Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,148

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93491 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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Yes I have read it. There are many distortions of the Bible. First, "EvilBible" doesn't cover the Bible in detail, and there are many things out of context. I used to love that site, until I started seeing the lies. Also, much of the violence in the Bible was stuff God warned AGAINST. But God gave us free will. Would you rather he stop us from doing what we choose? No you wouldn't, that is if he exists. Second, much of the customs in the Bible were cultural, not divine.
I swing the question to you. Have you read it? If so, did you understand it's history and culture, not just the spiritual passages?
I call bullshit! The evil killing and selling of women in the bible is not a warning not to do these things.
As far as lies and twisting the bible around I ask how so when the whole chapter of the bible verse is posted and is word for word from the bible?
Nice try but, yet again, we find that it is the christians who lie

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93492 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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Your ignorance is amusing, but not blissful. The Bible is not made of hate. In fact, it teaches love, peace, the golden rule, the non-aggression principle, and personal responsibility. Each text of the major religions share this quality. If you don't want to read or understand the Bible, fine, but don't claim you know it. Wouldn't that be like requiring faith to believe its evil since you don't understand it??? lol!
But it is the evil of *individuals* who distort religion. Religion can't physically hurt you, people with or without religion can. Remember, many atheists have committed atrocities, too. But not because they're atheist. Same thing about believers.
Another thing, if a Christian does wrong and you blame religion and not the individual, what does that say about your own morality?
Really? The bible that tells people to slaughter whole towns and take the young girls as sex slaves teaches love? I guess that the baptist youth ministers and catholic priest that fu5k children are just "loving them"?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93493 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
Many people, believers and atheists alike, forget a simple fact. Only individuals can make decisions. Religion is just an inanimate engine that individuals can drive. If a person does a good deed, it's because of a choice they made, same applies if they do wrong.
Many people forget that the texts of the major religions all teach love, peace, the golden rule, and the non-aggression principle. It's just that the parables, as opposed to the morals of the story, are then twisted by people who want to do harm.
As far as indoctrination, I was raised in church. I don't have the intolerant group think many Christians have; even during my rebellious days, I shrugged off the intolerance that comes from that, too. And the whole idea of public school is indoctrination. Not to mention public schools are public - hence they cannot, by law, teach religion - except as electives, maybe.
Both sides are extreme, and they need to meet in the middle. By the way, in the Bible God may have morals he wishes to be taught, but he never demanded the use of force. Both Believers and atheist need to grow up and realize this basic concept.
Religion, or lack thereof, does NOT make you do things without your consent. Redistributing responsibility does not help either side.
It is the ACTIONS that define good and evil. The ACTIONS of your cult through out history, murder, rape, slavery are EVIL. ANIMAL SACRIFICE IS EVIL!
You are not good because you tremble from the threat of eternal punishment, while I am good because my morals come from knowing right from wrong.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93494 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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It's true for them, too. Many Christians do quote the Bible out of context. That's why religion has a bad name, because God apparently has said many things he never said. lol!
Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
Satanic fool

Cedartown, GA

#93495 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
Pay no attention to my baby brother.He is midguided and loves negative attention.He had to look up the word SATANIC on spellcheck before posting!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#93496 Jan 3, 2013
THE UNA FARTER wrote:
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Good mornin' Tin man dude. Them danged Japs ain't been messin around with Pearl Harbor anymore have they? Ah so got nuked.
Ah, so. They OWN a good chunk of Pearl Harbor now.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#93497 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
How and why did you not notice that the Old God was man made?

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#93498 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
Being that all gos are man mad, you sir are correct.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#93499 Jan 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Ah, so. They OWN a good chunk of Pearl Harbor now.
And there should be a Constitutional Amendment that American Soil can only be purchased and owned by US Citizens... Last report I saw showed that Communist China owns over 12 Million acres of US Soil....

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93500 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>I call bullshit! The evil killing and selling of women in the bible is not a warning not to do these things.
As far as lies and twisting the bible around I ask how so when the whole chapter of the bible verse is posted and is word for word from the bible?
Nice try but, yet again, we find that it is the christians who lie
Yes ah Satan Daddy, I can remember as a lad of 16 and the women in the hoochie coochie show at the local county fair. Glory be. They were selling their bodies for upward of ten dollars and there I was with 27 cents. Amen ahh.

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93501 Jan 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Ah, so. They OWN a good chunk of Pearl Harbor now.
They didn't get it for free, Tin man. Ah so, build many Geisha House for sucker tourist. Tin man come get joint oiled no rust, ah so. Tin man spend many yen.
Spaceship earth_ss

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93502 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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It's true for them, too. Many Christians do quote the Bible out of context. That's why religion has a bad name, because God apparently has said many things he never said. lol!
There appears to be no true religion. This is especially true about christianity. Different denominations all have the true worship as they claim from the bible. Yet many different interpetations and religious heretics have evolved from reading it.

If the bible scriptures are taking out of context by those who say that only they are the true christians then why are we to believe that what you may claim are different from them?

There are verses in the bible that may prove a god is real but I have yet to find anychristian with faith to prove it. That is another reason why I'm have chosen now to be a atheist.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93503 Jan 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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It would appear that gods are addicted to violence. Even in the New Testament, the actions of Pilate, Herod and Judas were all part of the master plan, were they not?
...if a Christian does wrong...? Using that framework, it is not pertinent to blame the Nazis and Japanese expansionists for WWII, but each individual German, Japanese or Italian soldier, politician, and factory worker.
The actions of Pilate, Herod, and Judas were voluntary actions. They chose to do what they did. I believe the Bible is just a book, and not the "literal word of God" - so I think People mistranslated it for personal reasons. It would be uncharacteristic of the Biblical God to "have a plan". He gave us free will. He probably knows the outcomes of our decisions before they happen, or even know all of the possible outcomes, but I seriously doubt, per this religion, that God has given us a predestination.

I blame the U.S. and allies for World War II. Because of Euro-Eastern bloodlust, they went to war over egoism, then the U.S. got involved and made the war worse. Then after the war, the peace talks were very, and wrongfully, unfair to Germany. That inspired a young Adolf Hitler to be nationalist and "patriotic" to his country. He rose to power, by democratic means, and found a scapegoat (the Slavish, the Jews, and other undesirables, in that order) to do so. And the Japanese didn't attack unprovoked. Franklin Roosevelt tore a page from history (thanks to Madison in regards to the War of 1812 with the British) and antagonized the Japanese and imposed economic sanctions against them, over nothing. This caused Japan to "throw the first punch", which was expected, and then we went to war claiming "self-defense". DR repeated another horror from history (Adams and Lincoln did this) by enacting illegal orders of sedition, mostly on Japanese-Americans.

And yes, each individual should be held accountable for their actions. "Following orders" isn't an excuse, and shouldn't be used as a license to kill

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93504 Jan 3, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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And there should be a Constitutional Amendment that American Soil can only be purchased and owned by US Citizens... Last report I saw showed that Communist China owns over 12 Million acres of US Soil....
Yes, but a little truth about the national debt, most of it (two thirds) is owed to social security, only about one trillion is owed to China.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93505 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
*Replying to your many half-thought posts*

Again, the customs that are shown in the Bible are NOT teachings, but culture. When you talk about the history of the 20th century, you wouldn't ignore the fact that marriage licenses were mandated just to prevent interracial marriages, or the fact that atrocities were commited by our government like in Vietnam, or whatever. It'd be impossible. You can't talk about history if you ignore the bad. The killing and selling of women in trade, and slaughtering of towns, were NOT condoned by God like people think. Both are antitehtical to peace and the non-aggression principle. Also, I'm not Christian and it's many from both Christianity and atheism who lie about the Bible. lol!

What cult? There are many different types of Christians. Many who do evil, many who do good. You seem to ONLY want to obsess about the evil ones. And, I'm going to be the first to burst your bubble here, but MANY atheists have committed atrocious acts, too. If you blame a faith system, or lack thereof, on the actions of an individual, how does that solve anything? It doesn't. If an idnividual does wrong, then you blame that individual, not their religion. Because EVERY religion, including non-religious systems, have examples of evil people. By that standard, even atheism is an evil-doing cult. Also, I want to note: if a believer is a believer out of fear of damnation, then it's not sincere and they may not be saved - at least to me.

And your distortion of the facts, like with the Old and New testaments shows you're just full of bias and not serious discussion. The Old Testament is the Jewish faith (and somewhat of the Islam faith) and the New Testament is of the Christians who believe in Christ as the Son of God. There was no new God, in both testaments he warned us about government, about killing, etc. And he didn't violate free will (except in the case of the Virgin Mary (a story borrowed from Hinduism), which is why I can never believe Christ to be the son of God).

It's blatantly obviousl you have no clue about the history and culture of the Biblical times. lol!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93506 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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*Replying to your many half-thought posts*
Again, the customs that are shown in the Bible are NOT teachings, but culture. When you talk about the history of the 20th century, you wouldn't ignore the fact that marriage licenses were mandated just to prevent interracial marriages, or the fact that atrocities were commited by our government like in Vietnam, or whatever. It'd be impossible. You can't talk about history if you ignore the bad. The killing and selling of women in trade, and slaughtering of towns, were NOT condoned by God like people think. Both are antitehtical to peace and the non-aggression principle. Also, I'm not Christian and it's many from both Christianity and atheism who lie about the Bible. lol!
What cult? There are many different types of Christians. Many who do evil, many who do good. You seem to ONLY want to obsess about the evil ones. And, I'm going to be the first to burst your bubble here, but MANY atheists have committed atrocious acts, too. If you blame a faith system, or lack thereof, on the actions of an individual, how does that solve anything? It doesn't. If an idnividual does wrong, then you blame that individual, not their religion. Because EVERY religion, including non-religious systems, have examples of evil people. By that standard, even atheism is an evil-doing cult. Also, I want to note: if a believer is a believer out of fear of damnation, then it's not sincere and they may not be saved - at least to me.
And your distortion of the facts, like with the Old and New testaments shows you're just full of bias and not serious discussion. The Old Testament is the Jewish faith (and somewhat of the Islam faith) and the New Testament is of the Christians who believe in Christ as the Son of God. There was no new God, in both testaments he warned us about government, about killing, etc. And he didn't violate free will (except in the case of the Virgin Mary (a story borrowed from Hinduism), which is why I can never believe Christ to be the son of God).
It's blatantly obviousl you have no clue about the history and culture of the Biblical times. lol!
You are just full of shit. The bible states that god commanded the people to do the evil, he specified which animals to sacrifice, he specified that the jews should kill every man woman and child.
Here is a point you do not like, the same god that was in the old testament is the same god of the new testament. But you freaks try to deflect that and say "JASUS"
Yes cult! You isolate your followers claiming that the "secular" world (translate real world) is evil, you push your cult every where, You claim rights that you deny to others.
Hey, what if we taught Satanism in public schools? You freaks would have a stroke but you sure want to push your evil cult.
IN A PAST POST YOU DENY THE BIBLE AND THE CHRISTIAN CULT.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93507 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You are just full of shit. The bible states that god commanded the people to do the evil, he specified which animals to sacrifice, he specified that the jews should kill every man woman and child.
Here is a point you do not like, the same god that was in the old testament is the same god of the new testament. But you freaks try to deflect that and say "JASUS"
Yes cult! You isolate your followers claiming that the "secular" world (translate real world) is evil, you push your cult every where, You claim rights that you deny to others.
Hey, what if we taught Satanism in public schools? You freaks would have a stroke but you sure want to push your evil cult.
IN A PAST POST YOU DENY THE BIBLE AND THE CHRISTIAN CULT.
First, you're just proving that you don't know what you're talking about. I've said it at least two times already: I'm NOT Christian. lol! You might want to take some blood pressure pills, because you're over-emotional responses are making you look like a fool whether you are one or not.

The world is evil. Why? Because We the People let government commit all sorts of atrocities. History lesson for you: EACH time in history where religion has gotten away with evil, it was perpetuated under the auspices of the State. And even God warned his people what having a government would do - and he was right, or at least whoever wrote it.

I would oppose Satanism being a required class. If Satanism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Celtic Paganism, etc. were offered as electives, I don't see the problem. Although, since there is a separation of Church and State, and public schools are part of the State, it would be illegal to teach any of the above.

Religion is no more or less an evil cult than atheism. Both have examples of evil people, both have examples have good people, and both have been used and abused by the State.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93509 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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First, you're just proving that you don't know what you're talking about. I've said it at least two times already: I'm NOT Christian. lol! You might want to take some blood pressure pills, because you're over-emotional responses are making you look like a fool whether you are one or not.
The world is evil. Why? Because We the People let government commit all sorts of atrocities. History lesson for you: EACH time in history where religion has gotten away with evil, it was perpetuated under the auspices of the State. And even God warned his people what having a government would do - and he was right, or at least whoever wrote it.
I would oppose Satanism being a required class. If Satanism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Celtic Paganism, etc. were offered as electives, I don't see the problem. Although, since there is a separation of Church and State, and public schools are part of the State, it would be illegal to teach any of the above.
Religion is no more or less an evil cult than atheism. Both have examples of evil people, both have examples have good people, and both have been used and abused by the State.
In a discussion about whether the evil done in the bible was from gods commands or an example of what not to do (can not believe you really believe that) you go to "the world is evil because the government is evil". WOW.
Talk about double talk and twisting things around.
Atheist have not murdered people because they believe in god, Satanist do not kill people who worship a different god, the Abrahamic cults are the only violent hate filled blood lusting religions

Since: Feb 12

El Dorado Hills, CA

#93510 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
First, you're just proving that you don't know what you're talking about. I've said it at least two times already: I'm NOT Christian. lol! You might want to take some blood pressure pills, because you're over-emotional responses are making you look like a fool whether you are one or not.
The world is evil. Why? Because We the People let government commit all sorts of atrocities. History lesson for you: EACH time in history where religion has gotten away with evil, it was perpetuated under the auspices of the State. And even God warned his people what having a government would do - and he was right, or at least whoever wrote it.
I would oppose Satanism being a required class. If Satanism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Celtic Paganism, etc. were offered as electives, I don't see the problem. Although, since there is a separation of Church and State, and public schools are part of the State, it would be illegal to teach any of the above.
Religion is no more or less an evil cult than atheism. Both have examples of evil people, both have examples have good people, and both have been used and abused by the State.
Do you have a name for what your religious beliefs are based on? Just curious what books you have studied or name of your religion.

Bible quote:
"Do not trust in princes,
In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation."

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Lucius Annaeus

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93511 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>In a discussion about whether the evil done in the bible was from gods commands or an example of what not to do (can not believe you really believe that) you go to "the world is evil because the government is evil". WOW.
Talk about double talk and twisting things around.
Atheist have not murdered people because they believe in god, Satanist do not kill people who worship a different god, the Abrahamic cults are the only violent hate filled blood lusting religions
Man oh man Satan daddy, no tellin' how many babies you done killed hidin' from your mama, spankin' your weasel. I bet your glasses are thicker than mine.

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