is not an issue. It's the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. For only those who see it as you, would have an "issue". I will be praying that you would have a sound understanding of the Bible.
<quoted text>

"...sound understanding of the Bible?" Yes, I've got that and the bonus tee shirt.
You seem to be a nice, pleasant sort of person on the highway of life. But then, I'm seldom impressed with how nicely and pleasantly some people drive.

[IntelligentDesig n]

Satanic Priest wrote:

<quoted text>HMMM, that makes sense. All are evidence that there is no god, lots and lots of evidence against, no evidence for.

Is not "happendstance"
Never was, NEVER will be.

"Phi".

Get used to it.

[Quantummist]

IntelligentDesign wrote:

<quoted text>
Is not "happendstance"
Never was, NEVER will be.
"Phi".
Get used to it.

"So you say but cannot demonstrate" - Q