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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141487 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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CommieTicsandZea lots

Somerset, KY

#95147 Feb 17, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
Hitler was a religie and some religies are self proclaimed nazis. Actually one self proclaimed nazi still posts on here under a different name but the nazi rhetoric is still there.
and the PROPOGANDA of!

Those who try and DENY the rights of ALL to-

"Fweedom of religion" and demand in true IGNORANCE, and in disrespect and intolerance for OTHERS, that ALL instead adhere to their way of fweeDUHM "from".

Which is EXACTlY what Hitler, the evile sociopath, tried to do.

GOD Bless AMERICA and true DEMOCRACY.

Because commieTics and the paganism of bites!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#95148 Feb 17, 2013
AReader wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG. Hitler was a sociopathic PAGAN HEATHEN.
In Mein Kampf (1925) Hitler criticized the Catholic Church in its political form, which he said failed to recognize Germany’s and Europe’s “racial problem”. His Party Charter for the nascent Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei demanded in Article 24, in contrast to strong Christian control of German’s spiritual life,“complete freedom of religion”(in so far, of course, as that was not a “danger to Germany”)(William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Arrow, 1991). Indeed, the official “Nazi Party Philosopher”, Alfred Rosenberg,(later to be hanged at Nuremberg), appointed of course with Hitler’s consent, was totally opposed to Christianity. However, Hitler the politician was also aware that to achieve power he would need to win votes from the Catholic Centre Party and could not afford total alienation.
Upon attaining office and enjoying a free hand, what line did Hitler take on religion and the Church? Five days after becoming Chancellor in 1933, Hitler allowed a sterilization law to pass, and had the Catholic Youth League disbanded (Shirer, The Rise). The latter was a measure applied to other youth organizations too, in order to free up young people to join the Hitler Youth. At the same time, Hitler also made an agreement with the Vatican to allow the Catholic Church to regulate its own affairs.(It is probably worth noting here the low value that Hitler placed on written agreements.) Parents were pressured to take their children out of religious schools. When the Church organized voluntary out-of-hours religious classes, the Nazi government responded by banning state-employed teachers from taking part. The Crucifix symbol was even at one point banned from classrooms in one particular jurisdiction, Oldenburg, in 1936, but the measure met with fierce public resistance and was rescinded. Hitler remained conscious of the affection for the Church felt in some quarters of Germany, particularly Bavaria. Later on, though, a wartime metal shortage was used as the excuse for melting church bells (Richard Grunberger, The Twelve Year Reich, Henry Holt, Henry Holt, 1979 and Richard Grunberger, A Social History of the Third Reich, Penguin, 1991).
Hitler’s references to providence and God and the ritualistic pageantry of Nazism were more than likely pagan than Christian. Earthly symbols of German valour and Teutonic strength were to be worshipped - not the forgiving, compassionate representative of an “Eastern Mediterranean servant ethic imposed on credulous ancient Germans by force and subterfuge”(the phrase is Burleigh’s own, in Michael Burleigh, The Third Reich: a New History, Pan, 2001). A Hitler Youth marching song (Grunberger, A Social History) illustrates it:
We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.
Get a REAL clue-and stop spreading LIES against innocent people!
I think it is a fallacy to compare anyone to Hitler or Nazis in the first place. It is an intellectually shallow way to argue.

However, when Christians try to argue that Hitler was not a Christian it is just as intellectually dishonest. We know that he claimed to be Catholic and that he used Biblical language and talked of God. We do not know what he truly believed, but that is true of anyone you care to name.

I remember some goofhead on this thread arguing for multiple pages that the Nazis were caused by Charles Darwin. On another thread some idiots have argued that pro-choice folks are like Hitler.

It is dumb as balls to compare people to Hitler because frankly it is just an easy target. He's universally considered to be a symbol of evil so if you want to vilify someone completely you might think of comparing them to Hitler. Don't do it. You'll lose the argument in a split second.

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Since: Dec 11

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#95149 Feb 17, 2013
AReader wrote:
<quoted text>
Being extreme, dark age, hung up on old testament junk is stupid.
That's why there's a New Testament.
Um...if you are a Christian then the OT is YOUR book. Not mine. If it truly is "junk" then how about we stop using Leviticus to demonize homosexuals? And let's stop using the OT to support spurious claims that Jesus was prophesied to come.

And for goodness sake pleeeeaaaase stop arguing that Noah's Ark was a real boat that held two of every animal.

Can we do that?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#95150 Feb 17, 2013
AReader wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG. Hitler was a sociopathic PAGAN HEATHEN.
In Mein Kampf (1925) Hitler criticized the Catholic Church in its political form, which he said failed to recognize Germany’s and Europe’s “racial problem”. His Party Charter for the nascent Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei demanded in Article 24, in contrast to strong Christian control of German’s spiritual life,“complete freedom of religion”(in so far, of course, as that was not a “danger to Germany”)(William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Arrow, 1991). Indeed, the official “Nazi Party Philosopher”, Alfred Rosenberg,(later to be hanged at Nuremberg), appointed of course with Hitler’s consent, was totally opposed to Christianity. However, Hitler the politician was also aware that to achieve power he would need to win votes from the Catholic Centre Party and could not afford total alienation.
Upon attaining office and enjoying a free hand, what line did Hitler take on religion and the Church? Five days after becoming Chancellor in 1933, Hitler allowed a sterilization law to pass, and had the Catholic Youth League disbanded (Shirer, The Rise). The latter was a measure applied to other youth organizations too, in order to free up young people to join the Hitler Youth. At the same time, Hitler also made an agreement with the Vatican to allow the Catholic Church to regulate its own affairs.(It is probably worth noting here the low value that Hitler placed on written agreements.) Parents were pressured to take their children out of religious schools. When the Church organized voluntary out-of-hours religious classes, the Nazi government responded by banning state-employed teachers from taking part. The Crucifix symbol was even at one point banned from classrooms in one particular jurisdiction, Oldenburg, in 1936, but the measure met with fierce public resistance and was rescinded. Hitler remained conscious of the affection for the Church felt in some quarters of Germany, particularly Bavaria. Later on, though, a wartime metal shortage was used as the excuse for melting church bells (Richard Grunberger, The Twelve Year Reich, Henry Holt, Henry Holt, 1979 and Richard Grunberger, A Social History of the Third Reich, Penguin, 1991).
Hitler’s references to providence and God and the ritualistic pageantry of Nazism were more than likely pagan than Christian. Earthly symbols of German valour and Teutonic strength were to be worshipped - not the forgiving, compassionate representative of an “Eastern Mediterranean servant ethic imposed on credulous ancient Germans by force and subterfuge”(the phrase is Burleigh’s own, in Michael Burleigh, The Third Reich: a New History, Pan, 2001). A Hitler Youth marching song (Grunberger, A Social History) illustrates it:
We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.
Get a REAL clue-and stop spreading LIES against innocent people!
Tea party more like a extremist christian group.

Why should anyone believe you?

Did Christians fight for Hitler sure they did.

Did Boy Scouts of America use the swastika , yes they did.

A white swastika on a black field was the flag of an American Boy Scout Troop from its founding to some point in the 1930's, when the Troop itself voted to discontinue its use, in light of the rise of the Nazi regime.

Hitler said he's a christian.

"God is with us." "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." — Adolf Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95153 Feb 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I'll take Maimonides' ethical discussion of the Amalekites over Yiago's.
Christianity isn't the same as Judaism, the God of the New Testament isn't the same as the God of the Torah. Nor is Judaism or Christianity practiced today, the same way it was during their founding.
I wil grant that no christian has done an animal sacrifice but you still worship the same god that demanded animal sacrifice and demanded that you be joyful as you kill children.
Or do you have a new god?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95154 Feb 17, 2013
CommieTicsandZealots wrote:
<quoted text>
and the PROPOGANDA of!
Those who try and DENY the rights of ALL to-
"Fweedom of religion" and demand in true IGNORANCE, and in disrespect and intolerance for OTHERS, that ALL instead adhere to their way of fweeDUHM "from".
Which is EXACTlY what Hitler, the evile sociopath, tried to do.
GOD Bless AMERICA and true DEMOCRACY.
Because commieTics and the paganism of bites!
So what Hitler tried to do, and what the christian cult tries to do is the same.
Yes, Satan bless this land of rights for every one
to huh

Chicago, IL

#95155 Feb 17, 2013
Huh
CommieTicsandZea lots

Somerset, KY

#95156 Feb 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it is a fallacy to compare anyone to Hitler or Nazis in the first place. It is an intellectually shallow way to argue.
However, when Christians try to argue that Hitler was not a Christian it is just as intellectually dishonest. We know that he claimed to be Catholic and that he used Biblical language and talked of God. We do not know what he truly believed, but that is true of anyone you care to name.
I remember some goofhead on this thread arguing for multiple pages that the Nazis were caused by Charles Darwin. On another thread some idiots have argued that pro-choice folks are like Hitler.
It is dumb as balls to compare people to Hitler because frankly it is just an easy target. He's universally considered to be a symbol of evil so if you want to vilify someone completely you might think of comparing them to Hitler. Don't do it. You'll lose the argument in a split second.
Hitler was a sociopathic, evile, power hungry, corrupt, thug- that disregarded anything he may have ever learned about HUMANE humanity.

In the top five of the most evil dictators of the 20th century.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely", and liie most corrupt and evil dictators, that was Hitlers ultimate quest.
CommieTicsandZea lots

Somerset, KY

#95157 Feb 17, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Um...if you are a Christian then the OT is YOUR book. Not mine. If it truly is "junk" then how about we stop using Leviticus to demonize homosexuals? And let's stop using the OT to support spurious claims that Jesus was prophesied to come.
And for goodness sake pleeeeaaaase stop arguing that Noah's Ark was a real boat that held two of every animal.
Can we do that?
you must be confusing me with someone else?

I dislike the OT, but do not discredit it's merit for glimpses into world history. I personally have always held preferable penchant for the NT.
As for Noahs Ark, I never read any such verses as being "exactly literal". For all we know (as we were NOT there) there may have been only ten types of animals in the vicinity of ANY flood.
That's my perspective, it's always been my perspective, and I'm sticking to it.
CommieTicsandZea lots

Somerset, KY

#95158 Feb 17, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
Tea party more like a extremist christian group.
Why should anyone believe you?
Did Christians fight for Hitler sure they did.
Did Boy Scouts of America use the swastika , yes they did.
A white swastika on a black field was the flag of an American Boy Scout Troop from its founding to some point in the 1930's, when the Troop itself voted to discontinue its use, in light of the rise of the Nazi regime.
Hitler said he's a christian.
"God is with us." "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." — Adolf Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941
Know him personally did you?

What's your point? LOTS of people joined the ranks of the NAZI's, those that weren't condemned to the evil plans of the same anyway.

Hitler had obviously grown AWAY from anything decent learned from "Christianity" into a charlatan, a cretin and one sick in the head, souless, corrupted power hungry, sociopath.

The Boy Scouts made a good choice in denouncing the symbolic of stupid.
CommieTicsandZea lots

Somerset, KY

#95159 Feb 17, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>So what Hitler tried to do, and what the christian cult tries to do is the same.
Yes, Satan bless this land of rights for every one
Maybe in your twisted book of reading, but not in mine.

I prefer "get thee away Satan", and burn in thee own piles of misery.

Mostly because Satan has been historically associated with nothing but evil.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#95160 Feb 17, 2013
CommieTicsandZealots wrote:
<quoted text>
Know him personally did you?
What's your point? LOTS of people joined the ranks of the NAZI's, those that weren't condemned to the evil plans of the same anyway.
Hitler had obviously grown AWAY from anything decent learned from "Christianity" into a charlatan, a cretin and one sick in the head, souless, corrupted power hungry, sociopath.
The Boy Scouts made a good choice in denouncing the symbolic of stupid.
Do you own a confederate flag? What do you think of Obama?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95161 Feb 17, 2013
Lmao, truth makes the religies(and self proclaimed nazi religies) a little upset.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95162 Feb 17, 2013
CommieTicsandZealots wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe in your twisted book of reading, but not in mine.
I prefer "get thee away Satan", and burn in thee own piles of misery.
Mostly because Satan has been historically associated with nothing but evil.
I guess we have a different definition of the word evil. Your god killed millions, said slavery and rape are good, demanded for you to kill children (now that is evil) so jehovah is evil and any one who worships jehovah is an evil devil worshipper. All Satan did was give us free will.
Jehovah= evil slavery, Satan = freedom

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95164 Feb 17, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
Lmao, truth makes the religies(and self proclaimed nazi religies) a little upset.
Truth, information, and knowledge are the enemies of the christian cult. The Internet was (and still is) thought to be the "anti-christ" because it put information at ones fingertips

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95166 Feb 17, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Truth, information, and knowledge are the enemies of the christian cult. The Internet was (and still is) thought to be the "anti-christ" because it put information at ones fingertips
Yep.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95167 Feb 17, 2013
Lets not forget that other religie love group the kkk.

Christian hate groups like the kkk, nazis(including the topix self proclaimed nazi) and the boyscouts all spread that special love and understanding called hypocrisy. Poof, there it is, lmao.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95168 Feb 17, 2013
O my, jesus and the neutered testement was all about love and forgiveness. Lets take a look,

"And the jews passover was at hand, and jesus went up to jerusalem and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen and poured out the changers money, and overthrew the tables and said unto them that sold doves take these things hence make not my father's house an house of merchandise."

Maybe he should have just ask them to leave but noooo,
love love love.

And revelations is in the neutered testement last I checked, now theres some love.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95169 Feb 17, 2013
Good and evil;
More Baby Bashing



"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)

Jehovah is evil

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#95170 Feb 17, 2013
Religies are so funny,

Lets compare,

1. christians established a ‘cult of "god in a jesus suit" worship’.

2. christians used a series of propaganda and threat of terror to achieve its cult status.

3. Youth were made to worship this god also.

Lmfao what hypocrisy.

No religious holy books in public schools, they obviously create stupidity in humans.

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