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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142438 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#95022 Feb 14, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
The rule of seperation of Church and State was violated when it became law that it was OK to teach the unbelievable religion of evolution in public school! Can you explain why it is ok to teach one single religion at the exclusion of all others?
Yes... Because The Theory of Evolution is not a religion... It's is based on Evidence not Belief... It's basic concept can be changed at any time with the finding of new evidence...

Religion is based on Belief without a requirement for evidence, It's basic concept cannot be changed even in with evidence of it's errors..

See the difference?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#95023 Feb 14, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
The rule of seperation of Church and State was violated when it became law that it was OK to teach the unbelievable religion of evolution in public school! Can you explain why it is ok to teach one single religion at the exclusion of all others?
The watchtower teach that having a blood tranfusion would cause you to be dis-fellowship and disagreeing with the watchtower on this teaching would be a sin against the holy spirit. Is that true?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95024 Feb 14, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
The rule of seperation of Church and State was violated when it became law that it was OK to teach the unbelievable religion of evolution in public school! Can you explain why it is ok to teach one single religion at the exclusion of all others?
Evolution is not based on faith with no evedence so it is not a religion.
Why do you insist on pushing your beliefs on to others? What makes you so special that you can push what you believe?
Please offer some proof that your beliefs are real
Lyn

Versailles, KY

#95025 Feb 14, 2013
just my opinion wrote:
Isn't there a way that it could be taught and the parents have a choice as to whether their child did or did not attend that specific class? I myself think it is a good idea, but I can't speak for everyone. There is so much going on in our schools nowadays, maybe for some this will help. It's scary how things have become. When I attended high school, there was a class there, but it was our choice as to whether or not to attend. This is just my opinion.
I AGREE....I beeive there should be a CHOICE if we want our kids to attend a class like this. I say give it a trial-make it availble and LET PEOPLE CHOOSE if they want their kids involved. If it doesn't work-at least it was TRIED, and if it does work....it is just another foundation for our future generation.
Lyn

Versailles, KY

#95026 Feb 14, 2013
why NOT give people a CHOICE. I understand there are numerous reigions, but there is only ONE God, and ONE hsot a life on earth-we all need to make the best of what we have, and a "education" about a loving God can't be all wrong :)
GWB

Roseville, CA

#95027 Feb 14, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution is not based on faith with no evedence so it is not a religion.
Why do you insist on pushing your beliefs on to others? What makes you so special that you can push what you believe?
Please offer some proof that your beliefs are real
Very Good Question.

That is not to me but I think I know the answer to that question. I have relatives who are JW's.

First thing is they are required by Watchtower to preach what they have been taught.

Second, if they do not preach to others they would be charge with blood guilt of others because they did not fulfill their commission to preach the watchtower beliefs to give others a chance to become saved therefore be a sin for them.

Also,JW will claim the time they preach watchtower doctrine on topix forum and then is sent to the holy spirit board members of the watchtower for credit.

Third they cannot go against the watchtower teaching or they will be guilty of a unforgivable sin against the holy spirit (aka) the watchtower.

The fear of being shunned from friends and family members is very strong and the fear of sinning against the holy spirit is a even greater sin and they will never be the same with friends, family that belong to their religion or the watchtower.

So you can see this is a uphill battle to try and educate them on certain scientific theories that is not in agreement with the watchtower.

When you tell JW that Evolution is not a religion, they will disagree no matter what evidence is presented to them. That does not mean you should not try and refute the watchtower arguments if you can.

Other people reading topix would like to see both sides of this debate, thanks to those who are knowledgeable in these areas for their contribution to the debate.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95028 Feb 14, 2013
Lyn wrote:
why NOT give people a CHOICE. I understand there are numerous reigions, but there is only ONE God, and ONE hsot a life on earth-we all need to make the best of what we have, and a "education" about a loving God can't be all wrong :)
No one is saying that you can not teach your beliefs to your children, you can send them to Sunday school. What we are saying is that your rights end where our rights begin so stay away from my children!
There are over two thousand Gods, but the christian god is not loving, have you ever read the bible? Your god is the most evil, hate filled, blood lusting being in fiction! ACTIONS speak louder than words! I wonder if you worship your god or cherry pick bible verses to justify yourself and ignore the rest?(do you really want young girls to read about Lot and think that god likes it when girls have sex with their own father?)

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#95029 Feb 14, 2013
My iron chariot is my "lil" red blazer it is fueled by spontaneous poots. Be sure to not light a match there would be a great magnipoot.hehehe

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95030 Feb 14, 2013
THE UNA FARTER wrote:
My iron chariot is my "lil" red blazer it is fueled by spontaneous poots. Be sure to not light a match there would be a great magnipoot.hehehe
If we could just bottle that gas we would never burn petrol again

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#95031 Feb 14, 2013
Lyn wrote:
why NOT give people a CHOICE. I understand there are numerous reigions, but there is only ONE God, and ONE hsot a life on earth-we all need to make the best of what we have, and a "education" about a loving God can't be all wrong :)
NOTE; I COPIED THIS FROM FREEDOMOFTHOUGHT
CHOICE OF GODS
Other Figures Sharing Attributes with the Christ Character

Other ancient figures of religion, myth, tradition and lore who share qualities or characteristics with the mythical "Jesus Christ" are listed below. Some of these may also have influenced the Christian effort more or less directly, while others, such as Quetzalcoatl, are included because their story follows the same basic archetype, its existence in the "New World" explainable as a result of it representing observations and worship of nature, including astrotheology.

While a number of them, such as Isis, assuredly were influential on the Christ myth, I include them in this "others" list because I have not gone into their characteristics in depth in Christ Con. More about some of them can be found in other books, such as Suns of God and Christ in Egypt.

• Adad and Marduk of Assyria, the latter of whom was considered "the Word" (Logos)
• Alexander the Great of Greece
• Heracles/Hercules and Zeus of Greece
• Indra of India and Tibet
• Baal or Bel of Babylon/Phoenicia
• Balder, Odin/Wodin/Woden/Wotan and Frey of Scandinavia
• Bali of Afghanistan
• Caesar Augustus of Rome
• Chu Chulainn of Ireland
• Codom and Deva Tat (Buddha) of Siam
• Dahzbog of the Slavs
• Fo-hi, Lao-Kiun, Tien and Shang-Ti of China
• Hermes of Egypt/Greece
• Hesus of the Druids and Gauls
• Isis of Egypt
• Jao/Iao of Nepal
• Jupiter/Jove of Rome
• Mithra of Persia/India
• Perseus of Greece
• Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece
• Quetzalcoatl of Mexico
• Quirinius of Rome
• Salivahana of southern India, who was a "divine child, born of a virgin, and was the son of a carpenter," himself also being called "the Carpenter," and whose name or title means "cross-borne" ("Salvation")
• The Mikado of the Shintos
• Thor of the Gauls
• Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
• Xamolxis/Zalmoxis of Thrace, the savior who "promised eternal life to guests at his sacramental Last Supper. Then he went into the underworld, and rose again on the third day"
• Yahweh of Israel

Other figures in antiquity who share attributes with Jesus can be seen in this list of "dying and rising gods" or "life-death-rebirth deities" on Wikipedia:

Adonis, Amun, Andjety, Antinous, Asclepius, Ataegine, Attis, Baal, Baiame, Baldr, Chinnamasta, Coatlicue, Cronus, Damu, Dionysus, Dumuzi, Eshmun, Euri, Geštinanna, Green Man, Gullveig, Heitsi-eibib, Heqet, Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Izanagi, Jarilo, Jesus, Julunggul, Kaknu, Kali, Khepri, Krishna, Manannαn mac Lir, Melqart, Moremi, Nut, Obatala, Odin, Opheus, Osiris, Queen of Heaven, Persephone, Phoenix, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Shiva, Tammuz, Vayu, Veles, Wawalag, Xipe Totec, Zalmoxis, Zorya, Zywie.
comare

Manchester, KY

#95032 Feb 14, 2013
STOP already with religion in public schools! It does not belong there, period. END of story! That is why we have the freedom of choice to send our kids, and ourselves to the house of worship (or not, if we prefer that path) we want. School is a place of the A,B,Cs, and that's it! Tax payers' money is NOT for the teaching of ANY of the 1,000s of religions (just NOT Southern Baptists). Could we please have an Amen and put this to rest already.
WJWP

Indianapolis, IN

#95035 Feb 14, 2013
Yes, who's Bible are we going to choose? Once again we are taking the parents job and making the school do it. Parents don't have to do anything for their kids anymore. It's the government and true schools raising the kids today.
Based Allah

Hazard, KY

#95036 Feb 14, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
The rule of seperation of Church and State was violated when it became law that it was OK to teach the unbelievable religion of evolution in public school! Can you explain why it is ok to teach one single religion at the exclusion of all others?
Did you fall out of the stupid tree, or were you dragged through the dumbass forest? Oh my, I don't even know how to combat this amount of stupidity... Please, never reproduce.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95037 Feb 14, 2013
The Bible does not tell us how long it took Satan the Devil to talk Eve into a rebellion against the God of the universe. HE USES THE SAME TACTICS TODAY! 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95038 Feb 14, 2013
comare wrote:
STOP already with religion in public schools! It does not belong there, period. END of story! That is why we have the freedom of choice to send our kids, and ourselves to the house of worship (or not, if we prefer that path) we want. School is a place of the A,B,Cs, and that's it! Tax payers' money is NOT for the teaching of ANY of the 1,000s of religions (just NOT Southern Baptists). Could we please have an Amen and put this to rest already.
Yes I can say an amen and wait for you to insist that they take the religion of evolution out of the public school system. I see some who insist evolution had been proven but they never post the infallable proof that evolution is any more believable than most other religions. You see them refer to evolution taking place millions of years ago. Where is the proof? If it really happened it should be able to be reproduced but as it is science cannot reproduce (or create) a simple blade of grass. Yet the planet is covered with grass which proves what???? CREATION requires a CREATOR!
Napoleon said it best

Campbellsville, KY

#95039 Feb 14, 2013
Known Fact -
You do not understand science, at all.
A scientific law is an observed physical phenomenon that always occurs. i.e. things fall down, things at rest tend to stay at rest, or offspring are different from their parents. These are scientific laws. Note that there is absolutely no explanation for any of these events within the law, only a description of the observation. The explanation is the theory: in this case, the theories of gravity, inertia and evolution, respectively.
There is indeed a "law" of evolution, and that is that the genetic composition of a population changes over time (offspring are different than their parents). Every piece of evidence gathered so far from a wide variety of fields has supported the theory of evolution as the explanation for this observed 'law'. There is no point at which a theory somehow graduates to become a law. A theory is either upheld (as evolution has been, time and time again), or it is discarded (as spontaneous generation was).
If you truly disagree with evolution.....grab a shovel and dig. Dig down through the layers of Earth and stop when you find say a modern day horse skeleton on the same layer as animals from the Jurassic or Cambrian periods.
You won't. What you will find is exactly what evolution predicts (accurate prediction also exist within the theories of gravity, and inertia); and that is that simple lifeforms existed before more complex lifeforms.
Before DNA was discovered, the theory of evolution suggested biological relationships between species of the same genus. Low and behold chimps and other primates have more genetic similarities with us than say fish, or plant.
Finally your request to reproduce evolution to create a blade of grass, is infantile to say the least. You are correct, science cannot reproduce evolution...as science cannot simulate a billion year process because IT WOULD TAKE A BILLION YEARS!!!
If this is the best argument you can bring, please pray to your God for a better one.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#95040 Feb 14, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I can say an amen and wait for you to insist that they take the religion of evolution out of the public school system. I see some who insist evolution had been proven but they never post the infallable proof that evolution is any more believable than most other religions. You see them refer to evolution taking place millions of years ago. Where is the proof? If it really happened it should be able to be reproduced but as it is science cannot reproduce (or create) a simple blade of grass. Yet the planet is covered with grass which proves what???? CREATION requires a CREATOR!
I'm sorry, did someone confuse you? Here let me Clarify... It's called the Theory of Evolution... And concerning specific is it still theory bolstered by evidence that is readily available for your personal study. Some aspects that are the Basis of the theory have been indeed Proven and can be validated and reproduced simple by making the effort... The Evolutionary concept of Mutation can be studied, verified, reproduced in a study of viruses, bacteria, and human mitochondrial DNA.... The Evolutionary concept of basic changes within a species to produce variation that can better fit the prevailing environment can be validated, reproduced in the assorted birds on isolated islands or in canine and feline body types and variations, plus millions of other species... Not as for Evolution of Species I agree is is not Proven to an Absolute in that the Theory says such specie change requires geological time frames to reproduce and we mortals don't last that long... But the term Proven is a Subjective term and is really not used in science except in mathematics or by those that are using it for the uninformed masses to make points...

A person may see one piece of Evidence.. A bone, a paper, a fossil, a single character written on a wall, a light in the sky, a video ect.. and make the Personal Conclusion that what ever is being claimed is Proven... It's a human bone 50 years old, It's a page from the Bible a 1000 years old, It's a 100 million years old ant fossil, It's Sumerian Writing in Peru, It's a Alien Space Craft or All LAPD cops beat innocent people, ect...

Another Person may see 1000 pieces of Evidence on each of those issues and conclude that the Evidence does not Prove the claims made.... So the Term Proven is a Individual Personal Subjective idea...

To Some there has been produced and studied in the Millions of pieces of Evidence enough for them to Conclude Evolution of Species is Proven... To some there is No Evidence short of seeing a Cat give Birth to a Horse live and in color that they would consider Proving the concept of Evolution of Species, and even then would argue a 1000 reasons it happened had nothing to do with Evolution...

Hope this clarifies thing for you but I doubt it since your view seems to say a Invisible Extra Dimensional Alien snapped his fingers the Trillions upon trillions of Stars in the Billions upon billions of Galaxies scattered across billions of light years of the Universe did it so a tiny speck of dust we call earth would be home for 2 Humans and there offspring... Yea I can see a issue with your understanding of the term "Proven"

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#95041 Feb 14, 2013
Napoleon said it best wrote:
Known Fact -
You do not understand science, at all.
A scientific law is an observed physical phenomenon that always occurs. i.e. things fall down, things at rest tend to stay at rest, or offspring are different from their parents. These are scientific laws. Note that there is absolutely no explanation for any of these events within the law, only a description of the observation. The explanation is the theory: in this case, the theories of gravity, inertia and evolution, respectively.
There is indeed a "law" of evolution, and that is that the genetic composition of a population changes over time (offspring are different than their parents). Every piece of evidence gathered so far from a wide variety of fields has supported the theory of evolution as the explanation for this observed 'law'. There is no point at which a theory somehow graduates to become a law. A theory is either upheld (as evolution has been, time and time again), or it is discarded (as spontaneous generation was).
If you truly disagree with evolution.....grab a shovel and dig. Dig down through the layers of Earth and stop when you find say a modern day horse skeleton on the same layer as animals from the Jurassic or Cambrian periods.
You won't. What you will find is exactly what evolution predicts (accurate prediction also exist within the theories of gravity, and inertia); and that is that simple lifeforms existed before more complex lifeforms.
Before DNA was discovered, the theory of evolution suggested biological relationships between species of the same genus. Low and behold chimps and other primates have more genetic similarities with us than say fish, or plant.
Finally your request to reproduce evolution to create a blade of grass, is infantile to say the least. You are correct, science cannot reproduce evolution...as science cannot simulate a billion year process because IT WOULD TAKE A BILLION YEARS!!!
If this is the best argument you can bring, please pray to your God for a better one.
Well Stated and Dead On....
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#95042 Feb 14, 2013
Napoleon said it best wrote:
Known Fact -
You do not understand science, at all.
A scientific law is an observed physical phenomenon that always occurs. i.e. things fall down, things at rest tend to stay at rest, or offspring are different from their parents. These are scientific laws. Note that there is absolutely no explanation for any of these events within the law, only a description of the observation. The explanation is the theory: in this case, the theories of gravity, inertia and evolution, respectively.
There is indeed a "law" of evolution, and that is that the genetic composition of a population changes over time (offspring are different than their parents). Every piece of evidence gathered so far from a wide variety of fields has supported the theory of evolution as the explanation for this observed 'law'. There is no point at which a theory somehow graduates to become a law. A theory is either upheld (as evolution has been, time and time again), or it is discarded (as spontaneous generation was).
If you truly disagree with evolution.....grab a shovel and dig. Dig down through the layers of Earth and stop when you find say a modern day horse skeleton on the same layer as animals from the Jurassic or Cambrian periods.
You won't. What you will find is exactly what evolution predicts (accurate prediction also exist within the theories of gravity, and inertia); and that is that simple lifeforms existed before more complex lifeforms.
Before DNA was discovered, the theory of evolution suggested biological relationships between species of the same genus. Low and behold chimps and other primates have more genetic similarities with us than say fish, or plant.
Finally your request to reproduce evolution to create a blade of grass, is infantile to say the least. You are correct, science cannot reproduce evolution...as science cannot simulate a billion year process because IT WOULD TAKE A BILLION YEARS!!!
If this is the best argument you can bring, please pray to your God for a better one.
I'm glad you brought up inertia:
1. Physics The tendency of a body to resist acceleration; the tendency of a body at rest to remain at rest or of a body in straight line motion to stay in motion in a straight line unless acted on by an outside force.
The very fact that things at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon by an outside force and or things in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. Since the universe i full of objects on the move my question to you since you are a scientific genus can you explain how all of those got in motion? What was the outside force? Oh a brillant light just went off...maybe just maybe the outside force was the creator of the universe....God himself. True science agrees with the Bible. See Genesis 1:1,2
1&#8194;In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.

Ah ha the outside force was God's active force.

Since: Feb 13

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#95043 Feb 15, 2013
Known Fact: I noticed that you ignored the correction of your false statement that evolution is a religion. Please respond to this and save the subject changing for later.

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