'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate

Oct 1, 2010 | Posted by: Top Mod2 | Full story: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).

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Conservative Host: Trayvon Deserved To Die And So Does ‘Faggot’ Dan Savage (VIDEO)

Pushing the boundaries of conservative race baiting, conservative talk show host Stan Solomont continued to promulgate the idea that President Obama and the Democratic carefully crafting a race war in order to kill all white straight Americans, and he used the opportunity to deliver a bigoted rant accusing gays, African-Americans, Jews, and Muslims of being simply pawns if the Satanic left, saying that Trayvon Martin disserved to die, hoping for “that faggot” Dan Savage’s death, and making racist comments about First Lady Michelle Obama.

Listen to me carefully. No you don’t, kiss my Obama, I don’t give a damn what you do, I know what I’m going to do and I know what people with an ‘I’ and a ‘Q’ are going to do. The left, which is godless and serves Satan, has an agenda. To accomplish their agenda they have to get idiots, morons, numbnuts to do stupid things so the focus will be on them and not on the libs, not on the leftists. Jews, homosexuals, blacks, gays, Islamists, you may think they’re disparate groups, they’re not, they’re all tools. Because while we’re mad at these two punks, we’re mad at Trayvon Martin, that thug that deserves to be dead and I’m glad he’s dead.

Pieces of crap, homosexuals like what’s that one guy’s name?[Dan] Savage. That faggot. That horrible, awful, terrible excuse for a human being who is at the White House promoting attacks on Christians. I hope he dies — he probably will — of every disease known. By the way, I’m sending him a fire hydrant for his birthday, I’m hoping he’ll sit on it; he’ll slide all the way down to the ground. Sorry fire hydrant fans, I don’t mean to insult fire hydrants.

At any rate, do you understand what I’m saying here? These groups are being recruited. Environmentalists, nuclear freeze, it doesn’t make a difference what group it is. If you put anything ahead of doing what’s right in God’s eyes, or better yet ignoring the reality of God, then you’re a tool, you’re a useful idiot.

Solomon then called on his white viewers to buy guns to protect themselves against black and Latino “terrorists.”

“If you’re white, you’re a target,” Solomon contended.“Get a gun, know how to use it, never be without it and don’t leave your family unprotected.” He warned that black and Latino public school and college students are “terrorists in training” who are “being taught” to hate white people.

“You have to go to college and admit,‘Oh if you’re white it’s unfair.’ Pretend like you’re black, pretend like you’re a homosexual, which means you are sick and stupid and ignorant and going to die, early,” Solomon continued.

“If somebody comes at you—I don’t give a damn if you’re white, black, pink or purple—and you’re not sure, shoot him and find out later. It’s better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.”

“George Zimmerman knows all about that,” co-host “Chief” Steve Davis replied
Solomon, not one to hold back on making racist jokes about Michelle Obama, attacked the first lady over her promotion of healthy eating among youth:“They have that Michelle O-Buick butt Obama’s you know, by the way, she doesn’t eat that crap, she eats like a garbage disposal at a fast food joint. Actually, they might name one after her….They just eat the biggest junk in the world.”
He said he wouldn’t say anything about Malia and Sasha Obama,“except that I wish them the best having crap for parents.”

They say that sunlight is the best disinfectant, so let’s make sure that this bigot’s actions are exposed for America to see.

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Lying, bigoted, racist repukes...they are everywhere. haha They can't help themselves. The teabaggers unleashed it in them all.

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AKA Hot C wrote:
Hey Ari, tell them about this account being banned
Those were YOUR own words, just another LIE.
I see you updated your avatar since my last visit.
Further proving you think truth is just another word, and honesty is like toilet paper for you.
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Man charged in threats to Rep. Tulsi Gabbard

Washington (CNN)-- A man has been arrested for making threats against Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
Anirruddha Sherbow was apprehended by Mexican law enforcement officers in Tijuana on Wednesday. The FBI and U.S. Capitol Police said Sherbow made threats against the Hawaii Democrat this month that were "deemed credible."

Officials would not describe the nature of any statements allegedly made by Sherbow involving the congresswoman, and court documents remain under seal.

According to the Hawaii Reporter, Sherbow sent an e-mail to the FBI threatening to decapitate Gabbard. That report also said Gabbard obtained a three-year restraining order against Sherbow in 2011.

Sherbow is facing a charge of transmission of threats in interstate commerce.
Mexican authorities turned Sherbow over to FBI agents in San Diego, where is expected to have a court appearance Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/29/politics/tulsi-...

The right wing of this country has been infested with hate and bigotry for over half a century. The target of discrimination changes every few years but the rage is always there.

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/#ixzz2dOAmh18N

Yep, they are trying to TAKE AMERICA BACK to the all white racist days of their KKK heroes.

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A wingnut for everyone! Every fringe group gets its Republican politician

Group pushing to pay for less child support loves Ken Cuccinelli. Nowadays all wingnut groups have a big GOP backer

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is pretty much detested by women in Virginia — Democrat Terry McAuliffe, who once left his crying wife and their infant child in a car so that he could make an appearance at a fundraiser, currently leads Cuccinelli among women by 12 points — but he’s got the support of some of the men who used to be married to some of those women, according to this Washington Post story. The “Fathers’ rights” movement, a small but vocal group of men fighting for deference in the divorce, child support and custody process, is firmly behind Cuccinelli.

Cuccinelli has represented the former leader of a local group in a custody case, and when he was a legislator he supported the fathers’ rights policy agenda.

Cuccinelli is not specifically, openly pro-fathers’ rights (and to be clear, the number one “fathers’ rights” issue is wanting to pay less child support). His support for their agenda is honestly more about his opposition to legal divorce, something else he doesn’t talk about much anymore.

make sure that the “traditional” link between marriage and child-rearing is maintained.
But whether or not Cuccinelli is personally pro-”fathers’ rights,” he has their support and has voted the way they like. He does not have a lot of company — even psycho Florida governor Rick Scott has vetoed legislation supported by fathers’ rights groups — but they got Cuccinelli, and he might be the next governor of Virginia.

This is truly a golden age for conservative fringe groups. No matter how obscure — or widely reviled — your pet cause is, it’s now easier than ever to find a Republican politician, often a fairly prominent one, willing to support it, or at least allow you to believe that he supports it.

Republican politicians now aren’t just responsive to the desires of the big interests, like oil and gas. Nowadays a pol on the make is willing to fight for almost any crazy cause.

If you’re a “Fathers Rights” guy you have Ken Cuccinelli. If you’re a neo-Confederate you have the Paul family. If you’re a hardcore goldbug, you have, well, the Pauls again, but also sometimes most of the rest of the party it seems like. If you love dogfighting, you have Steve King. If you’re the government of Georgia you have John McCain, though it’ll cost you.(If you’re the government of Malaysia you have whatever conservative pundits you can afford.)

The hardcore Sharia-fearing Islamophobes have their stalwart allies. The Austrian economists are made to feel welcome by major GOP figures. A party that can make room in its tent for the pro-dogfighting lobby has room for any white person with a crazy grievance. And if it weren’t for the fact that most of what these people want is terrible, this would almost be admirable. Because on the other side, the Democrats barely ever listen to some of the biggest and most “mainstream” elements of their political coalition, like the labor movement and environmentalists. The Republicans indulge everyone, which surely makes being a crazy conservative feel much more satisfying.

Unfortunately it also generally leads to horrible laws.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/every_fringe_...

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Based upon your recent posts, the thinking is that you have lost it, skipped a notch, gone looney-tunes.
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GOP’s inane, money-eating sham: Drug tests for welfare a huge failure

Drug tests for welfare is a huge waste. But if we’re testing those getting taxpayer money, how about GOP pols, too?

The Republican Party may generally be short on policy ideas, but there is one it has long been enraptured with: drug tests for those receiving government assistance. Most recently, the House proposed requiring drug tests for those getting food stamps, with the notion that this would save money and waste, by preventing recipients from using the assistance on illegal substances.

Fortunately, there are test cases for this plan, and the data is in. The verdict: This is an inane plan and a waste of money.

During the past year, the state of Utah has spent over $30,000 giving drug tests to welfare recipients. In that time period, only 2.6 percent of those tested were found to have used illegal substances — well below the national use rate of 8.9 percent. As in all eight states where drug tests are used to determine eligibility for government assistance, specifically Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Utah’s program was allegedly initiated on the grounds of saving the state money.

However, across the board these programs fail to do so — and that’s not even their biggest problem.
In 2009, Arizona was the first state to adopt a program that drug-tested recipients of welfare whom officials had “reasonable cause” to believe were using drugs. Implemented in part to try to resuscitate a failing budget (in addition to stigmatizing recipients of government assistance), Arizona officials believed that testing could save the state $1.7 million a year.

But in 2012, three years and 87,000 screenings later, only one person had failed a drug test.

Total savings from denying that one person benefits?$560. Total benefits paid out in that time?$200 million. Even if we include the savings from cutting benefits to the 1,633 people who didn’t return the pre-test survey, it brings the total to only 0.1 percent of the amount distributed over that period.

Similarly lackluster results have dogged Oklahoma’s drug testing program in which only 29 people failed. When contacted, Oklahoma’s Department of Human Services said it didn’t keep track of the amount the state saved by denying benefits to those who tested positive, but testing fees are estimated to have totaled $74,000.
Florida had a testing program in 2011 that was halted by the courts not long after it was started. During its brief lifespan it had similarly poor results. Only 2.6 percent of those tested turned up positive for illicit substances. And since Florida reimbursed those who were clean for the cost of their tests, the state actually lost $45,780 because of the program.

Florida is especially important because Gov. Rick Scott owned a $62 million stake in Soltanic Corp., a chain of urgent care centers that, among other things, specializes in confidential drug testing. He transferred the shares of the company to his wife in January of 2011 just three months before both mandating that state employees would be tested and signing the law for welfare testing into effect.

Scott’s company didn’t bid on the contract to conduct the state tests. Even so, Scott’s ties to the medical industry highlight the hypocrisy of programs that use budget consciousness as an excuse to cut welfare spending while merely channeling state funds to private businesses — in effect, turning individual welfare into corporate welfare.And what does the future look like for these programs? There are bright spots: North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory vetoed a testing law this month, saying it “is not a smart way to combat drug abuse.”
Read more on this:
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/gop%e2%80%99s...

Typical republiCONS make BIG PHARMA CORPS who line their pockets just a little richer while denying children food to eat.

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Now that the British have gained the same sense that Putin had to begin with, allow the Muslim Brotherhood to kill itself and the Military in Syria to kill them and then see where the dust settles while keeping the rest of the World cooling out.
Wonder just if Obama will still shoot off a few rockets to save face. Shame the Navy and the military will be in Harms Way to save face.

Talk about killing the innocent civilians.

Sure hope he sits on this one awhile.
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Based upon your recent posts, the thinking is that you have lost it, skipped a notch, gone looney-tunes.
All those factual articles about your lying racist teabagging republiCONS, got you spinning there teabagger? hahaha

THAT's just today's headlines. There's more. Go brew you some tea, smoke you some herb, or brew some herb and smoke your tea leaves, either way, it must suck to be identified with such hate, racism, gloom and doom. Better go wash your sheets.

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<quoted text>She is a he Calvin 6'8" an 275lbs.
Hey if you don't like the sky I can teach ya about something else Calvin.
I like the sky just fine, I know where the north star is...it's in the north,(hehe) about 38 degrees above the horizon, first star in the handle of the little dipper

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<quoted text>Calvin don't listen to that BATSHIT broad she can only talk the talk but she has never walked the walk.
what walk would that be, and how do you know?
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Sunny wrote:
<quoted text>Calvin don't listen to that BATSHIT broad she can only talk the talk but she has never walked the walk.
I REPEAT...I AM NOT your )8~D> batshit crazy loon A Lunatic chemtrail sonny sue. Are you a 6'8 fatass he/she? I talk the talk and walk it. YOU have nothing of any significance to say except try to play mommy/daddy to Calvin. NEWS ALERT: He has a mom and dad. Try mentoring that pervert arisocks if you must mentor someone.

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Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
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Your perspective is skewed, because your thought process is screwed., not don't go away lewd...just go away DUDE!
I pointed out and explained your misrepresentation of fact/history multiple times on this line of thought.
You are wrong Reagan was RIGHT (literally and figuratively).
Reagan was the beginning of the downfall of the middle class. If you have any proof of wages starting at that point being anything but down hill please post it.
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http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/16/news/economy/...
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http://money.usnews.com/money/business-econom...
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Here's the best one to back up my side of the Reagan story. The numbers come from the US Census Bureau.
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http://www.politicalruminations.com/2012/08/c...
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<quoted text>She is a he Calvin 6'8" an 275lbs.
Hey if you don't like the sky I can teach ya a, bout something else Calvin.
Hi Sunny, just to tell you something, those DemoCONS think you are [me], ok?!

Also, when they are talking about [chemtrails] they're talking about [me]. In CA and some other states you see, up in the sky so many trails in one day, CHEMTRAILS and not from a jet. Has something to do with a weather manipulation, government experiments. Those looney liberals don't believe that government is capable to do such thing on their own people ...right! Like, didn't happened ever before.

Just for you to know Sunny when they are talking about [chemtrails] it's about me...LIKE A GIVE A RATSA**, what they're saying about me.
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A party full of rodeo clowns: GOP flips the bird to racial justice

By spurning invitations to celebrate the 1963 March, Republicans show they don't care about seeming racist anymore

Republicans haven’t been truly competitive for the African American vote since Richard Nixon got a third of black voters in 1960 against John F. Kennedy, who spent most of that campaign hedging his bets on civil rights. After that, the party of Lincoln actively drove black people into the ranks of Democrats. The testimony of black Republicans who were sidelined, excluded and even attacked at the 1964 convention in San Francisco, when the party nominated the anti-civil rights Barry Goldwater, is painful to read.

That’s all behind us. As recently as 2007, I believe, it would have been unthinkable that no major Republican leader would accept an invitation to join Wednesday’s commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington. But that’s what happened this week, even though a delusional Bill O’Reilly claimed last night that “no Republicans and no conservatives were invited” to speak. As usual, O’Reilly is wrong: House Speaker John Boehner was washing his hair; wait, he was visiting Wyoming (the sixth whitest state in the U.S., by the way). Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who traveled to Selma with Rep. John Lewis last year, was likewise otherwise engaged. Both Presidents Bush are recuperating from health troubles. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was invited in his brother and father’s stead, but he had other plans. Sen. John McCain also declined.

“We had a very concerted effort, because this is not a political moment,” said Rep. Leah Daughtry, executive producer of the commemoration.“This was about us coming together as a community, so we wanted to be sure that we had all political representations,” Daughtry said.“We attempted very vigorously to have someone from the GOP participate and unfortunately they were unable to find someone who was able to participate.”

RNC chair Reince Priebus pointed to the fact that Republicans held their own King commemoration Monday, inviting only blacks who are Republicans. Sounds like a fun time — a separate but equal celebration.

The fact that no leading Republican bothered to attend the 50th anniversary commemoration shows how far to the right they’ve moved on race. It’s not just that they’ve thrown in the towel when it comes to appealing to black voters. They also don’t think it’s worth it to make an extra effort to appeal to white voters who flinch at racism.
Thursday morning’s campaign by some Republicans to make march organizers out to be the real racists, because they didn’t invite South Carolina’s appointed black senator Tim Scott, represents the usual GOP game of racial tit-for-tat. The fact is, the organizers were reaching out to national GOP leaders, and Scott is not one of them. His hostility to everything the Congressional Black Caucus stands for also makes him an unlikely and provocative choice as speaker.

Reporters are desperate to find signs of moderation and decency in today’s Republican Party.

Unfortunately, Republicans aren’t desperate to display such signs. Right now they’re comfortable with the status quo, in which more than 90 percent of self-described GOP voters are white, in a country that’s barely 60 percent white, and getting less white every day. While MSNBC was broadcasting Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s 1963 speech in its entirety, former Sen. Jim DeMint of the Heritage Foundation was buffoonishly tweeting:“Would MLK have approved of Obamacare?” DeMint couldn’t be bothered to walk to the Mall and talk to any of King’s actual or political heirs. He’s just another rodeo clown in a party that’s teeming with them.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/a_party_full_...

"Reporters are desperate to find signs of moderation and decency in today’s Republican Party." (like EVERYONE)

That snub will cost them.

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I REPEAT...I AM NOT your )8~D> batshit crazy loon A Lunatic chemtrail sonny sue. Are you a 6'8 fatass he/she? I talk the talk and walk it. YOU have nothing of any significance to say except try to play mommy/daddy to Calvin. NEWS ALERT: He has a mom and dad. Try mentoring that pervert arisocks if you must mentor someone.
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goodnight Ms R..I don't have time for Ari to consult the Oracle before every post (not that that does him any good)...he must lie in bed at night 'praying' that some day he can 'shoot the 3' like Hot C.....don't you think?

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OZombies wrote:
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Hi Sunny, just to tell you something, those DemoCONS think you are [me], ok?!
Also, when they are talking about [chemtrails] they're talking about [me]. In CA and some other states you see, up in the sky so many trails in one day, CHEMTRAILS and not from a jet. Has something to do with a weather manipulation, government experiments. Those looney liberals don't believe that government is capable to do such thing on their own people ...right! Like, didn't happened ever before.
Just for you to know Sunny when they are talking about [chemtrails] it's about me...LIKE A GIVE A RATSA**, what they're saying about me.
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Hi, Chemtrail

no jets in CA?
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Republicans turn on each other, invite national disaster

Awkward infighting on Obamacare pits the GOP realists vs. the fantasists. The result is desperate and catastrophic VIDEO

Anti-Obamacare dead-enders have reached the phase of their campaign to destroy the Affordable Care Act where they’re inviting mockery and derision from the very people they’re trying to convince.
The latest headline-grabber comes out of Ohio, where conservatives are organizing a protest outside of one of House Speaker John Boehner’s congressional offices where they’ll be chanting about “Boehnercare”— a new moniker intended to serve as a wakeup call to GOP congressional leaders: If you don’t adopt our self-defeating tactics, you’ll be as responsible for the ACA as Obama and the Democrats.

I interpret the news as a late act of desperation from a segment of the conservative base that’s running out of time and options. Though the entire movement is united behind the belief that Obamacare needs to be repealed, only part of it has accepted the obvious fact that the 2012 election put that goal nearly out of reach. The rest are holding on to a fantasy (a lucrative, publicity-rich fantasy) that Obamacare can be repealed or hobbled or at least delayed before its major benefits come into effect over the coming weeks.

And though their efforts this summer have been remarkably unsuccessful — I don’t think one GOP leader or party elder has publicly endorsed the defund-or-shutdown strategy — you can see the effect this has had on the party over just a few short weeks.

The parochial concerns of individual Republicans and the national party’s interest in a wider appeal run in opposite directions, and it’s hastening the GOP crackup like cold air on a broken windshield. The infighting has dominated national politics this August. It’s everywhere, public, and at times extraordinarily awkward. The Hill traced the battle lines neatly in an article pitting powerful activists like the Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action against the GOP members they’re targeting.

“This is about stopping the worst law that has ever been passed, something we believe will destroy the country, and not all Republicans are willing to stop it. We need to draw a line in the sand,” Senate Conservatives Fund executive director Matt Hoskins told the Hill.“Anyone who votes to fund ObamaCare should have a primary challenge — they’re part of the problem and they should be replaced.”

Compare to Rep. Renee Elmers, R-N.C., a target of these activists, whose campaign account tweeted “Why is @Heritage_Action spending $550K to attack conservatives but not @KayHagan who was a deciding vote on #Obamacare?” on Friday.

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., is a staunch conservative and one of the newest members of the Senate. He won’t face reelection again until 2018 and is thus politically insulated from anti-ACA pressure groups. He has a record of opposing continuing appropriations for the federal government — he voted against the one that has kept the government operating since March — but has been critical of the defund-or-shutdown ultimatum. And that’s heresy enough to convince activists to light their money on fire.

Flake — unlike, say, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.— has a full six-year term ahead of him before these guys can seek real reprisals. On Monday evening, Flake proved that time is freedom and said what so many other Republicans really think of their new but well-heeled antagonists on the right.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/27/backs_against...

LMAO@teabagging republiCONS eating their own......
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Calvin_Coolish wrote:
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goodnight Ms R..I don't have time for Ari to consult the Oracle before every post (not that that does him any good)...he must lie in bed at night 'praying' that some day he can 'shoot the 3' like Hot C.....don't you think?
Goodnight Calvin. Have fun in school tomorrow. 3 day weekend coming, enjoy it.

BTW, check your window before you go to bed and make sure that arisock pervert isn't eyeing you up. hahahaha He is SO obsessed with you.

Sweet dreams

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The right is wrong about rights

The conservative theory of freedom is short-sighted and confused. This helps explain why they oppose so much

President Obama’s insistence that Americans have a right to healthcare has drawn predictable criticism from American conservatives, who insist that good health should be a private luxury reserved for those who can pay, or perhaps something provided by charity, rather than an entitlement to a public utility service that should be provided to all citizens of a modern society. Indeed, one of the major indictments in the conservative case against modern American progressive-liberalism is the charge that center-left Americans believe that new natural rights can be discovered or that new positive rights should be created by legislation.

But the conservative theory of rights does not do justice to the pragmatism and flexibility of the Lockean natural rights theory held by America’s Founders. According to that theory, natural rights are either inalienable, such as the rights to life and liberty (you cannot legitimately sell yourself into slavery), or alienable (individuals may alienate part or all of their natural right to self-defense, by forming a community and pooling the coercive power to enforce laws). In addition to these few, broad natural rights, there are potentially an infinite number of subsidiary rights that can be created by laws or constitutions. While natural rights are universal, the subsidiary or instrumental rights needed to promote them necessarily vary, in different times and places. For example, the right to life is universal, but the right to a free press is a subsidiary right that would be pointless in a preliterate tribal society.

Lockean natural rights theory, then, is quite flexible, particularly when it comes to lesser rights or entitlements that a sovereign people may choose to create to better achieve fundamental natural rights. Conservatives, however, typically fail to make the distinction between timeless natural rights and subsidiary rights that are time-bound and context-bound.

Here are the rights (all of them subsidiary rights, not primary or natural rights) listed in the first 10 amendments to the U.S. constitution:
The right to freedom of religion, press and assembly (First Amendment);

The right to bear arms (Second Amendment);
The right of homeowners to be free from the 18th-century practice of having soldiers quartered in their homes (Third Amendment);

Detailed procedural rights including warrants, bail, punishments, speedy trials and the use of Anglo-American common law (Fourth through Eighth Amendments).

(The ninth and 10th amendments are catch-all provisions, dealing with unenumerated or unlisted rights.)

Here are FDR’s proposed additional subsidiary rights, from his Second Bill of Rights speech in 1944:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return that will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

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FDR’s Second Bill of Rights, and similar proposals, are not intended to replace the original bill of rights, but only to supplement it. Progressives believe that we should have both the right to free speech and the right to minimal healthcare at public expense.

FDR made it clear that he viewed all of the rights in both the original bill of rights and the proposed Second Bill of Rights as lesser, subsidiary rights, important because they could enable American citizens better to pursue their basic, human rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”:

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however — as our industrial economy expanded — these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.“Necessitous men are not free men.”[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

Many conservatives argue that true rights are “negative rights,” in which the government simply leaves individuals alone, rather than “positive rights,” in which government is obliged to perform some positive service for citizens. But as Cass Sunstein pointed out in his excellent book “The Second Bill of Rights”(2006), the right to use a public judicial system is a positive right or entitlement, just as much as the right to use a public school system or a public hospital or a public road. The fourth through the eighth amendments to the federal Constitution involve the detailed structure of the positive right to a taxpayer-funded, free and fair police and court system, covering everything from bail to punishments and warrants. In other words, half of the eight substantive amendements in the Bill of Rights (amendments nine and 10 are catch-all categories dealing with unenumerated or unlisted rights) have to do with positive rights, not negative rights.

The essential dispute between progressives and conservatives is whether timeless natural rights must be pursued here and throughout the world forever using only the limited set of subsidiary rights that had been devised by British and American law before 1800.

If there really are universal human rights, they will be the same 200 years from now as they were 200 years ago. But helping to secure them in the world of 2213 may require the creation of lesser, instrumental rights by law or constitutional amendment that differ from the subsidiary rights of the U.S. of 2013 or 1813.

Franklin Roosevelt understood that, even if today’s self-described constitutional conservatives do not. As he observed in 1936:

The true conservative seeks to protect the system of private property and free enterprise by correcting such injustices and inequalities as arise from it. The most serious threat to our institutions comes from those who refuse to face the need for change. Liberalism becomes the protection for the far-sighted conservative.

… Wise and prudent men — intelligent conservatives — have long known that in a changing world worthy institutions can be conserved only by adjusting them to the changing time. In the words of the great essayist,“The voice of great events is proclaiming to us ‘Reform if you would preserve.’” I am that kind of conservative because I am that kind of liberal.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/27/the_right_is_...

The RIGHT isn't RIGHT about much of anything. Just lying, bigoted greedy racists.

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