Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,599

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#95100 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It's just that atheism doesn't have thousands of years of disciplined study in moral values, like religions have. Not to mention, the supernatural.
I don't hate radical secularists and atheist extremists, I pity them.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of atheism. It is not a belief system nor it is a moral system. It is a description of one's position on belief in god. If you accept the god hypothesis then you are a theist. If you do not, then you are an atheist.

Period, end of story, nothing more to say about it.

You can't disconnect atheists from theists in terms of their ability to understand or reason about morals. The fact is that every religion includes some form of moral theory, all of which has been grown out of hundreds of thousands of years of human cultural evolution. It isn't like suddenly there are atheists and we don't know anything about morals.

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#95101 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's no modern Christian movement that has "moral values like sacrificing your children to a god or killing people of a different faith", radical secularists don't understand Christianity.
On the contrary:

"The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life released a survey on religious knowledge today. Atheists and Agnostics scored higher on it than anyone else, closely followed by Jews and Mormons, all Christians, Protestants and Catholics, were far behind."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/2...

In my personal experience discussing this with people at work or in other settings *most* people know very little about the Bible. I'm an atheist. I am not a Bible scholar and I've never read the whole thing. But I know much more than most people I encounter.

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#95102 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler had the backing of Italy, the Catholic Church was just another hostage.
"Uh-uh! You missed me. I was wearin' my anti-Hitler armor!"

God, I love Christian apologists. Endless fun.

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#95103 Feb 16, 2013
I'm god. I live in the nothingness. I'm perfect in my human form, all perfect alphpa omega. Feeling a bit bored suspended in nothingness for eternity, think I'll make something. Poof. Ah, now there is everything. Hmmm can't see crap, poof, suns, moons, heaven, few black holes, slugs and mites. Now that blue planet,,, think I'll mess with a bit, suspension in nothingness has made god a dull boy, I need animals to fool with,, poof. Duck billed platypus, carp, t-rex, plants, maijuana hell yes. Hell,,,hummm ok, poof, hell. Man,, there I go with my bad self, man. A little dirt and poof, man. Ok, he's got a thingy,, maybe a place to stick it and keep him in what will be called the dog house,,, a rib from my boy and poof,,, woooo man... yes, that will work, woman. Hmmmm, think I may mess with him since his brain is a bit big. Ok, so man you live here, chill out, smoke my herb dude, eat my food,, but not too much,, get a tan, but careful, too much any you'll cook,, ok so everything about is designed to kill you if abused, even better let me configure your mind to want, but can't have,, seek and not find,, question and get no answers,,hahaha,, you are so funny to mess with.. hey I got an idea,, now you must worship me and never know if I exist, sacrafice in my name but confuse you with it,, oh I got it,, all you do is moral or not and if it feels good or taste fine, it's bad,, hahaha, boy I should made you guys all eternity ago.. devil,,,,hell yes I need a devil to temp you poor bastards even more from my wishs,, hahahaha,,, I'm getting into this,,,wait,,, yes, quit now, well after a few angels bag a few of the hot ones down there,,, WTF,, crap,,, war is broke out up here in my heaven,, damn it,, I may go back to nothingness.

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#95104 Feb 16, 2013
If you want to explore the various philosophical problems with Christianity in a way that will make you chuckle, I highly recommend the video series Mr. Deity:

On the Problem of Evil:



Introducing Jesus Christ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Let there be light:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Brilliant. And funny.
so true

Morgantown, KY

#95105 Feb 16, 2013
Dont know how you guys, keep up the fight,, reading yall's wears me ragged.. Hope the fight is well worth it in the end..

If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you wonít.
If you like to win, but donít think you can,
Itís almost a cinch that you wonít.

If you think youíll lose, youíve lost,
For out in the world youíll find
Success begins with a personís will;
Itís all in the state of mind.

For many a game is lost
Before even a step is run
And many a coward fails
Before his work is begun.

Think big and your deed will grow;
Think small and you will fall behind.
Think that you can and you will;
Itís all in the state of mind.

If you think that you are out-classed, you are;
Youíve got to think high to rise.
Youíve got to be sure of yourself
Before you can win the prize.

Lifeís battles don't always go
To the strongest or fastest man
But sooner or later the person who wins
Is the person who thinks they can.

Good Day to each and everyone of ya....
GWB

Roseville, CA

#95106 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler had the backing of Italy, the Catholic Church was just another hostage.
Nazi attitudes towards Christianity

Many Nazis promoted positive Christianity, a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which viewed Christ as an active fighter and anti-semite who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[38] Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts.[39]

Protestant and Catholic served Hiltler and his agenda.

So please stop showing your ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi...
Caught ya lookin

Clinton, IL

#95107 Feb 16, 2013
bible says wrote:
<quoted text>
i think i understand your book alot better than u do. if u would read it with the brain of an adult u would see all the bull it is, but since u still have the same fears that was used to scare u in to submission as a child u just cant see to read the bible with an adult thought process. it is very sad to see how the church has really destroyed the advancement of the human race with all its so called rights and wrongs. without churches science could really discover the limits with stem cell research that could possibly do the one miracle that even your god cant do (healing an amputee if u dont know what im refering to). all they can say is u are tryin to play god and its wrong and if we do this jesus will come back and blah blah blah til im sick and tired out it. get some real evidence or get over it already, all that u do is say the bible is true cuz the bible says the bibles true therefore i know i cant be wrong. your arrogance is only second to your ignorance so please try get a grip with reality and get out of the fantasy worlds u live in.
That's your shot at an insult?! LOL!
Yeah, we should follow your code of ethics where you harvest babies so you may get to live a little longer. I can't believe everybody doesn't agree with you, that sounds logical.
Geez, you really do live for yourself, don't ya?
Reader

Somerset, KY

#95108 Feb 16, 2013
The Specialist wrote:
Any Edgar Allan Poe fans?
Tell Tale Heart..thump thump...thump thump.

Dark minded writer living in a dark world that one was!
NewTestamonials

Somerset, KY

#95109 Feb 16, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>So "modern christians" are a NEW religion that worships a NEW loving god, not the god in the bible who ordered animal sacrifice and killing children?
At least you admit that you made up a new god
Reason number one why Jesus seemed to be an okay dude. He did NOT promote hatred or sin, including the harming of others, or people putting/getting themselves into such predicamentsto do so, or resulting in.
Only the forgiveness of.
Reader

Somerset, KY

#95110 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler had the backing of Italy, the Catholic Church was just another hostage.
As was Poland (just to name another Euro country) that was at the commie meglomaniacal hands of the sociopathic and evile Hitler, the aryn insanely depraved, freak of the century.
Reader

Somerset, KY

#95111 Feb 16, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
"Uh-uh! You missed me. I was wearin' my anti-Hitler armor!"
God, I love Christian apologists. Endless fun.
Funny as watching the "atheist" (un)righteouness of rags igonrance hypocrites.

Lump and labelDUHMing them awrl and cawrlz 'ema ll DUH same anywayz lol.
Reader

Somerset, KY

#95112 Feb 16, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
Nazi attitudes towards Christianity
Many Nazis promoted positive Christianity, a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which viewed Christ as an active fighter and anti-semite who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[38] Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts.[39]
Protestant and Catholic served Hiltler and his agenda.
So please stop showing your ignorance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi...
When you stop quoting wikistoopedia as some ethical source of "originality fact" (cause it's NOT-talk about sticking pins in bouquest of balloon jawbs!!)
DER.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#95113 Feb 16, 2013
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
When you stop quoting wikistoopedia as some ethical source of "originality fact" (cause it's NOT-talk about sticking pins in bouquest of balloon jawbs!!)
DER.
Showing same reasoning as Hitler by your remarks if want a end to secular schools and have people of christian faith teach the children the gospel.

Hitler argued against secular schools, stating: "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith."

Halls, W.D.(1995). Politics, society and Christianity in Vichy France. Oxford: Berg. pp. 179Ė81. ISBN 1-85973-081-7.

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War, WV

#95114 Feb 16, 2013
NewTestamonials wrote:
<quoted text>
Reason number one why Jesus seemed to be an okay dude. He did NOT promote hatred or sin, including the harming of others, or people putting/getting themselves into such predicamentsto do so, or resulting in.
Only the forgiveness of.
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.



The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

What the christian cult does not tell you is that everything was only for the Jews, Jesus hated every one else

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#95116 Feb 16, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
I noticed you use the term "modern" but before you referred to morals learned over thousands of years.
We no longer make blood sacrifice to God or your idols.

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emperorjohn wrote:
Well in your buybull, your holy book, god made a man sacrifice his own daughter to appease his vanity.
I don't take bible study with people who don't appreciate the text.

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emperorjohn wrote:
In your precious books, the foundation of your moral value system, a prophet kills people for worshiping the God Baal.
That's not all the people who worshiped Baal did, they sacrificed their children. Do you get it?

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#95117 Feb 16, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
So "modern christians" are a NEW religion that worships a NEW loving god,
Is this some new concept, God commands we love Him. I don't think S.P. knows much about ethical monotheism.

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Satanic Priest wrote:
not the god in the bible who ordered animal sacrifice
Christianity's God never required animal sacrifice since He gave His only Son as a sacrifice for our original sin.

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Satanic Priest wrote:
and killing children?
You always cite biblical law, that parents can call for the execution of their child; that takes the law from the parents and puts it to the community. Now, cite the cases where children have been put to death for disobedience. Zero, biblical law works excellently more often than not.

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Satanic Priest wrote:
At least you admit that you made up a new god
There's a modern understanding of ethical monotheism and morality. If you don't buy it, offer something better. All I've seen is hogwash.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95118 Feb 16, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
On the contrary:
"The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life released a survey on religious knowledge today. Atheists and Agnostics scored higher on it than anyone else, closely followed by Jews and Mormons, all Christians, Protestants and Catholics, were far behind."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/2...
In my personal experience discussing this with people at work or in other settings *most* people know very little about the Bible. I'm an atheist. I am not a Bible scholar and I've never read the whole thing. But I know much more than most people I encounter.
You evidently have never talked to Jehovah's Witnesses (even small ones)! Give it a try you may be surprised!
Napoleon said it best

Elizabethtown, KY

#95119 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Christianity's God never required animal sacrifice since He gave His only Son as a sacrifice for our original sin.
Wow. You do realize the coming of Christ is a sequel? In part one (old testament) God did require animal sacrifice.
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You always cite biblical law, that parents can call for the execution of their child; that takes the law from the parents and puts it to the community. Now, cite the cases where children have been put to death for disobedience. Zero, biblical law works excellently more often than not.
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It is not far fetched to believe that the bronze age barbarians who created or believed such a law, never enforced such a thing. Especially considering we can take a look at countries that operate as theocracies using the old testament laws, to witness parents who have their children stoned to death for being raped, and it doesn't seem unimaginable that they would do it during a time when they thought an eclipse was eating the sun forever.
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Biblical law works excellently? For whom? For those who are deeply involved in the church? Sure? For say....women, homosexuals, and those choosing to believe in another religion....not so much.
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And where exactly does it excel? Human rights? Freedom of speech and expression? Animal rights? No...none of those. Again, there are those who practice a religion which begins with a translation of the old testament, and they murder their own children for the crime of seducing a man to rape them.
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The ethics and moral compass of a bronze age society, have no place in today's world. Enjoy the parables and proverbs, and if you find some personal wisdom within these, more power to you. If you want to tell everyone else how to live under penalty of law, or use a publicly funded forum within a secular society to do so, no thank you.

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Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95120 Feb 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Is this some new concept, God commands we love Him. I don't think S.P. knows much about ethical monotheism.
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<quoted text>Christianity's God never required animal sacrifice since He gave His only Son as a sacrifice for our original sin.
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<quoted text>You always cite biblical law, that parents can call for the execution of their child; that takes the law from the parents and puts it to the community. Now, cite the cases where children have been put to death for disobedience. Zero, biblical law works excellently more often than not.
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<quoted text>There's a modern understanding of ethical monotheism and morality. If you don't buy it, offer something better. All I've seen is hogwash.
Psalms 137 verse 9 tells you to rejoice as you kill babies. And you no longer sacrifice animals because we will hunt you down if you do

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