Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,569

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Feb 12

El Dorado Hills, CA

#92325 Dec 7, 2012
How people get hooked by Jehovah's Witnesses teachings .

tiamat

Winchester, KY

#92326 Dec 7, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
And is why Science, True Science, does not give a rats ass about tautology....
this is your opinion; which is not absolute held by the scientific community as a whole. this is convoluted with opinion and emotion.
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>It does not consider cultural gobbledygook...
obviously you've never heard of the idea of sociology and/or scientism.
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text> A piece of Testable, Verifiable, Reproducible Evidence stands in the face of cultural preconceptions and Belief.... There might be assorted metaphors, conceptual symbolism and other flowery words of explanation but Evidence crosses all cultural road blocks in Science... Once evidence is disregarded Only because of dogma and preconception science ends and religion begins....
yes, evidence does cover all cultural metaphors, figurative speech, and language by idea when finally understood/comprehended.

but people don't think in terms of words. they think in terms of abstracts, theories, and ideals.

in other words the word for leeu, aslan, lav

all mean this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lion_waitin...

once the ideal is understood the word is irrelevant; however in trying to cross cultural and linguistic differences it can be the difference between understanding.
truth be told

Morgantown, KY

#92327 Dec 7, 2012
Well , I have been proven wrong....Who cares about trying to live right anymore, who cares all the good you do, or all the wishes you give. It dont meant squat and my eyes have been opened..........

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92328 Dec 7, 2012
Life has always been and will always be. Living organisms evolve over great spans of time.
Of course the mentally ill will say we must have been created by a god that has always been.......
A superstitious people made up stories to explain what they did not understand, the rain falling, storms, thunder, the pretty lights in the sky at night, disease, mental illness, etc. They made up god and mythical creatures like angels to explain these things. Then when some smarter people saw the power to control they created the religions.
Funny how Voyager 1 has not seen one angel or the heaven that is supposed to be right above earth, also funny that the earth revolves around the sun and is not flat........funnier is that illness is caused by germs not "unclean spirits"
Everything that the christian cult believed in earlier times (even 100 years ago) has been proven false so the church create a fake shroud of Torin (and get caught) and the funniest thing is n evil hateful god that every one must fear becomes a loving god ROTFL

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#92329 Dec 7, 2012
tiamat wrote:
<quoted text>this is your opinion; which is not absolute held by the scientific community as a whole. this is convoluted with opinion and emotion.
<quoted text>obviously you've never heard of the idea of sociology and/or scientism.
<quoted text>yes, evidence does cover all cultural metaphors, figurative speech, and language by idea when finally understood/comprehended.
but people don't think in terms of words. they think in terms of abstracts, theories, and ideals.
in other words the word for leeu, aslan, lav
all mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lion_waitin...
once the ideal is understood the word is irrelevant; however in trying to cross cultural and linguistic differences it can be the difference between understanding.
"this is your opinion; which is not absolute held by the scientific community as a whole. this is convoluted with opinion and emotion."

No it's not Opinion... It is the very Heart of the Scientific Principle / Scientific Method... Which is the Only measure of what is considered a Scientist... Scientific Community is another nebulous denotation as what some call the scientific community have no adherence to science.. It's akin to Conscience... Conscience is the bane of good science because it forces dogma to stand as fact and has caused many times science to be set back by generations.

1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.

Any other descriptives, any other naval gazing self aggrandizements and social pandering do not Science Make.....

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92330 Dec 7, 2012
truth be told wrote:
Well , I have been proven wrong....Who cares about trying to live right anymore, who cares all the good you do, or all the wishes you give. It dont meant squat and my eyes have been opened..........
Whom gets to say what is right? Should women cover their face as the muslims say is right? Should we sell our daughters like the bible says?
Here is the Satanic version of right "Your rights end where another's rights begin. Period.
Who the Hell are you to tell me what is right? Who made YOU the boss?
You do not like strippers? Then do not go to a strip joint, dont like gay marriage ? Do not marry a gay person, do not think women should wear red, dont wear red, dont like dancing then dont dance.
GET THE IDEA?
typhon

Winchester, KY

#92331 Dec 7, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
"this is your opinion; which is not absolute held by the scientific community as a whole. this is convoluted with opinion and emotion."
No it's not Opinion... It is the very Heart of the Scientific Principle / Scientific Method... Which is the Only measure of what is considered a Scientist... Scientific Community is another nebulous denotation as what some call the scientific community have no adherence to science.. It's akin to Conscience... Conscience is the bane of good science because it forces dogma to stand as fact and has caused many times science to be set back by generations.
1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.
Any other descriptives, any other naval gazing self aggrandizements and social pandering do not Science Make.....
yes that is what western science calls the scientific method; however children begin to manifest this same process in their lives at a very early age by questioning their reality and continue to do so through out their lives and psychologically maturing.

it goes to the idea of consciousness and constantly questioning one's limited idea of reality.

and western science can't always readily duplicate everything it observes; which doesn't make it any less real.

no one but you has said anything about naval gazing and being an ass. again you're emotional bias is filtering through; which just proves the point
truth be told

Morgantown, KY

#92332 Dec 7, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Whom gets to say what is right? Should women cover their face as the muslims say is right? Should we sell our daughters like the bible says?
Here is the Satanic version of right "Your rights end where another's rights begin. Period.
Who the Hell are you to tell me what is right? Who made YOU the boss?
You do not like strippers? Then do not go to a strip joint, dont like gay marriage ? Do not marry a gay person, do not think women should wear red, dont wear red, dont like dancing then dont dance.
GET THE IDEA?
So you are saying < I should have been bad all along , and I never would have got hurt, or I should not have believed and never would have been proven wrong? Looking on the other side now and trying to understand if I waisted all my life..

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92333 Dec 7, 2012
truth be told wrote:
<quoted text>So you are saying < I should have been bad all along , and I never would have got hurt, or I should not have believed and never would have been proven wrong? Looking on the other side now and trying to understand if I waisted all my life..
No, what I am saying is what YOU consider good or bad is in your mind AS LONG AS YOU HURT NO ONE ELSE.
I do not know what you consider to be bad. Many people are drawn to nightlife but deny themselves because they where told "only bad people go out at night". I ask why is it bad to go out and be around enjoyable people?
If you are married and cheat and it hurts your spouse than it is wrong because you took an oath, however if your wife does not enjoy sex and does not mind if you get some on the side no harm not foul.
defender

United States

#92334 Dec 7, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>To Believe something is true is a religious concept when such belief is formed with out evidence... It's an Emotional construct... In Science it's a term only used as a generalization... Never as a statement of fact... A Scientist Knows, he Thinks he Knows or he does Not Know... based solely on Evidence...

So Yes Most Scientist Think the theory of Evolution is True because so far in the millions of individual pieces of evidence collected, tested, verified have yet to show a better, more complete theory. There is Evidence that places some of the theory in question and that is why it's called a theory.... But a Real Scientist will give any evidence, even evidence that might be in complete conflict with their existing paradigm theory, consideration and change their theory if the evidence fulfills the requirement of being testable, verifiable and repeatable..... If they Stick to their theory when Evidence is presented that is testable, verifiable and repeatable they cease to be Scientist and become Preachers....
Evolution is religion... Natural Selection is their god and answer to everything... Yet they have no origin for it, cannot explain how it processes information for the benefit of spices or how it could have possibly triggered life or reproduction in the first place or it's reason for doing so.... Save your BS Q... Nobody's buying...
Known fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#92336 Dec 7, 2012
Spaceship earth wrote:
How people get hooked by Jehovah's Witnesses teachings .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =1mr1LsOsemoXX
I must say it took some time but now there is no doubt you are an apostate and I will not be conversing with you any further.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92337 Dec 7, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution is religion... Natural Selection is their god and answer to everything... Yet they have no origin for it, cannot explain how it processes information for the benefit of spices or how it could have possibly triggered life or reproduction in the first place or it's reason for doing so.... Save your BS Q... Nobody's buying...
SOUR GRAPES. You keep saying this but that is like saying believing that electricity is energy is a religion.
Evolution is a scientific theory based on facts, not faith.
Life was not triggered, life has always been.
For a scientific answer how about life is a combination of chemical reaction and electron flow.
Save your B.S. deffender, no one is buying your FAITH (which is why you are so desperate to push your cult on to others)
defender

Manchester, KY

#92338 Dec 7, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>SOUR GRAPES. You keep saying this but that is like saying believing that electricity is energy is a religion.
Evolution is a scientific theory based on facts, not faith.
Life was not triggered, life has always been.
For a scientific answer how about life is a combination of chemical reaction and electron flow.
Save your B.S. deffender, no one is buying your FAITH (which is why you are so desperate to push your cult on to others)
You said " life has always been"... Really?... Best stab there guy?... This is just one of the many examples of pathetic answers one gets when questioning the Wiccan cult know as evolution... They can dish it out pretty good... It's when the ball comes flying back in their court that problems arise...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#92339 Dec 7, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution is religion... Natural Selection is their god and answer to everything... Yet they have no origin for it, cannot explain how it processes information for the benefit of spices or how it could have possibly triggered life or reproduction in the first place or it's reason for doing so.... Save your BS Q... Nobody's buying...
"All I can do is explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you"

I can explain how a turbine engine works but if the person it's being explained to thinks invisible unicorns make airplanes go zoom it doesn't do much good....

Since: Feb 12

El Dorado Hills, CA

#92340 Dec 7, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
I must say it took some time but now there is no doubt you are an apostate and I will not be conversing with you any further.
I don't know why you think I'm a apostate since I never been a JW and would never belong to your crazy cult. But thanks for showing how you love to punish those who did belong to prove the point of evidence I posted.

Since this is a forum debate between religious beliefs and athiest
it serves the public well to know of what wrong doings JW will cover up and what extremes they will go to ruin peoples lives and tactics use to control the brainwash flock to keep them in fear.

You're a prime example of JW hatefullness found in your cults actions and yourself. So keep posting your crazy crap, it will just help drive others away from belonging or believing in your batshit crazy religion.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92341 Dec 8, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
You said " life has always been"... Really?... Best stab there guy?... This is just one of the many examples of pathetic answers one gets when questioning the Wiccan cult know as evolution... They can dish it out pretty good... It's when the ball comes flying back in their court that problems arise...
Then tell me who created your god?
How stupid can you be

Richmond, KY

#92342 Dec 8, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
No I don't.. I have found in this thread that the idea of being a Christian is a variable ... A guy can be a dope shooting, child abusing, thieving, murderer and the Instant they are Saved they then are wonderful Christians as long as they believe in Christ as their savior... But if a ex child abusing dope shooting saved christian finds out about someone else that is a thieving child abusing dope shooter then they were never really christian in the first place and should be hung....
I fully Understand that Christianity is a philosophy and not a religion, but so is Islam and several other philosophy's.. Shite & Sunni along with several others are Religions within the Islamic philosophy... That being said all the killing and crap on all sides is what happens when the Lies of Each cause some to kill... Christians, Islamist or just homicidal maniacs all have similar traits...
"someone else that is a thieving child abusing dope shooter then they were never really christian in the first place and should be hung...."
I never said that!
Do you think with Sandusky's extensive child abuse, long
before his work with his fundation that he WAS a Christian, or
just a creep trolling for young boys to fulfill his
homosexual desires?
My statement is this... Christ changes the Hearts, AND Minds
of sick people! Like the Queer church, IF a person WANTS to hold back some sin from the Lord, but still call themselves 'Christian'
is much like putting an Audi emblem on a chevy, or a
Harley emblem on a Honda!
Takes a lot more than an emblem!
How stupid can you be

Richmond, KY

#92343 Dec 8, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
So were . H. neanderthalensis, H. erectus, H. gautengensis, H. rhodesiensis, H. habilis and many others .... All were Human... back when they were some that were 3 1/2 foot tall and covered with hair and living in trees, they were Human.... Ahhh you don't want to hear it!
And were any of those 'less' intelegent, or 'taller' than us today? Pygmes are still short, bones of ancients have been found to be of giants!
Layers of dirt laid down by floods in a few years fooled
these smart people of today into 'Thinking' millions of years...
Why? Because they do not want to know the Creator!
It's easy for them to say God isn't real, and I can do what I want,
and to twist the data to fit their desires!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92344 Dec 8, 2012
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>"someone else that is a thieving child abusing dope shooter then they were never really christian in the first place and should be hung...."
I never said that!
Do you think with Sandusky's extensive child abuse, long
before his work with his fundation that he WAS a Christian, or
just a creep trolling for young boys to fulfill his
homosexual desires?
My statement is this... Christ changes the Hearts, AND Minds
of sick people! Like the Queer church, IF a person WANTS to hold back some sin from the Lord, but still call themselves 'Christian'
is much like putting an Audi emblem on a chevy, or a
Harley emblem on a Honda!
Takes a lot more than an emblem!
No, they are christians. After all you can do what you want and then ask for forgiveness right? That is the whole appeal of your sick cult isn't it?
Your cult is based on an evil god and an evil race of people who love violence and blood, sex and perversion.
Why do you sick freaks think about sex ALL of the time?
Why do you fu ck your own daughter you sick freak?

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#92345 Dec 8, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
You said " life has always been"... Really?... Best stab there guy?... This is just one of the many examples of pathetic answers one gets when questioning the Wiccan cult know as evolution... They can dish it out pretty good... It's when the ball comes flying back in their court that problems arise...
Actually I passed the ball to your court and you flopped around like a fish out of water.
Tell me who created your god, WHO DID YOUR GOD HAVE TO SACRIFICE JESUS TO???

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