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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143088 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#94791 Feb 7, 2013
My wife and I studied the Bible with a lady who became a Jehovah's Witness and after awhile she said," If they just knew what we have they would flock to us like bees to honey"

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#94792 Feb 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
My wife and I studied the Bible with a lady who became a Jehovah's Witness and after awhile she said," If they just knew what we have they would flock to us like bees to honey"
Depending on who "they" might be...

Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#94793 Feb 7, 2013
Ann wrote:
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Blood isn't intended to be ingested in this manner. The best way to explain the difference is by analogy:
Let's say you had a terrible case of hemorrhoids and the nurse told you that, instead of inserting a suppository into your rectum, she told you to suck on it. Yuck. You would never do that.
It's faulty to suggest that Jehova's Witnesses decline blood transfusions because it's comparable to drinking blood. That's insulting to practicing Jehova's Witnesses.
It's also faulty to suggest that the reason behind declining blood transfusions is related to the threat of HIV, STDs, etc... It goes much deeper than that.
Blood is dangerous medicine but you are correct, the main reason is because Jehovah forbids the injesting of blood either way! Acts 15:28,29 28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
I want to call your attention to the fact that the inspired Scriptures put the misuse of blood in bad company, things sacrificed to idols and fornication! You may as well worship idols or be a prostitute as to take blood! Not a happy thought is it?
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#94794 Feb 7, 2013
(cont) BLOOD
I want to call your attention to the fact that the HOLY SPIRIT was involved with making that decision. So taking blood is going against the holy spirit.
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#94795 Feb 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Depending on who "they" might be...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tXsxvdF481IXX
I suppose she was referring to anybody in general who is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses but think they know SO much about us!
so true

Morgantown, KY

#94796 Feb 7, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Who on here hasn't been led in the wrong direction by our hearts, and desires?
No sin is worse than another...
Loving the Creator of this world, and the space it flies through.
Has given us the Big Ten, and Jesus narrowed it down
to really two..
Love God, and Love yer neighbor...
The Heavens declair His Glory, If one is awake, you
cannot deny that ALL this just didn't happen on it's own!
The Lord has proven Himself to me... I surely would not
be here IF He did not exist, and He told me, that He was always
there, and it was I who walked away from Him... I did!
But I think I would not have been stronger If
I didn't go through all I did!
Cannot a drunk tell you better the evils of getting drunk?
I'm not saying that a glass of whatever will keep you out
of heaven, but making it your 'god' will, and being a drunk,
you've clearly made drink your god!
I think the mind plants the seed of sin, if one thinks upon it,
and then it grows in your heart to do so...
Your heart would find a way to justify (deceive) you into
thinking it's a 'Good' idea to do whatever...
I find it would be Extremely hard for one to truly know God is real
to 'want' to sin again...
I know... I'm Rambling on.... You have a Great, and Blessed day :-)
Thanks , I enjoyed your rambling...

“Pulmonary Hypertension aware”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#94797 Feb 7, 2013
so true wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks , I enjoyed your rambling...
how is it that if we disagree with christians we are wrong but you can feel free to try to bully us into your belief. How is that right. The Goddess has never let me down why would i abandon her

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#94798 Feb 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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I suppose she was referring to anybody in general who is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses but think they know SO much about us!
You haven't been helping your case. If you want to SPAM people with how great your cult/sect/denomination/religio n is, put on a suit or a sandwich board and go hand out flyers in front of K-Mart.
so true

Morgantown, KY

#94799 Feb 7, 2013
No harm to you in any way. I tend to bully noone. To you and whoever you serve, much kindness to you and nothing more. I had questions , and was just looking for answer day to day. You may be a lost angel, but I also know what lost is.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#94800 Feb 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
(cont) BLOOD
I want to call your attention to the fact that the HOLY SPIRIT was involved with making that decision. So taking blood is going against the holy spirit.
...ALLEGEDLY involved with making that decision - and HEAVILY INTERPRETED by JW church elders.

I want to point out THAT is not in the scripture you cited. There are NO references to human sacrificial blood, cannibalism or blood transfusions in Acts. Consumption of animal blood as a food is IN NO WAY comparable to a medical procedure, and according to most Christians, Jesus HIMSELF lifted the dietary restrictions as well as the need for/practice of animal sacrifices.
Or are you inferring that JWs secretly practice sacrifices to idols...?
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#94801 Feb 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
...ALLEGEDLY involved with making that decision - and HEAVILY INTERPRETED by JW church elders.
I want to point out THAT is not in the scripture you cited. There are NO references to human sacrificial blood, cannibalism or blood transfusions in Acts. Consumption of animal blood as a food is IN NO WAY comparable to a medical procedure, and according to most Christians, Jesus HIMSELF lifted the dietary restrictions as well as the need for/practice of animal sacrifices.
Or are you inferring that JWs secretly practice sacrifices to idols...?
In the Bible if animal blood was forbidden how much more would that apply to Human Blood?

What does the word 'abstain' mean?
Known Fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#94802 Feb 7, 2013
See Acts 15:28,29
GWB

Roseville, CA

#94803 Feb 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
That is to accomodate our Spanish brothers who speak Spanish. At the Kingdom Hall I attend we have 3 English 3 Spanish and 1 French but that has absolutely nothing to do with segregation! We also have a Russian Congregation in New Youk City etc.
You seem to be 'nit picking' just trying to find fault and do not know what you are talking about. The Pharisees did the same thing with Jesus and his followers.
Are you saying they are border jumpers and cannot speak English? You claimed no segregation period. You readily jump to false statements and then resort to name calling when your statements are found to be false and deflect from your own lack of integrity.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#94804 Feb 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
(cont) BLOOD
I want to call your attention to the fact that the HOLY SPIRIT was involved with making that decision. So taking blood is going against the holy spirit.
There is no forgiveness for sinning against the holy spirit. So did any converts confess having blood transfusions before becoming a JW?

I see that sinning against the holy spirit and then unsinning it is determined by the watchtower leaders.

1967:“Is there any Scriptural objection to donating one’s body for use in medical research or to accepting organs for transplant from such a source? another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others.…

Now you can have the transplant, because the watchtower has un-sinned it.
TRUE BLUE

Hazard, KY

#94805 Feb 7, 2013
What's the legislature doing this for? They are $1 billion + short on the budget.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#94807 Feb 8, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no forgiveness for sinning against the holy spirit. So did any converts confess having blood transfusions before becoming a JW?
I see that sinning against the holy spirit and then unsinning it is determined by the watchtower leaders.
1967:“Is there any Scriptural objection to donating one’s body for use in medical research or to accepting organs for transplant from such a source? another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others.…
Now you can have the transplant, because the watchtower has un-sinned it.
And this happens time and time again in these more fringe religions.

In the LDS (Mormon) it wasn't until 1978 that they allowed black people to have the priesthood. Now, the way I understand Mormon, every man who has a wife essentially has the priesthood. He is the high priest of his little family. And that is important because it determines which level of heaven he can get to later.(I'm not sure how it affects the women...but they're just women, right?)

The prohibition against blacks was laid down by the church Prophets. So that meant it came from God himself. Why then, in 1978 on the heels of the Civil Rights Movement, did God suddenly say "Oh, never mind that whole racial discrimination thing."

Same with JW. As the social climate changes and the mix of leadership in the church changes you will see them soften some of their doctrines. Now that they have to face the fact that they were utterly wrong about 1914 and the whole 144,000 stuff you'll see them softening their views on those ideas, making them seem less important. I suspect that if we were to live to see 100 more years pass the JW would not even be talking about that stuff anymore.

Just like Mormons do not talk about the Book of Abraham or the fact that having dark skin is a sign of a sinner, according to the Book of Mormon. It becomes more and more embarrassing. And if you grow up in it you have to decide whether to be embarrassed, get out, or change the nature of your religion.

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Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#94808 Feb 8, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
I can appreciate your logical reasoning from a human standpoint. But the creator knows what is best for us. You want to think that is a probitition from eating or drinking blood. I'll give you a senero that will help to clear your understanding. Lets say you were in a terrable auto accident, the Dr. says you need blood, you agree for him to give you whole blood. The nurse comes in with several pint glasses of blood and tells you to drink it all. Yuck you would never do that. Now explain the difference! At least if you drink it, it passes through your digestive system and cleans it somewhat of some impurities. But if you shoot it straight into your viens there all kinds of risks including AIDS Hepititus C any number of STDs Jaundice etc. Really blood is bad medicine no matter what a Dr. might say. And too there are blood subtitutes like saline solution that does pretty much the same thing as a blood transfusion without the risks.
Holy crap, dude. This is nuts. Seriously, dangerously nuts.

First off, you lose with the statement that the "Creator" knows best.

There is a fundamental and HUGE difference between injection and consuming any substance. One enters your stomach through the throat, the other goes through the skin and into the bloodstream directly. If I put food in your stomach it gets digested...broken down into usable and unusable components then dealt with correctly, if everything goes right. If I put a cheeseburger into your blood stream it would surely kill you. It would be like putting sand in a gas tank.

Now, there are risks to infusions. There are risks to eating a peanut butter sandwich. When I was about 9 my cousin got choked eating a pb sandwich. My aunt had to Heimlich him.

Should we avoid eating pb sandwiches?

Medical procedures all carry risk. You have to do the cost-benefit analysis and decide if they are worth it. Clearly, absolutely UN-controversially (outside of certain fringe belief systems) blood transfusions are worth the risk in cases where blood is needed.

Someone else mentioned that organ transplants are now ok with the JW. Is that true? Because I guarantee you will not get an organ transplant without getting some blood. And I'm not just talking about your own banked blood. There's almost certainly going to be some blood from the other person in that organ, even if it is trace amounts.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#94809 Feb 8, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians.
Christians. For no good reason.
The same one that enslaved people in the first place - Christians.
Kill fruit trees that are out of season. Pay taxes. Stop throwing rocks at people.
Any other questions?
Looks to me like the Missionaries were trying to HELP the natives..
It was the Military (no religious background) that wanted them moved!
Description: Statement by Elizur Butler, Christian missionary living in the Cherokee Nation, extracted from a letter dated June 20, 1831. Butler describes a meeting that took place between himself and Colonel Sanford at Camp Gilmer. Colonel Sanford voices his disapproval of missionaries and threatens to imprison Butler again or forcibly remove him and his family if he does not move. Butler states that Samuel Worcester, another missionary to the Cherokee, and himself are intent on staying in the Nation until they are removed by force.
.....
Notice the words "Catholic Church"... NOT True Christians, but a bastard creation of Constintine!
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.h...

Prior to the 9th century CE: There was a widespread popular belief that evil Witches existed. They were seen as evil persons, primarily women, who devoted their lives to harming and killing others through black magic and evil sorcery. The Catholic church at the time officially taught that such Witches did not exist. It was a heresy to say that they were real. "For example, the 5th century Synod of St. Patrick ruled that 'A Christian who believes that there is a vampire in the world, that is to say, a witch, is to be anathematized; whoever lays that reputation upon a living being shall not be received into the Church until he revokes with his own voice the crime that he has committed.' A capitulary from Saxony (775-790 CE) blamed these stereotypes on pagan belief systems:'If anyone, deceived by the Devil, believes after the manner of the Pagans that any man or woman is a witch and eats men, and if on this account he burns [the alleged witch]... he shall be punished by capital sentence." 1
..........
Any Questions???
Yes!
What are you afraid of???
God is real... No matter what you believe!
Repent, turn towards Chist... You will be glad you did!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#94811 Feb 8, 2013
You all have a Great day!

:-)
bible says

Elkhorn City, KY

#94813 Feb 8, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks to me like the Missionaries were trying to HELP the natives..
It was the Military (no religious background) that wanted them moved!
Description: Statement by Elizur Butler, Christian missionary living in the Cherokee Nation, extracted from a letter dated June 20, 1831. Butler describes a meeting that took place between himself and Colonel Sanford at Camp Gilmer. Colonel Sanford voices his disapproval of missionaries and threatens to imprison Butler again or forcibly remove him and his family if he does not move. Butler states that Samuel Worcester, another missionary to the Cherokee, and himself are intent on staying in the Nation until they are removed by force.
.....
Notice the words "Catholic Church"... NOT True Christians, but a bastard creation of Constintine!
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.h...
Prior to the 9th century CE: There was a widespread popular belief that evil Witches existed. They were seen as evil persons, primarily women, who devoted their lives to harming and killing others through black magic and evil sorcery. The Catholic church at the time officially taught that such Witches did not exist. It was a heresy to say that they were real. "For example, the 5th century Synod of St. Patrick ruled that 'A Christian who believes that there is a vampire in the world, that is to say, a witch, is to be anathematized; whoever lays that reputation upon a living being shall not be received into the Church until he revokes with his own voice the crime that he has committed.' A capitulary from Saxony (775-790 CE) blamed these stereotypes on pagan belief systems:'If anyone, deceived by the Devil, believes after the manner of the Pagans that any man or woman is a witch and eats men, and if on this account he burns [the alleged witch]... he shall be punished by capital sentence." 1
..........
Any Questions???
Yes!
What are you afraid of???
God is real... No matter what you believe!
Repent, turn towards Chist... You will be glad you did!
since u point out the catholics it is good to know that they control all the original scriptures and things and guess who isnt aloowed to see them...no one but the higher priests of the vatican. they tell all what the bible says in one way or the other so i beg to say that every christian is somewhat a catholic whether they like the idea or not. they control the source so they control what u or anyone else thinks is actually wrote in them. who is to say its not even translated and they made the bible say exactly what they wanted it to say. maybe thats why some very important people from the bible had their scriptures left out when the final cut was released. for example the book of enoch, the book of mary (thought to be magdalene and not his mother), and the life of adam and eve that tells eves side of it all. so have u ever thoguht why u only get parts of it when other ppl important to jesus wrote scripture but teirs was left out. what are they hiding?

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