Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“The Time Left Is Reduced”
TIME is running out for this system of things. One reason why many have come to this conclusion is that the very existence of humankind is imperiled. Why, a nuclear holocaust seems so close today that it is said to be just “three minutes to midnight”! Writing on the subject “The Shadow of the Bomb,” Australian journalist Nick Brash stated:“A stick of gelignite weighing half a kilogram is enough to blow a man apart. Yet the nuclear stockpile is the equivalent today of four tonnes of gelignite for every man, woman and child on earth. More than $500 billion has been ploughed into nuclear weapons and more than $40 billion will be spent on weapons around the world this year [1983].
It's not as bad as the Doom and Gloom crowd would have folks believe... Nukes are not as destructive as many would have you think... Some think a single nuke and the world ends... Or that a single nuke would lead to 1000's fired... First the Planet is a Big Place and your average Large High yield weapon of say 2 Megaton would give a initial blast radius of about 1.6miles with a pressure of 15psi.... Yep Dead... but out at 9mile radius the psi is down to 1 and very survivable... A very small number of war heads are that large... 90% are in the 2 kiloton range... A big one can take out a city say the size of Detroit, New York, Chicago... but to Kill All of man as the gloom and doom like to make folks think you would have to launch every weapon in every arsenal of every country and nicely spread them around the globe and there would still be vast areas left untouched by the detonations... But that would of course because the primary targets of the first strikes would be on known launch facilities taking out about 50% to 70% of the war heads right off the bat... and those first go around would use up about 25% of the global stock piles in lesser populated areas where most launch facilities are located... After which secondary launches would be in question as the assorted countries survey the mess... then would come a few weeks of keeping underground or out of fall out areas and life would raise it's head to rebuild a new less technologically based world... Life would go on and planet earth would keep spinning along..... Civilizations would fall and new ones would rise just as has happened many times in our past....

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It's not as bad as the Doom and Gloom crowd would have folks believe... Nukes are not as destructive as many would have you think... Some think a single nuke and the world ends... Or that a single nuke would lead to 1000's fired... First the Planet is a Big Place and your average Large High yield weapon of say 2 Megaton would give a initial blast radius of about 1.6miles with a pressure of 15psi.... Yep Dead... but out at 9mile radius the psi is down to 1 and very survivable... A very small number of war heads are that large... 90% are in the 2 kiloton range... A big one can take out a city say the size of Detroit, New York, Chicago... but to Kill All of man as the gloom and doom like to make folks think you would have to launch every weapon in every arsenal of every country and nicely spread them around the globe and there would still be vast areas left untouched by the detonations... But that would of course because the primary targets of the first strikes would be on known launch facilities taking out about 50% to 70% of the war heads right off the bat... and those first go around would use up about 25% of the global stock piles in lesser populated areas where most launch facilities are located... After which secondary launches would be in question as the assorted countries survey the mess... then would come a few weeks of keeping underground or out of fall out areas and life would raise it's head to rebuild a new less technologically based world... Life would go on and planet earth would keep spinning along..... Civilizations would fall and new ones would rise just as has happened many times in our past....
When I was a teen in the 80s I was pretty terrified of the nukes. I agree that the previous poster's little rant was way overblown, however I would NEVER underestimate the devastation that could follow a nuclear strike. Even if the casualties were relatively small compared to the potential it would still be a very, very bad day. Then there's the aftermath of radiation concerns. I think one of the worst things that could happen is for someone in a position of power to decide to use a small nuke and set a precedent for using them periodically.

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Now that I can agree with.... In Science the only thing that can be accurately be called Proof is a Mathematical Proof and is a term of art in mathematics.... Other than that the Terms "Proof" & "Proven" are Individual Conclusions and never absolutes...
A single piece of Evidence may cause a individual to say a claim is proven but a 1000 pieces of evidence about the same claim to another individual may not cause they to say the claim is proven...
Take the UFO idea... I have studied 1000's of pieces of evidence and I am not convinced that UFO are extraterrestrial craft, I have even taken a photo of what could be classified as a UFO yet all that Evidence has not convinced me of the claim...
Others have seen just one light in the sky are are absolutely convinced of the claim that UFO are extraterrestrial space craft...
Yep. That's pretty much the gist of it.

And since acceptance of ideas is on the individual level you get a lot of variation even among people who understand and practice what you described above, which I would simply call scientific skepticism.

For example, I tend to lend more trust to mainstream science than you do. We've had discussions about this before. So I accept the general consensus on Climate Change but I think you are not on board with it. As we move forward, if we both apply this thinking as strictly as possible, and if the picture becomes clearer over time, one of us will almost certainly change his position.

Otherwise we're looking not at scientific skepticism, but dogma.

Ask a Christian how many years must pass without Jesus returning to Earth before he'll change his mind about Christianity.
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"So you say but cannot demonstrate" - Q
Put your glasses on, and get a microscope or a few out!

(otherwise, I shall consider you BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIII IIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG).

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Yep. That's pretty much the gist of it.
And since acceptance of ideas is on the individual level you get a lot of variation even among people who understand and practice what you described above, which I would simply call scientific skepticism.

Otherwise we're looking not at scientific skepticism, but dogma.
Ask a Christian how many years must pass without Jesus returning to Earth before he'll change his mind about Christianity.
Bravo!

Books such as the Bible do NOT belong in any "Science" classroom.

Now how many pages of posts did it take before the IDIOTS that whined about such, in their incessant IGNORANCE, figured out-that is WHY, we do NOT have the "Bible" in ANY SCIENCE classroom.

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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It's sad when a forum for debate of a theocratic law is lessened to trivial insults on ones grammar.
"Ones" being the possessive form of one?
I'm reminded of the story of an editor who wanted to publish a book with no spelling or grammatical errors. After exhaustive reviews of the text he was satisfied and the book was published - with a spelling error on the title page.
In some cases it is appropriate to point out when the pot is calling the kettle black.
Debate on "theocratic law?" What is to debate? The notion is evil. The only Christian "country" that is a theocracy is Vatican City, and even it is still subject to the secular laws of Italy.

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You are a lot smarter than I give you credit for! That is better than saying you are not as dumb as I thought you are! Basically it is saying the same thing. Tee Hee!
I have never claimed to be the sharpest tack in the pack or immune from foibles. In this forum I merely assert that the Bible (or Talmud or Qur'an or Kabbalah or Bhagavad Gita or a Book of the Dead or Tipitaka or Mabinogion...) is nothing more or less than a book and that adherence to a theology is indicative of a mental disorder.

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When I was a teen in the 80s I was pretty terrified of the nukes. I agree that the previous poster's little rant was way overblown, however I would NEVER underestimate the devastation that could follow a nuclear strike. Even if the casualties were relatively small compared to the potential it would still be a very, very bad day. Then there's the aftermath of radiation concerns. I think one of the worst things that could happen is for someone in a position of power to decide to use a small nuke and set a precedent for using them periodically.
Don't get me wrong... Nukes are dangerous.. In the short run they can make for a very bad lifestyle.... But to hear a lot of folks rant one nuke goes boom and it's the end of human kind. Or I always hear the "Enough TNT to blow up every person with x pounds each" thingy and Nukes are not like Parkay you can spread evenly.. Just don't work that way....

And for fallout... If you listen to doom and gloom folks you would think a place would be a waste land for centuries after a nuke never even considering that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were being rebuilt within months of the blasts and today they have a lower cancer rate than Denver Colo... We hear the big screams about 3 mile Island yet No One Died there and the Cancer rates have not statistically changed a fraction... In Chernobyl a group of folks died that were exposed directly but today there is vast areas abandoned that have either no radiation or a few spots that could be cleaned up quickly and put back into production but the Fear Factor caused by the Doom and Gloom world will leave a vast region to waste.. Most don't even know that People still work at the Nuke plant their and that the other reactor that didn't go boom was up and running until a few years ago when it was shut down due to cost because of line loss due to the distance before the power reached populated areas...

Again radiation can be bad but more people were killed building Hoover Dam than have been killed in Power Plant Nuke accidents around the world combined.....
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Don't get me wrong... Nukes are dangerous.. In the short run they can make for a very bad lifestyle.... But to hear a lot of folks rant one nuke goes boom and it's the end of human kind. Or I always hear the "Enough TNT to blow up every person with x pounds each" thingy and Nukes are not like Parkay you can spread evenly.. Just don't work that way....
And for fallout... If you listen to doom and gloom folks you would think a place would be a waste land for centuries after a nuke never even considering that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were being rebuilt within months of the blasts and today they have a lower cancer rate than Denver Colo... We hear the big screams about 3 mile Island yet No One Died there and the Cancer rates have not statistically changed a fraction... In Chernobyl a group of folks died that were exposed directly but today there is vast areas abandoned that have either no radiation or a few spots that could be cleaned up quickly and put back into production but the Fear Factor caused by the Doom and Gloom world will leave a vast region to waste.. Most don't even know that People still work at the Nuke plant their and that the other reactor that didn't go boom was up and running until a few years ago when it was shut down due to cost because of line loss due to the distance before the power reached populated areas...
Again radiation can be bad but more people were killed building Hoover Dam than have been killed in Power Plant Nuke accidents around the world combined.....
Go to www.jw.org and look for the Watchtower January 2013 "Should You Fear the End of the World"

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Go to www.jw.org and look for the Watchtower January 2013 "Should You Fear the End of the World"
Naw, I'll pass... Heard the cult crap many times have no need to read it now.....
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Naw, I'll pass... Heard the cult crap many times have no need to read it now.....
I'm sure you have but not from Jehovah's Witnesses!
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." quote by, hitler the christian.
Remember the kits that bolted to VW pans?
Hitler (Catholic) was as much of a Christian, as
a VW pan with a kit was an Excalibur!
Jesus said...
Love... Hitler did not LOVE!

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Don't get me wrong... Nukes are dangerous.. In the short run they can make for a very bad lifestyle.... But to hear a lot of folks rant one nuke goes boom and it's the end of human kind. Or I always hear the "Enough TNT to blow up every person with x pounds each" thingy and Nukes are not like Parkay you can spread evenly.. Just don't work that way....
And for fallout... If you listen to doom and gloom folks you would think a place would be a waste land for centuries after a nuke never even considering that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were being rebuilt within months of the blasts and today they have a lower cancer rate than Denver Colo... We hear the big screams about 3 mile Island yet No One Died there and the Cancer rates have not statistically changed a fraction... In Chernobyl a group of folks died that were exposed directly but today there is vast areas abandoned that have either no radiation or a few spots that could be cleaned up quickly and put back into production but the Fear Factor caused by the Doom and Gloom world will leave a vast region to waste.. Most don't even know that People still work at the Nuke plant their and that the other reactor that didn't go boom was up and running until a few years ago when it was shut down due to cost because of line loss due to the distance before the power reached populated areas...
Again radiation can be bad but more people were killed building Hoover Dam than have been killed in Power Plant Nuke accidents around the world combined.....
I'm all on board for nuclear power! If we could build us a handful of big nuclear plants we'd save a ton of resources in the long run. But the specter of the Cold War looms...

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I'm sure you have but not from Jehovah's Witnesses!
An honest question: what makes you feel like the JW take on things is somehow correct while others are wrong? What element of the religion makes you accept it as truth? What was the argument made by the JW that compelled you to believe in it? What was your method of analyzing the claims, studying the literature, and evaluating it against other claims and other ideas to determine it was the true one?
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Morning to all....
" live the way you tell yourself to, not what anyone else says, don't let anyone else tell you who you are or who you should be, don't let anyone or anything hold you back from doing exactly what you want to do and where you want to go "

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I'm all on board for nuclear power! If we could build us a handful of big nuclear plants we'd save a ton of resources in the long run. But the specter of the Cold War looms...
The US has a TON of nuclear plants.

Bet you wouldn't be all on board for the end consumer COST per kilowat-or using one dem dar diviner rods trying find water supplies enough to run 'em...OR the training required to build, maintain and DEionize those suckers after their short shelf life have run out, and the then still active carciogenic spent rods have to be placed somewhere, to glow for continued years radioactively.

Let alone that little, continual hummmmmm, as radiaton fissions...under the DEMAND of continual MELTdown and leakage watches...as the common housefly expands by a few evolutionary milimeters.

PHYSICS REQUIRED.

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I'm sure you have but not from Jehovah's Witnesses!
Yes I have.... Heard one cult you heard them all... They just use different punctuations....

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I'm all on board for nuclear power! If we could build us a handful of big nuclear plants we'd save a ton of resources in the long run. But the specter of the Cold War looms...
Yep.. Nuke power is the Only source that can supply our long term requirements on this ball.... My motto is "Fission until Fusion"
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Man with spine and stomach cancer who doctors have done all they can will die unless he gets a miracle from Jesus. Man cannot walk but was wheeled in to faith healer AA Allen. Watch AA Allen heal this man.

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An honest question: what makes you feel like the JW take on things is somehow correct while others are wrong? What element of the religion makes you accept it as truth? What was the argument made by the JW that compelled you to believe in it? What was your method of analyzing the claims, studying the literature, and evaluating it against other claims and other ideas to determine it was the true one?
That is exactly what we are encouraged to do, "analyzing the claims, studying the literature, and evaluating it against (what the Bible really says) and other claims and other ideas to determine it was indeed the true one."

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