Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,076

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#91245 Nov 16, 2012
Looking for hope wrote:
<quoted text>
John 10:30 I and my Father are one .
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Jesus imitated his Father so perfectly that he could tell his apostles shortly before his execution:“He that has seen me has seen the Father also.”(John 14:9, 10) Yes, in every situation he encountered here on earth, Jesus did just as his Father, Almighty God, would have done if He had been here. Thus, when we study the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, we are, in effect, learning just what kind of person God is.
Known fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#91246 Nov 16, 2012
Lookingfor hope wrote:
John 10:30 I and my Father are one . John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
I asked for scriptures that say that Jesus was God in the flesh.
The scriptures that you posted do not say that!
Known fact

Cocoa Beach, FL

#91247 Nov 16, 2012
Lookingfor hope wrote:
John 10:30 I and my Father are one . John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
If Jesus is God Almighty, then the following is true
God needs to learn obedience Heb5:8, God needs to be made perfect Heb3:10, God is our brother Heb2:11, God offered loud cries & tears to himself that he would save himself from death & since he showed himself reverent submission he answered himself- Heb5:7 Raised himself from death & sat himself down next to his own right hand & removed all authority from himself, to give it to himself so simultaneously he has & doesn't have it. 1Cor15:24-28

“Trying to live a good life”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#91248 Nov 16, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought I answered your question about Jesus being the MESSIAH.
What example do you have where Jehovah's Witnesses changed verses in the Bible?
Gen 1:1,2.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form and void: and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The watchtower bible&tract society denies that the Holy Spirit is alive, the third person of the Trinity. Thusfore, changed the CORRECT translation of "....the SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters", to say ".....and Gods active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters".

Zechariah 12:10
In this verse God is speaking, and says. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and the supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for his first born.

The Jehovah witness changed the word "ME" to "the one", so it says in their bible, ".....they will look upon the one whom they have pierced. Since the JW deny that Jesus is God in the flesh, then Zech 12:10 would present obvious problems-- so they CHANGED it.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD.

The JW mistranslate the verse as "a god". Again, it is because they deny who Jesus is, and must change their bible to make it agree with their theology. The JW version is this "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god".

This is only a few of MANY verses the JW have changed in the Bible. So again, I ask, why did the JW change so many verses?
Looking for hope

Winchester, KY

#91249 Nov 16, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
John 10:30
In What Way Are Jesus and His Father One?
“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus.(John 10:30) Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?
Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect,‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy,‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.
Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God.“The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained.“For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.
This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said:“Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.
I will admit to not knowing the answer to every question that can be ask about the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit but i do know they are one and by knowing that i conclude Jesus was God in flash while here on earth that along with the scriptures i provided are enough for me . The name Immanuel To me means God with us .
Someone ask me the question what do you know about your God and i gave my answer . You not agreeing with my answer changes nothing . You are free to make post of what you believe but i however do not intend to be school in it by you .

“Trying to live a good life”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#91250 Nov 16, 2012
Looking for hope wrote:
<quoted text>
I will admit to not knowing the answer to every question that can be ask about the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit but i do know they are one and by knowing that i conclude Jesus was God in flash while here on earth that along with the scriptures i provided are enough for me . The name Immanuel To me means God with us .
Someone ask me the question what do you know about your God and i gave my answer . You not agreeing with my answer changes nothing . You are free to make post of what you believe but i however do not intend to be school in it by you .
Let me give you some verses to check out, about the Trinity, if you like.
John 1:1, 20:28
John 5:20
Acts 5:3,4
Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8
Matt 28:19
1Cor 12:4-6
2Cor 13:14
1Pet 1:2
Heb 1:8, in this verse, God the Father calls Jesus God the Son,.. GOD.

The JW bible changed most of these verses, if not all.
Looking for hope

Winchester, KY

#91251 Nov 16, 2012
7th Trump wrote:
<quoted text>Let me give you some verses to check out, about the Trinity, if you like.
John 1:1, 20:28
John 5:20
Acts 5:3,4
Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8
Matt 28:19
1Cor 12:4-6
2Cor 13:14
1Pet 1:2
Heb 1:8, in this verse, God the Father calls Jesus God the Son,.. GOD.
The JW bible changed most of these verses, if not all.
Thank you i will look at them .

“Trying to live a good life”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#91252 Nov 16, 2012
Known fact wrote:
<quoted text>
John 10:30
In What Way Are Jesus and His Father One?
“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus.(John 10:30) Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?
Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect,‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy,‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.
Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God.“The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained.“For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.
This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said:“Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.
On your quote of John 5:19, not only has it been changed to suit your agenda. You happened to skip John 5:18.

Here's what the Bible says in John 5:18. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

The Jews knew Jesus was claiming to be God, that's why they wanted to kill Him.
Lordy

Frankfort, KY

#91253 Nov 16, 2012
Love how the believers turn a discussion of 'religion in public schools' too a prayer session!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#91254 Nov 17, 2012
scoobie wrote:
God in schools is something this country needs .....lord knows the parents are dropping the ball when it comes to teaching their kids about God....
Parents do not teach their children that the world is flat any more ether.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#91255 Nov 17, 2012
7th Trump wrote:
<quoted text>Let me give you some verses to check out, about the Trinity, if you like.
John 1:1, 20:28
John 5:20
Acts 5:3,4
Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8
Matt 28:19
1Cor 12:4-6
2Cor 13:14
1Pet 1:2
Heb 1:8, in this verse, God the Father calls Jesus God the Son,.. GOD.
The JW bible changed most of these verses, if not all.
How about giving me the name of this so called Satans bible and the name of the author? Because you just make stuff up as you go along, just like the men who wrote your evil christian bible

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#91256 Nov 17, 2012
Now that it has been proven that 7th trump makes stuff up as he goes along, just like the men who wrote the christian bible, he can be placed in the same category as all of the other liars who want to force their way on to others children.
I wonder what a person who never heard about any religion would think if told these stories as an adult?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#91257 Nov 17, 2012
There are many things I just may not be Positive about,, spirits, ghost, aliens, Back Street Boys,, because the surity of being positive leaves no doubt. The fact there are over fourty one thousand denominations of christianity alone, would seem to open area for lots of doubt. Each one spanks their own version of the same ancient scripts, words chipped on bone and rock all compiled to form holy texts they hold dear as the only true bible.

Let's look at the bibles birth and growth a bit. The first edition was pretty old, 1500bc to 100 A.D. Then add Codex Vaticanus 350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus about 450 A.D. Enter Masoretic text about 500-950 then Wcycliffe 1380 was enjoyed before adding Tyndale about 1525 which was admended ten years later 1535 to Cloverdale, with additions found in Matthews 1537, Great in 1839 and Geneve of 1560 A.D. Up pops Bishops in 1568 to long live the king in 1611 with King James, to be revised in 1769,, it spawned to English revised in 1881 then American Standard in 1901, then came modern translations like RSV in '52, Jerusalem in 1966, NASB'71, NIV in 1979, revised in '84 the REB in '92 and ESV in '01.

Ok, I weaved a bit from 1901 where secs fo Berkely, NEB, Living, NKJV, Cev and Message had versions that seem more altered from the ancient scribbles, and obvious to the higher thinker I did not enter the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls and newly discovered manuscripts of recent findings as they have not yet found their rightful place in the "bible".

Forgive me if I left off anything, it was not intentional like the Catholics removal of any text that did not glorify certain thems to be worshiped, but all in all,,, there is the birth of the bible, a path man has tried unsuccessfully to piece together that explains all.

The path eludes me a well, and I cannot positively say "this" piece of ancient works, with this one and that one is Perfect and correct. So I value the humans that extend a hand of brother love and treat others kind.

Puff, puff, pass.
Looking for hope

Winchester, KY

#91258 Nov 17, 2012
RoachClip wrote:
There are many things I just may not be Positive about,, spirits, ghost, aliens, Back Street Boys,, because the surity of being positive leaves no doubt. The fact there are over fourty one thousand denominations of christianity alone, would seem to open area for lots of doubt. Each one spanks their own version of the same ancient scripts, words chipped on bone and rock all compiled to form holy texts they hold dear as the only true bible.
Let's look at the bibles birth and growth a bit. The first edition was pretty old, 1500bc to 100 A.D. Then add Codex Vaticanus 350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus about 450 A.D. Enter Masoretic text about 500-950 then Wcycliffe 1380 was enjoyed before adding Tyndale about 1525 which was admended ten years later 1535 to Cloverdale, with additions found in Matthews 1537, Great in 1839 and Geneve of 1560 A.D. Up pops Bishops in 1568 to long live the king in 1611 with King James, to be revised in 1769,, it spawned to English revised in 1881 then American Standard in 1901, then came modern translations like RSV in '52, Jerusalem in 1966, NASB'71, NIV in 1979, revised in '84 the REB in '92 and ESV in '01.
Ok, I weaved a bit from 1901 where secs fo Berkely, NEB, Living, NKJV, Cev and Message had versions that seem more altered from the ancient scribbles, and obvious to the higher thinker I did not enter the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls and newly discovered manuscripts of recent findings as they have not yet found their rightful place in the "bible".
Forgive me if I left off anything, it was not intentional like the Catholics removal of any text that did not glorify certain thems to be worshiped, but all in all,,, there is the birth of the bible, a path man has tried unsuccessfully to piece together that explains all.
The path eludes me a well, and I cannot positively say "this" piece of ancient works, with this one and that one is Perfect and correct. So I value the humans that extend a hand of brother love and treat others kind.
Puff, puff, pass.

Do you believe in God ?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#91259 Nov 17, 2012
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Awwww...
It's so cute! You spelled 'Fox','Faux'....
It's funny, as that is exactly why I started watching Fox!
See... You NEVER have to be Ashamed of making a Right decision!
The "Good" People at Fox Knows that Killing a Baby is BAD...
Among other things you Faux haters think is A-Ok!
Incase you missed it...
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made,[even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
without excuse:
1:21 Because that when they knew God, they glorified [him] not
as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools:
1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an
image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
four-footed beasts, and creeping animals.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the
lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between
themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and
served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for
ever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections. For
even their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves
that recompense of their error which was meet.
.
This was a letter written to the Romans that were turning
from their Evil ways... Now were back into it....
Go Figure!
I used the word Faux (as in fake, false and untrue)because it is apt. How incredibly, insidiously insane does one have to be to propose that they are divinely righteous? News flash, son. If FOX had covered the teachings of Jesus in real time, they would have regarded him as akin to an OWS subversive and urged for him to be removed from conservative society.

“Trying to live a good life”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#91260 Nov 17, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
Now that it has been proven that 7th trump makes stuff up as he goes along, just like the men who wrote the christian bible, he can be placed in the same category as all of the other liars who want to force their way on to others children.
I wonder what a person who never heard about any religion would think if told these stories as an adult?
Are you to stupid to know, people can google your vulgar bible, and read it themselves? They can also google how many of your fellow satanic worshippers are in prison right now for performing satanic child molestation in different sorts of rituals. Just because I know what it says, doesn't mean Im going to post verses from it, or links to it on this site, I find it to be an abomination. Your fellow idiot members not only committed these acts in the name of your satanic cult, they confessed to doing so, most even bragging about it.

Maybe you should do a google search on it yourself, seeing that you have no idea what your religion consist of. You yourself have been on this very site, trying to get a minor to meet with you and your fellow members, so you could have your way with him. You're nothing more than a perverted sicko. Stay away from children pervert!

“Trying to live a good life”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#91261 Nov 17, 2012
RoachClip wrote:
There are many things I just may not be Positive about,, spirits, ghost, aliens, Back Street Boys,, because the surity of being positive leaves no doubt. The fact there are over fourty one thousand denominations of christianity alone, would seem to open area for lots of doubt. Each one spanks their own version of the same ancient scripts, words chipped on bone and rock all compiled to form holy texts they hold dear as the only true bible.
Let's look at the bibles birth and growth a bit. The first edition was pretty old, 1500bc to 100 A.D. Then add Codex Vaticanus 350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus about 450 A.D. Enter Masoretic text about 500-950 then Wcycliffe 1380 was enjoyed before adding Tyndale about 1525 which was admended ten years later 1535 to Cloverdale, with additions found in Matthews 1537, Great in 1839 and Geneve of 1560 A.D. Up pops Bishops in 1568 to long live the king in 1611 with King James, to be revised in 1769,, it spawned to English revised in 1881 then American Standard in 1901, then came modern translations like RSV in '52, Jerusalem in 1966, NASB'71, NIV in 1979, revised in '84 the REB in '92 and ESV in '01.
Ok, I weaved a bit from 1901 where secs fo Berkely, NEB, Living, NKJV, Cev and Message had versions that seem more altered from the ancient scribbles, and obvious to the higher thinker I did not enter the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls and newly discovered manuscripts of recent findings as they have not yet found their rightful place in the "bible".
Forgive me if I left off anything, it was not intentional like the Catholics removal of any text that did not glorify certain thems to be worshiped, but all in all,,, there is the birth of the bible, a path man has tried unsuccessfully to piece together that explains all.
The path eludes me a well, and I cannot positively say "this" piece of ancient works, with this one and that one is Perfect and correct. So I value the humans that extend a hand of brother love and treat others kind.
Puff, puff, pass.
That's why you take everything back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic Manuscripts. No matter how much a scribe changes their version of the Bible, you can always get the truth from the Original Manuscripts. Just take the JW bible, when you read it, it doesn't even resemble the Original Manuscripts, they put in new verses, and changed verses from only the KJV, probably not even knowing that you can go to the Original Manuscripts and prove that the KJV is much more accurate than their version.

The Bible says not to change the script, and then tells you to beware of the ones who do change it. So, beware,, alot of false doctrine floating around out there these days. Take everything back to the Original Manuscripts and you can fully understand what's happened, and is going to happen. Why take your chances on a changed version, knowing the Bible warns you of changed version!
How stupid can you be

Clay City, KY

#91262 Nov 17, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Parents do not teach their children that the world is flat any more ether.
It was the Bible that taught it was Round... tard!
Everything you post is the antithesis of the truth!
What is it with you anti-Christ nut jobs when comes to lying?
Buy a Clue... the Truth sets you free!
How stupid can you be

Clay City, KY

#91263 Nov 17, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I used the word Faux (as in fake, false and untrue)because it is apt. How incredibly, insidiously insane does one have to be to propose that they are divinely righteous? News flash, son. If FOX had covered the teachings of Jesus in real time, they would have regarded him as akin to an OWS subversive and urged for him to be removed from conservative society.
If you do not think I know what 'Faux' means?
Evidently ... very stupid!
Still, watching Fox news is better that watching the libtards fawning all over Osama's butt!
Al-Quida is NOT dead, or on it's heals...
He Lied!
No suprise there... The end is near...
Hold on to yer hat, it's gonna be one hell of a ride!
The Truth

Ashland, KY

#91264 Nov 17, 2012
kellerman wrote:
It's not appropriate to teach religion in school. we live in a diverse society and can't teach all religions in schools. One has to keep these separate, it's up to the parents to inform their children on religious upbringing. I thought this issue was long solved, but i see it keeps coming back up.
II
"Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

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