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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143147 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95296 Feb 19, 2013
Carl Sagan the GOD wrote:
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You don't even know how to spell "fossil". Argument Invalid.
I was not concerned about spelling when discussing evolution with a moron! I'm surprised you have enough intellegence to notice!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95297 Feb 19, 2013
Daisy wrote:
"The Bible" is not an issue. It's the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. For only those who see it as you, would have an "issue". I will be praying that you would have a sound understanding of the Bible.
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And I will pray to the good Lord Satan that you read your bible, start with this;
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95298 Feb 19, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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I was not concerned about spelling when discussing evolution with a moron! I'm surprised you have enough intelligence to notice!
Dont know what the conversation was, but If some one grasp the concept of what is being said spelling is nugatory.
So what if I mispell a word, you understood what I said!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95299 Feb 19, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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I was not concerned about spelling when discussing evolution with a moron! I'm surprised you have enough intellegence to notice!
I'm sure few of us are surprised that you spelled intelligence wrong.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95300 Feb 19, 2013
Daisy wrote:
"The Bible" is not an issue. It's the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. For only those who see it as you, would have an "issue". I will be praying that you would have a sound understanding of the Bible.
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"...sound understanding of the Bible?" Yes, I've got that and the bonus tee shirt.
You seem to be a nice, pleasant sort of person on the highway of life. But then, I'm seldom impressed with how nicely and pleasantly some people drive.
IntelligentDesig n

Somerset, KY

#95301 Feb 19, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>HMMM, that makes sense. All are evidence that there is no god, lots and lots of evidence against, no evidence for.
Is not "happendstance"
Never was, NEVER will be.

"Phi".

Get used to it.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Bimble, KY

#95302 Feb 19, 2013
IntelligentDesign wrote:
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Is not "happendstance"
Never was, NEVER will be.
"Phi".
Get used to it.
"So you say but cannot demonstrate" - Q
The Truth

Heidrick, KY

#95303 Feb 19, 2013
It's sad when a forum for debate of a theocratic law is lessened to trivial insults on ones grammar.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95304 Feb 19, 2013
“The Time Left Is Reduced”
TIME is running out for this system of things. One reason why many have come to this conclusion is that the very existence of humankind is imperiled. Why, a nuclear holocaust seems so close today that it is said to be just “three minutes to midnight”! Writing on the subject “The Shadow of the Bomb,” Australian journalist Nick Brash stated:“A stick of gelignite weighing half a kilogram is enough to blow a man apart. Yet the nuclear stockpile is the equivalent today of four tonnes of gelignite for every man, woman and child on earth. More than $500 billion has been ploughed into nuclear weapons and more than $40 billion will be spent on weapons around the world this year [1983]. It’s an awesome amount of overkill. Equivalent to spraying a lone mosquito with 10 cans of [the insecticide] Mortein.”—The Sun Weekend Magazine (Melbourne, Australia), April 23, 1983. It is hard to imagine the probable effects of nuclear warfare. Besides the death of hundreds of millions, the pall of global fallout, the ecological impact and the like, there would be incredible disruption of social, political and economic affairs earth wide. In fact, Dr. Brian Martin, a physicist and researcher at the Australian National University, admits:“Simply not enough is known to predict with confidence all the global effects of nuclear war.”
The future seems ominous indeed. But lovers of God, take heart! Although time is running out for the present system of things, mankind will not destroy itself in a chaotic nuclear holocaust. Of that we can be certain, for Jehovah,“the Shaper and Maker” of the earth,“did not create it as a chaos, he shaped it to be inhabited.”(Isaiah 45:18, Byington) Of course, if mankind is to be saved from annihilation, prompt superhuman action must be taken to end this system, as well as its nuclear madness. Happily, the Creator of planet Earth and mankind will soon destroy this wicked, suicidal system. Its time is short because “the great day of Jehovah” is imminent!(Zephaniah 1:14-18) Yet, how comforting to know that during that rapidly approaching day of reckoning,‘Jehovah will guard all those loving him, but all the wicked ones he will annihilate’!—Psalm 145:20.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95305 Feb 19, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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I'm sure few of us are surprised that you spelled intelligence wrong.
You are a lot smarter than I give you credit for! That is better than saying you are not as dumb as I thought you are! Basically it is saying the same thing. Tee Hee!

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Bimble, KY

#95306 Feb 19, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
“The Time Left Is Reduced”
TIME is running out for this system of things. One reason why many have come to this conclusion is that the very existence of humankind is imperiled. Why, a nuclear holocaust seems so close today that it is said to be just “three minutes to midnight”! Writing on the subject “The Shadow of the Bomb,” Australian journalist Nick Brash stated:“A stick of gelignite weighing half a kilogram is enough to blow a man apart. Yet the nuclear stockpile is the equivalent today of four tonnes of gelignite for every man, woman and child on earth. More than $500 billion has been ploughed into nuclear weapons and more than $40 billion will be spent on weapons around the world this year [1983].
It's not as bad as the Doom and Gloom crowd would have folks believe... Nukes are not as destructive as many would have you think... Some think a single nuke and the world ends... Or that a single nuke would lead to 1000's fired... First the Planet is a Big Place and your average Large High yield weapon of say 2 Megaton would give a initial blast radius of about 1.6miles with a pressure of 15psi.... Yep Dead... but out at 9mile radius the psi is down to 1 and very survivable... A very small number of war heads are that large... 90% are in the 2 kiloton range... A big one can take out a city say the size of Detroit, New York, Chicago... but to Kill All of man as the gloom and doom like to make folks think you would have to launch every weapon in every arsenal of every country and nicely spread them around the globe and there would still be vast areas left untouched by the detonations... But that would of course because the primary targets of the first strikes would be on known launch facilities taking out about 50% to 70% of the war heads right off the bat... and those first go around would use up about 25% of the global stock piles in lesser populated areas where most launch facilities are located... After which secondary launches would be in question as the assorted countries survey the mess... then would come a few weeks of keeping underground or out of fall out areas and life would raise it's head to rebuild a new less technologically based world... Life would go on and planet earth would keep spinning along..... Civilizations would fall and new ones would rise just as has happened many times in our past....

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95307 Feb 20, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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It's not as bad as the Doom and Gloom crowd would have folks believe... Nukes are not as destructive as many would have you think... Some think a single nuke and the world ends... Or that a single nuke would lead to 1000's fired... First the Planet is a Big Place and your average Large High yield weapon of say 2 Megaton would give a initial blast radius of about 1.6miles with a pressure of 15psi.... Yep Dead... but out at 9mile radius the psi is down to 1 and very survivable... A very small number of war heads are that large... 90% are in the 2 kiloton range... A big one can take out a city say the size of Detroit, New York, Chicago... but to Kill All of man as the gloom and doom like to make folks think you would have to launch every weapon in every arsenal of every country and nicely spread them around the globe and there would still be vast areas left untouched by the detonations... But that would of course because the primary targets of the first strikes would be on known launch facilities taking out about 50% to 70% of the war heads right off the bat... and those first go around would use up about 25% of the global stock piles in lesser populated areas where most launch facilities are located... After which secondary launches would be in question as the assorted countries survey the mess... then would come a few weeks of keeping underground or out of fall out areas and life would raise it's head to rebuild a new less technologically based world... Life would go on and planet earth would keep spinning along..... Civilizations would fall and new ones would rise just as has happened many times in our past....
When I was a teen in the 80s I was pretty terrified of the nukes. I agree that the previous poster's little rant was way overblown, however I would NEVER underestimate the devastation that could follow a nuclear strike. Even if the casualties were relatively small compared to the potential it would still be a very, very bad day. Then there's the aftermath of radiation concerns. I think one of the worst things that could happen is for someone in a position of power to decide to use a small nuke and set a precedent for using them periodically.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95308 Feb 20, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Now that I can agree with.... In Science the only thing that can be accurately be called Proof is a Mathematical Proof and is a term of art in mathematics.... Other than that the Terms "Proof" & "Proven" are Individual Conclusions and never absolutes...
A single piece of Evidence may cause a individual to say a claim is proven but a 1000 pieces of evidence about the same claim to another individual may not cause they to say the claim is proven...
Take the UFO idea... I have studied 1000's of pieces of evidence and I am not convinced that UFO are extraterrestrial craft, I have even taken a photo of what could be classified as a UFO yet all that Evidence has not convinced me of the claim...
Others have seen just one light in the sky are are absolutely convinced of the claim that UFO are extraterrestrial space craft...
Yep. That's pretty much the gist of it.

And since acceptance of ideas is on the individual level you get a lot of variation even among people who understand and practice what you described above, which I would simply call scientific skepticism.

For example, I tend to lend more trust to mainstream science than you do. We've had discussions about this before. So I accept the general consensus on Climate Change but I think you are not on board with it. As we move forward, if we both apply this thinking as strictly as possible, and if the picture becomes clearer over time, one of us will almost certainly change his position.

Otherwise we're looking not at scientific skepticism, but dogma.

Ask a Christian how many years must pass without Jesus returning to Earth before he'll change his mind about Christianity.
IntelligentDesig n

Somerset, KY

#95309 Feb 20, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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"So you say but cannot demonstrate" - Q
Put your glasses on, and get a microscope or a few out!

(otherwise, I shall consider you BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIII IIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG).

:-)
IntelligentDesig n

Somerset, KY

#95310 Feb 20, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Yep. That's pretty much the gist of it.
And since acceptance of ideas is on the individual level you get a lot of variation even among people who understand and practice what you described above, which I would simply call scientific skepticism.

Otherwise we're looking not at scientific skepticism, but dogma.
Ask a Christian how many years must pass without Jesus returning to Earth before he'll change his mind about Christianity.
Bravo!

Books such as the Bible do NOT belong in any "Science" classroom.

Now how many pages of posts did it take before the IDIOTS that whined about such, in their incessant IGNORANCE, figured out-that is WHY, we do NOT have the "Bible" in ANY SCIENCE classroom.

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95311 Feb 20, 2013
The Truth wrote:
It's sad when a forum for debate of a theocratic law is lessened to trivial insults on ones grammar.
"Ones" being the possessive form of one?
I'm reminded of the story of an editor who wanted to publish a book with no spelling or grammatical errors. After exhaustive reviews of the text he was satisfied and the book was published - with a spelling error on the title page.
In some cases it is appropriate to point out when the pot is calling the kettle black.
Debate on "theocratic law?" What is to debate? The notion is evil. The only Christian "country" that is a theocracy is Vatican City, and even it is still subject to the secular laws of Italy.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95312 Feb 20, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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You are a lot smarter than I give you credit for! That is better than saying you are not as dumb as I thought you are! Basically it is saying the same thing. Tee Hee!
I have never claimed to be the sharpest tack in the pack or immune from foibles. In this forum I merely assert that the Bible (or Talmud or Qur'an or Kabbalah or Bhagavad Gita or a Book of the Dead or Tipitaka or Mabinogion...) is nothing more or less than a book and that adherence to a theology is indicative of a mental disorder.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Bimble, KY

#95313 Feb 20, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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When I was a teen in the 80s I was pretty terrified of the nukes. I agree that the previous poster's little rant was way overblown, however I would NEVER underestimate the devastation that could follow a nuclear strike. Even if the casualties were relatively small compared to the potential it would still be a very, very bad day. Then there's the aftermath of radiation concerns. I think one of the worst things that could happen is for someone in a position of power to decide to use a small nuke and set a precedent for using them periodically.
Don't get me wrong... Nukes are dangerous.. In the short run they can make for a very bad lifestyle.... But to hear a lot of folks rant one nuke goes boom and it's the end of human kind. Or I always hear the "Enough TNT to blow up every person with x pounds each" thingy and Nukes are not like Parkay you can spread evenly.. Just don't work that way....

And for fallout... If you listen to doom and gloom folks you would think a place would be a waste land for centuries after a nuke never even considering that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were being rebuilt within months of the blasts and today they have a lower cancer rate than Denver Colo... We hear the big screams about 3 mile Island yet No One Died there and the Cancer rates have not statistically changed a fraction... In Chernobyl a group of folks died that were exposed directly but today there is vast areas abandoned that have either no radiation or a few spots that could be cleaned up quickly and put back into production but the Fear Factor caused by the Doom and Gloom world will leave a vast region to waste.. Most don't even know that People still work at the Nuke plant their and that the other reactor that didn't go boom was up and running until a few years ago when it was shut down due to cost because of line loss due to the distance before the power reached populated areas...

Again radiation can be bad but more people were killed building Hoover Dam than have been killed in Power Plant Nuke accidents around the world combined.....
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95315 Feb 20, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't get me wrong... Nukes are dangerous.. In the short run they can make for a very bad lifestyle.... But to hear a lot of folks rant one nuke goes boom and it's the end of human kind. Or I always hear the "Enough TNT to blow up every person with x pounds each" thingy and Nukes are not like Parkay you can spread evenly.. Just don't work that way....
And for fallout... If you listen to doom and gloom folks you would think a place would be a waste land for centuries after a nuke never even considering that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were being rebuilt within months of the blasts and today they have a lower cancer rate than Denver Colo... We hear the big screams about 3 mile Island yet No One Died there and the Cancer rates have not statistically changed a fraction... In Chernobyl a group of folks died that were exposed directly but today there is vast areas abandoned that have either no radiation or a few spots that could be cleaned up quickly and put back into production but the Fear Factor caused by the Doom and Gloom world will leave a vast region to waste.. Most don't even know that People still work at the Nuke plant their and that the other reactor that didn't go boom was up and running until a few years ago when it was shut down due to cost because of line loss due to the distance before the power reached populated areas...
Again radiation can be bad but more people were killed building Hoover Dam than have been killed in Power Plant Nuke accidents around the world combined.....
Go to www.jw.org and look for the Watchtower January 2013 "Should You Fear the End of the World"

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#95317 Feb 20, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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Go to www.jw.org and look for the Watchtower January 2013 "Should You Fear the End of the World"
Naw, I'll pass... Heard the cult crap many times have no need to read it now.....

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