Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 147258 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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ChristianWacker

Whitley City, KY

#93470 Jan 2, 2013
That's hot.
ChristianWacker

Whitley City, KY

#93471 Jan 2, 2013
Seems to me if his holiness, the very embodiment of Catholic Christianity himself, the Pope was so ready to be with god he would not ride around in a bullet proof pope mobile.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#93472 Jan 2, 2013
ChristianWacker wrote:
Seems to me if his holiness, the very embodiment of Catholic Christianity himself, the Pope was so ready to be with god he would not ride around in a bullet proof pope mobile.
Ya know what all churches and religious folks say...

Have Faith, But buy insurance.....

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93476 Jan 2, 2013
Many people, believers and atheists alike, forget a simple fact. Only individuals can make decisions. Religion is just an inanimate engine that individuals can drive. If a person does a good deed, it's because of a choice they made, same applies if they do wrong.

Many people forget that the texts of the major religions all teach love, peace, the golden rule, and the non-aggression principle. It's just that the parables, as opposed to the morals of the story, are then twisted by people who want to do harm.

As far as indoctrination, I was raised in church. I don't have the intolerant group think many Christians have; even during my rebellious days, I shrugged off the intolerance that comes from that, too. And the whole idea of public school is indoctrination. Not to mention public schools are public - hence they cannot, by law, teach religion - except as electives, maybe.

Both sides are extreme, and they need to meet in the middle. By the way, in the Bible God may have morals he wishes to be taught, but he never demanded the use of force. Both Believers and atheist need to grow up and realize this basic concept.

Religion, or lack thereof, does NOT make you do things without your consent. Redistributing responsibility does not help either side.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93478 Jan 2, 2013
ANTH0NY75 wrote:
<quoted text>
He never demanded the use of force? Ever read a fictional book entitled Holy Bible ? www.evilbible.com
Yes I have read it. There are many distortions of the Bible. First, "EvilBible" doesn't cover the Bible in detail, and there are many things out of context. I used to love that site, until I started seeing the lies. Also, much of the violence in the Bible was stuff God warned AGAINST. But God gave us free will. Would you rather he stop us from doing what we choose? No you wouldn't, that is if he exists. Second, much of the customs in the Bible were cultural, not divine.

I swing the question to you. Have you read it? If so, did you understand it's history and culture, not just the spiritual passages?

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93480 Jan 3, 2013
ANTH0NY75 wrote:
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How can you read any part of the old testament and still say that he never demanded the use of force? I live in today's real world, the bible is useless... humans have made a lot of progress over 2000 years. The only thing the bible teaches us is that people were weak-minded and lived fear-based lives. In what part of your life today would you possibly need a fictional book that's thousands of years old to function in 2013?
The Old Testament has customs that were held at the time. So I take it you don't understand the Bible nor the culture and history of it.

And to YOU, the Bible is useless. But to many people it's a comfort, or a learning tool, or a guidebook, etc. You don't set the standard for what's useful, I'm sorry to be the first to tell you.

Actually the Bible teaches about personal responsibility. It just so happens many people in the Bible are irresponsible. That's why those stories are told, so we can learn from those mistakes. God warned us of what having a government would mean. God warned us of what not to do in certain situations. He doesn't use force to make us choose one or the other.

And much of the Bible (save for the divine stuff) is non-fiction. lol!

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93482 Jan 3, 2013
ANTH0NY75 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're exactly right. I don't care to understand the culture or the history of the bible anymore than I care about the history and culture of Harry Potter or Dr Suess. I do feel that those people who find comfort and guidance from a book filled with hate could find better, more comforting guide books at any library or bookstore. & Thanx for taking the time to tell me about myself, its feels nice to debate someone on Topix who actually has a brain.~Peace
Your ignorance is amusing, but not blissful. The Bible is not made of hate. In fact, it teaches love, peace, the golden rule, the non-aggression principle, and personal responsibility. Each text of the major religions share this quality. If you don't want to read or understand the Bible, fine, but don't claim you know it. Wouldn't that be like requiring faith to believe its evil since you don't understand it??? lol!

But it is the evil of *individuals* who distort religion. Religion can't physically hurt you, people with or without religion can. Remember, many atheists have committed atrocities, too. But not because they're atheist. Same thing about believers.

Another thing, if a Christian does wrong and you blame religion and not the individual, what does that say about your own morality?
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#93483 Jan 3, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya know what all churches and religious folks say...
Have Faith, But buy insurance.....
Not 'ALL'!
The only insurance I carry, is required by law, and
the Mortgage co.
LOL
ChristianWacker

Whitley City, KY

#93484 Jan 3, 2013
Why is it when a christian pulls a passage from the bible it's quoting it, but when an atheist does it, then it's "taken out of context",, here is something out of context:

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.(2 Kings 2:23-24

oh yea this christian god is a real lover of innocent children alright, let him baby sit for you.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#93485 Jan 3, 2013
ChristianWacker wrote:
Why is it when a christian pulls a passage from the bible it's quoting it, but when an atheist does it, then it's "taken out of context",, here is something out of context:
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.(2 Kings 2:23-24
oh yea this christian god is a real lover of innocent children alright, let him baby sit for you.
It's true for them, too. Many Christians do quote the Bible out of context. That's why religion has a bad name, because God apparently has said many things he never said. lol!
so true

Morgantown, KY

#93486 Jan 3, 2013
Hope all had a great New Year... So glad to be alive another year..My resolution... Good Day all...

Never cut a tree down in the wintertime. Never make a negative decision in the low time. Never make your most important decisions when you are in your worst moods. Wait. Be patient. The storm will pass. The spring will come."

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#93487 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your ignorance is amusing, but not blissful. The Bible is not made of hate. In fact, it teaches love, peace, the golden rule, the non-aggression principle, and personal responsibility. Each text of the major religions share this quality. If you don't want to read or understand the Bible, fine, but don't claim you know it. Wouldn't that be like requiring faith to believe its evil since you don't understand it??? lol!
But it is the evil of *individuals* who distort religion. Religion can't physically hurt you, people with or without religion can. Remember, many atheists have committed atrocities, too. But not because they're atheist. Same thing about believers.
Another thing, if a Christian does wrong and you blame religion and not the individual, what does that say about your own morality?
It would appear that gods are addicted to violence. Even in the New Testament, the actions of Pilate, Herod and Judas were all part of the master plan, were they not?
...if a Christian does wrong...? Using that framework, it is not pertinent to blame the Nazis and Japanese expansionists for WWII, but each individual German, Japanese or Italian soldier, politician, and factory worker.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#93488 Jan 3, 2013
so true wrote:
Hope all had a great New Year... So glad to be alive another year..My resolution... Good Day all...
Never cut a tree down in the wintertime. Never make a negative decision in the low time. Never make your most important decisions when you are in your worst moods. Wait. Be patient. The storm will pass. The spring will come."
Actually the cutting of trees in the winter was the only way log in the north during the days of logging virgin forests... they would log when you could water down the drag ways to help the logs slide easier as they hauled them to the stacking yards... In the summer months the swamps, creeks and Mosquitoes made it almost impossible to timber along most of the northern timber regions...

That is why in the spring you could see vast fields of stumps that were about 4 foot high as the trees were cut to the snow pack level and in the spring the stumps were left behind... After the logs were dragged to the stacking areas (Generally close to a river or narrow gauge train track) they would wait until the spring thaw when the rivers would flow deep and push the logs into the river to raft down to the mills down river (knocking out every bridge built across the river the past year).... Some of the log piles would be 100 to 200 foot high and stacked for a mile along both sides of the river... Waiting for the spring thaw....

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93489 Jan 3, 2013
ChristianWacker wrote:
Why is it when a christian pulls a passage from the bible it's quoting it, but when an atheist does it, then it's "taken out of context",, here is something out of context:
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.(2 Kings 2:23-24
oh yea this christian god is a real lover of innocent children alright, let him baby sit for you.
It's because you weren't there to secure the bunny trail, Humpaburn. You know how vicious those 48 ft tall bears are.

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#93490 Jan 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
It would appear that gods are addicted to violence. Even in the New Testament, the actions of Pilate, Herod and Judas were all part of the master plan, were they not?
...if a Christian does wrong...? Using that framework, it is not pertinent to blame the Nazis and Japanese expansionists for WWII, but each individual German, Japanese or Italian soldier, politician, and factory worker.
Good mornin' Tin man dude. Them danged Japs ain't been messin around with Pearl Harbor anymore have they? Ah so got nuked.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93491 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have read it. There are many distortions of the Bible. First, "EvilBible" doesn't cover the Bible in detail, and there are many things out of context. I used to love that site, until I started seeing the lies. Also, much of the violence in the Bible was stuff God warned AGAINST. But God gave us free will. Would you rather he stop us from doing what we choose? No you wouldn't, that is if he exists. Second, much of the customs in the Bible were cultural, not divine.
I swing the question to you. Have you read it? If so, did you understand it's history and culture, not just the spiritual passages?
I call bullshit! The evil killing and selling of women in the bible is not a warning not to do these things.
As far as lies and twisting the bible around I ask how so when the whole chapter of the bible verse is posted and is word for word from the bible?
Nice try but, yet again, we find that it is the christians who lie

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93492 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your ignorance is amusing, but not blissful. The Bible is not made of hate. In fact, it teaches love, peace, the golden rule, the non-aggression principle, and personal responsibility. Each text of the major religions share this quality. If you don't want to read or understand the Bible, fine, but don't claim you know it. Wouldn't that be like requiring faith to believe its evil since you don't understand it??? lol!
But it is the evil of *individuals* who distort religion. Religion can't physically hurt you, people with or without religion can. Remember, many atheists have committed atrocities, too. But not because they're atheist. Same thing about believers.
Another thing, if a Christian does wrong and you blame religion and not the individual, what does that say about your own morality?
Really? The bible that tells people to slaughter whole towns and take the young girls as sex slaves teaches love? I guess that the baptist youth ministers and catholic priest that fu5k children are just "loving them"?

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93493 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
Many people, believers and atheists alike, forget a simple fact. Only individuals can make decisions. Religion is just an inanimate engine that individuals can drive. If a person does a good deed, it's because of a choice they made, same applies if they do wrong.
Many people forget that the texts of the major religions all teach love, peace, the golden rule, and the non-aggression principle. It's just that the parables, as opposed to the morals of the story, are then twisted by people who want to do harm.
As far as indoctrination, I was raised in church. I don't have the intolerant group think many Christians have; even during my rebellious days, I shrugged off the intolerance that comes from that, too. And the whole idea of public school is indoctrination. Not to mention public schools are public - hence they cannot, by law, teach religion - except as electives, maybe.
Both sides are extreme, and they need to meet in the middle. By the way, in the Bible God may have morals he wishes to be taught, but he never demanded the use of force. Both Believers and atheist need to grow up and realize this basic concept.
Religion, or lack thereof, does NOT make you do things without your consent. Redistributing responsibility does not help either side.
It is the ACTIONS that define good and evil. The ACTIONS of your cult through out history, murder, rape, slavery are EVIL. ANIMAL SACRIFICE IS EVIL!
You are not good because you tremble from the threat of eternal punishment, while I am good because my morals come from knowing right from wrong.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#93494 Jan 3, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's true for them, too. Many Christians do quote the Bible out of context. That's why religion has a bad name, because God apparently has said many things he never said. lol!
Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
Satanic fool

Cedartown, GA

#93495 Jan 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Christians have created a new god. The god of the jews was so violent and hate filled that the new testament had to create a "loving" god (jesus).
This creation of a new god by man is proof that your god is a creation of man.
If you are not under the old laws than the ten commandments (from the old testament) do not apply?
The only way that the god of the jews went from being an evil, hate filled, blood lusting god to a god that just loves every one was the creation of a new god, man made
Pay no attention to my baby brother.He is midguided and loves negative attention.He had to look up the word SATANIC on spellcheck before posting!

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