Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,915

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93939 Jan 12, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>If you do not want separation of church and state then prepare to be taxed.
However, by giving every one the right to freedom of religion is a wall that keeps any religion from having authority. That is separation of church and state
Satan Daddy get over that tax stuff. They ain't gonna be taxin Jesus and Noah colorin books.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93940 Jan 12, 2013
THE UNA FARTER wrote:
<quoted text>
Satan Daddy get over that tax stuff. They ain't gonna be taxin Jesus and Noah colorin books.
Of course not, and as a 501C I enjoy the same tax free status that they do. But it is so much fun to make them go off

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93941 Jan 12, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
The only religion that uses a symbol for their religion that was a form of execution is the christian cult with its cross. You do not see other religions wearing hang mans noose or gallows, or the guillotine do you? Crucifixion was a very inhumane form of execution and this is what the christian cult uses to as a symbol for what they stand for. Tells you something about the christians love for blood
Satan Daddy do you think bein burned at the stake like they do you folks hurt more? That would be a good science experiment. Nail one foot to the floor and flick your Bic to the other foot and let us know. Don't say it can't happen Daddy, you ain't exactly on your mother in laws list of favorites.
Spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93942 Jan 12, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
The only religion that uses a symbol for their religion that was a form of execution is the christian cult with its cross. You do not see other religions wearing hang mans noose or gallows, or the guillotine do you? Crucifixion was a very inhumane form of execution and this is what the christian cult uses to as a symbol for what they stand for. Tells you something about the christians love for blood
The Cross a symbol of male sex organ worship.

The people of the ancient lands used the cross in worship, some, like the Egyptians used it in Phallus worship, or, worship of the male sex organ. It was used as a symbol of fertility.

"Various figures of crosses are found everywhere on Egyptian monuments and tombs, and are considered by many authorities as symbolical either of the phallus [a representation of the male sex organ] or of coition.... In Egyptian tombs the crux ansata [cross with a circle or handle on top] is found side by side with the phallus." A Short History of Sex-Worship (London, 1940), H. Cutner, pp. 16, 17; see also The Non-Christian Cross, p. 183.

So you could say it's irony that Jesus would support a wearing of a symbol of sex worship from pagan religions he opposed.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#93943 Jan 12, 2013
KublaKhan wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say they were all that mattered. In fact, I said exactly opposite of that. I asked that you pay attention to the last four words as they define the previous 54. The use of the word "until" means that the current status quo will continue <until> the affairs are changed.
until - used as a function word to indicate continuance (as of an action or condition) to a specified time - until
Sure you did, you are the one that said the old laws were done away with and you point to the last four words of the verse too back up your claim, totally ignoring the "fact" the earth is still here and that the verse also states,

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

jesus clearly states he has not come too abolish the old laws and that the old laws will remain in force

"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law"

And jesus said "until everything is accomplished" and as I said the earth is still here, word it any way you want, its cherry pickin to back up your statment.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Brodhead, KY

#93944 Jan 12, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it does. The last line of Article VI and the first line of the First Amendment, both, erect a wall of separation of Church and State. Any questions?
No It Doesn't speak of Separation of Church and State ... The Words do not exist in the document... That was a assumption applied to the verbiage.. It was the Opinion of a single congressman that others later came to agree with.. For many years after the document was signed and ratified many schools and religious institutions were paid for by public funding... The Concept of Separation of Church and State is Extra Constitutional and a construct applied by the courts...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Brodhead, KY

#93945 Jan 12, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Then we need to tax them. And yes, the Constitution does state that the government will not establish any religion and that is separation.
Freedom OF religion is freedom FROM some one elses religion
It says...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nothing More... Nothing Less... At no point does it speak of Separation of Church and State... That is an Extra Constitutional concept that was written of derived from a letter written by President Thomas Jefferson (A Single Congressman) in 1802....

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#93946 Jan 12, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
The only religion that uses a symbol for their religion that was a form of execution is the christian cult with its cross. You do not see other religions wearing hang mans noose or gallows, or the guillotine do you? Crucifixion was a very inhumane form of execution and this is what the christian cult uses to as a symbol for what they stand for. Tells you something about the christians love for blood
Lol, jesus was hanged on a tree no cross needed,

acts 5-30
the god of our fathers raised up jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Of course religies have that "special bible/topix understanding".
Spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93949 Jan 12, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, jesus was hanged on a tree no cross needed,
acts 5-30
the god of our fathers raised up jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Of course religies have that "special bible/topix understanding".
The religies want to burn our history books and just have the KJV of the bible use in a theocratic america, similar to Islam countries. Having religious civil war in this country is a goal of the tea party, I see why lot of mormons oppose Mitt Romney an voted democratic just like other religies did. So now I know what religion YAA/YOLU belongs to "chrislam".
Spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93950 Jan 12, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
No It Doesn't speak of Separation of Church and State ... The Words do not exist in the document... That was a assumption applied to the verbiage.. It was the Opinion of a single congressman that others later came to agree with.. For many years after the document was signed and ratified many schools and religious institutions were paid for by public funding... The Concept of Separation of Church and State is Extra Constitutional and a construct applied by the courts...
Funding religious institutions is a way they can teach creationism and ditch teaching the scientific theory of evolution and other subjects. I think seperation of church and state will be a good thing to prevent science and research in our schools and universites falling into the hand of chrislam fanatics.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Brodhead, KY

#93951 Jan 12, 2013
Spaceship earth_ss wrote:
<quoted text>
Funding religious institutions is a way they can teach creationism and ditch teaching the scientific theory of evolution and other subjects. I think seperation of church and state will be a good thing to prevent science and research in our schools and universites falling into the hand of chrislam fanatics.
I don't disagree with you.... It is a Idiotic idea to allow a publicly funded school system to in any way teach religious ideology of any religion... A instructional course on All Religions as how they shaped history and the human condition is another story...

BUT... All I was alluding to was that the Constitution does not make any mention of Separation of Church and State.... I was specific to the poster that stated that the Constitution Speaks of such, It does Not... It was an extra Constitutional construct based on Interpretation of the 1st Amendment by the courts much later...

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#93952 Jan 12, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>If you do not want separation of church and state then prepare to be taxed.
However, by giving every one the right to freedom of religion is a wall that keeps any religion from having authority. That is separation of church and state
I'm already taxed. And who said I didn't want it? You didn't read that in any of my posts. I just stated that separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.

And it isn't.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#93953 Jan 12, 2013
Spaceship earth_ss wrote:
<quoted text>
The religies want to burn our history books and just have the KJV of the bible use in a theocratic america, similar to Islam countries. Having religious civil war in this country is a goal of the tea party, I see why lot of mormons oppose Mitt Romney an voted democratic just like other religies did. So now I know what religion YAA/YOLU belongs to "chrislam".
Hi SS, I like that "chrislam" thing, I will use it often, if you don't mind.
Spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93955 Jan 12, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi SS, I like that "chrislam" thing, I will use it often, if you don't mind.
NP, I borrowed the term myself.
Spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93956 Jan 12, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't disagree with you.... It is a Idiotic idea to allow a publicly funded school system to in any way teach religious ideology of any religion... A instructional course on All Religions as how they shaped history and the human condition is another story...
BUT... All I was alluding to was that the Constitution does not make any mention of Separation of Church and State.... I was specific to the poster that stated that the Constitution Speaks of such, It does Not... It was an extra Constitutional construct based on Interpretation of the 1st Amendment by the courts much later...
Makes sense, thanks for the reply, Q

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93957 Jan 12, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
It says...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Nothing More... Nothing Less... At no point does it speak of Separation of Church and State... That is an Extra Constitutional concept that was written of derived from a letter written by President Thomas Jefferson (A Single Congressman) in 1802....
The Constitution does not use the words, but in order for every one to have freedom of religion there can be no one church having authority, hence a separation of state powers from the church (remember that in England the "church" had law making powers) Also, in any public space no one religion may be given preference over another or any form of authority.
If the christian cult was allowed to teach the influence of religion in public schools they would start teaching the bible as fact and argue that the laws give them the right to do so.(For some reason the christian cult feels they are above every one else and have rights that others do not)

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93958 Jan 12, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
No It Doesn't speak of Separation of Church and State ... The Words do not exist in the document... That was a assumption applied to the verbiage.. It was the Opinion of a single congressman that others later came to agree with.. For many years after the document was signed and ratified many schools and religious institutions were paid for by public funding... The Concept of Separation of Church and State is Extra Constitutional and a construct applied by the courts...
I've given facts, you haven't. If you want to be denial, fine. But I won't argue with someone who can't even cite facts. Thank you.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Brodhead, KY

#93959 Jan 12, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
I've given facts, you haven't. If you want to be denial, fine. But I won't argue with someone who can't even cite facts. Thank you.
Your Welcome... You of course have not stated Facts in the least.. Because there are No Facts that the Constitution mentions Separation of Church and State... That verbiage was not alluded to until 1802 in a letter to the Baptists from Danbury, Connecticut.... Some 11 years after the Bill of Rights was Ratified... Sorry if you think because someone takes a writing to mean something it changes the actual words written, it does not... So, Facts are ... At No Time does the Constitution of the United States nor the later added Bill of Rights mention the Separation of Church and State...
Jimmy Two Shoes

Middletown, NJ

#93960 Jan 12, 2013
Well, in light of the face that politically correct secularism has fallen flat on its face, actually creating a generation of angry, selfish, drones that, if able to take the helm of this country someday, will likely reduce us to a third world country; the Bible might be the only thing that could right the ship.
Big Truck

Manchester, KY

#93961 Jan 12, 2013
Fairy tales are for entertainment. Teach facts to kids if you want them to learn...

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