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American Lady

United States

#90682 Mar 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't "know" ...
Mine have NOT begun to DO that ... yet ...!!!:D
-n-
They are ALL "natural" ...
;0)
Bob Seger - Nightmoves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hdvBh9bJMsYXX
Just playing, they got more hang time than Micheal Jordon.

Since: Mar 13

Winchester, Ky.

#90684 Mar 28, 2013
Allow me to interject some objectivity; Some posters have went overboard with projections of total chaos and our government using drones on America at large. Some posters have stated our government will NEVER do that.
History shows that whenever people bury their head in the sand (so to speak) they never see the evil headed their direction.
Government has turned on it's citizens, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Japan, and even America!
Look at the plight of African Americans, they protest and thugs in uniform with accoutrement of war oppressed them, killed, and even hanged them.

The second amendment is the black mans right to defend himself against this ever happening again!
"the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed", government shall not oppress!

MeMyselfandEyeUSA
zaggag

Pittsburgh, PA

#90685 Mar 28, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …… Cant buy luck man
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#90686 Mar 28, 2013
Most in Congress DO NOT BELIEVE in the US Constitution.

If they did, they would have impeached:

LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.

Nixon for Watergate.

Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra.

Bush/Cheney for WMD in Iraq.

http://tinyurl.com/yh3xdku
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#90687 Mar 28, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
Most in Congress DO NOT BELIEVE in the US Constitution.
If they did, they would have impeached:
LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.
Nixon for Watergate.
Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra.
Bush/Cheney for WMD in Iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/yh3xdku
Uhhh they did impeach Nixon dummy.
HDT

West Liberty, KY

#90688 Mar 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
'FREE' BREAST IMPLANTS WHILE PATIENTS STARVE
Saga of 'distressed' flat-chested woman a preview of Obamacare?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/free-breast-implan...
Let's keep in mind,that not all breast implants are used for flat chested women. Breast cancer is the newest rage,sorry to be so blunt,but stop and think!!!
Waiyusotan

Lexington, KY

#90689 Mar 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't "know" ...
Mine have NOT begun to DO that ... yet ...!!!:D
-n-
They are ALL "natural" ...
;0)
Bob Seger - Nightmoves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hdvBh9bJMsYXX
Hey! all that's great! I'M a natural man anyway. Big Smiles. Honey, have a nice uplifting day.
demonic rats

Somerset, KY

#90690 Mar 28, 2013
there was only one elected president of the united states of america to have been impeached, that is william jefferson clinton you know the guy whose pet name is spots on a blue dress, isee the leftwingwhackadoodles are undereducated as usual

Since: Mar 13

Winchester, Ky.

#90691 Mar 28, 2013
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>Uhhh they did impeach Nixon dummy.
Congress also made the decision to go to war (they authorized the funding) so in essence Congress let them off the hook. There were special investigations held : "Iran Contra Hearings", remember Lt. Col. Oliver North?

Since: Mar 13

Winchester, Ky.

#90692 Mar 28, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
Most in Congress DO NOT BELIEVE in the US Constitution.
If they did, they would have impeached:
LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.
Nixon for Watergate.
Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra.
Bush/Cheney for WMD in Iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/yh3xdku
About the Gulf of Tonkin
"It was an incident in the Tonkin Gulf that enabled Johnson to justify his actions. This occurred in August 1964, when the American warships the U.S.S. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox were patrolling in interna- tional waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. Johnson went on national television to tell the Ameri- can people that the North Vietnamese had torpedoed the ships without provocation. The Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964 provided President Johnson the authority to vastly increase the U.S. commitment to the war.
In reality, the American ships were electronically monitoring attacks by South Vietnam, and the details of the event were less clear than Johnson made them seem. The captain of the Maddox, John Herrick, sent the following message to Washington soon after it occurred:“Review of action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects on radar and overeager sonar men may have accounted for many reports. No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken”(Moise, 1996). Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara wanted to retaliate, and while they did not completely lie to the American people, they
A peaceful anti-Vietnam War dem- onstrator holds up a flower to armed soldiers protecting the perimeter of the Pentagon.
bow11111_04_c04_189-256.indd 244 6/10/11 8:23 AM
CHAPTER 4Section 4.7 Vietnam: A Nation Divided (1963–1974)
selected the evidence to make the best case for war. The result was the Tonkin Gulf Resolu- tion, passed in the House by 416 to 0 and in the Senate by 88 to 2. It granted the president the authority to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” in Southeast Asia (Williams, 1989)"
American History

Since: Mar 13

Winchester, Ky.

#90693 Mar 28, 2013
oops typing too fast!

revision (without "-"'s)

It was an incident in the Tonkin Gulf that enabled Johnson to justify his actions. This occurred in August 1964, when the American warships the U.S.S. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox were patrolling in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. Johnson went on national television to tell the American people that the North Vietnamese had torpedoed the ships without provocation. The Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964 provided President Johnson the authority to vastly increase the U.S. commitment to the war.
In reality, the American ships were electronically monitoring attacks by South Vietnam, and the details of the event were less clear than Johnson made them seem. The captain of the Maddox, John Herrick, sent the following message to Washington soon after it occurred:“Review of action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects on radar and overeager sonar men may have accounted for many reports. No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken”(Moise, 1996). Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara wanted to retaliate, and while they did not completely lie to the American people, they
A peaceful anti-Vietnam War demonstrator holds up a flower to armed soldiers protecting the perimeter of the Pentagon.

They selected the evidence to make the best case for war. The result was the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, passed in the House by 416 to 0 and in the Senate by 88 to 2. It granted the president the authority to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” in Southeast Asia (Williams, 1989)
Uncle Tab

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#90697 Mar 28, 2013
Thanks for the honesty Repukes, it is refreshing to know at least one more ignorant troll on this forum will admit they are what they are. I an ignorant troll also but I am proud of it. My man Obama could not be where he is without people like us. I too admire a man who can destroy an economy, give free beer, food stamps, cell phones and health care to people like us that never worked or even wanted to, and at the same time send military and financial support to terrorist organizations. He is our hero, our idol and the symbol of all the combined ignorance in this country.
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#90698 Mar 28, 2013
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>Uhhh they did impeach Nixon dummy.
Nope, wrong again.
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#90699 Mar 28, 2013
MeMyselfandEyeUSA wrote:
<quoted text>
About the Gulf of Tonkin
"It was an incident in the Tonkin Gulf that enabled Johnson to justify his actions. This occurred in August 1964, when the American warships the U.S.S. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox were patrolling in interna- tional waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. Johnson went on national television to tell the Ameri- can people that the North Vietnamese had torpedoed the ships without provocation. The Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964 provided President Johnson the authority to vastly increase the U.S. commitment to the war.
In reality, the American ships were electronically monitoring attacks by South Vietnam, and the details of the event were less clear than Johnson made them seem. The captain of the Maddox, John Herrick, sent the following message to Washington soon after it occurred:“Review of action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects on radar and overeager sonar men may have accounted for many reports. No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken”(Moise, 1996). Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara wanted to retaliate, and while they did not completely lie to the American people, they
A peaceful anti-Vietnam War dem- onstrator holds up a flower to armed soldiers protecting the perimeter of the Pentagon.
bow11111_04_c04_189-256.indd 244 6/10/11 8:23 AM
CHAPTER 4Section 4.7 Vietnam: A Nation Divided (1963–1974)
selected the evidence to make the best case for war. The result was the Tonkin Gulf Resolu- tion, passed in the House by 416 to 0 and in the Senate by 88 to 2. It granted the president the authority to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” in Southeast Asia (Williams, 1989)"
American History
Wiki does not mentioned the whole truth.

It omits certain facts from time to time.

Even Generals know what happened in Vietnam.

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General Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo

I think the first mistake that was made was misjudging the success of containment. I heard the president say, not too long ago, I believe it was with the interview with Tim Russert that ... I'm not sure ... but at some point I heard him say that "containment did not work." That's not true.

So to say containment didn't work, I think is not only wrong from the experiences we had then, but the proof is in the pudding, in what kind of military our troops faced when we went in there.

The third mistake, I think was one we repeated from Vietnam, we had to create a false rationale for going in to get public support. The books were cooked, in my mind. The intelligence was not there. I testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee one month before the war, and Senator Lugar asked me: "General Zinni, do you feel the threat from Saddam Hussein is imminent?" I said: "No, not at all. It was not an imminent threat. Not even close. Not grave, gathering, imminent, serious, severe, mildly upsetting, none of those."
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm...
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#90700 Mar 28, 2013
MeMyselfandEyeUSA wrote:
<quoted text>
About the Gulf of Tonkin
"It was an incident in the Tonkin Gulf that enabled Johnson to justify his actions. This occurred in August 1964, when the American warships the U.S.S. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox were patrolling in interna- tional waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. Johnson went on national television to tell the Ameri- can people that the North Vietnamese had torpedoed the ships without provocation. The Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964 provided President Johnson the authority to vastly increase the U.S. commitment to the war.
many reports. No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken”(Moise, 1996). Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara wanted to retaliate, and while they did not completely lie to the American people, they
A peaceful anti-Vietnam War dem- onstrator holds up a flower to armed soldiers protecting the perimeter of the Pentagon.
bow11111_04_c04_189-256.indd 244 6/10/11 8:23 AM
CHAPTER 4Section 4.7 Vietnam: A Nation Divided (1963–1974)
selected the evidence to make the best case for war. The result was the Tonkin Gulf Resolu- tion, passed in the House by 416 to 0 and in the Senate by 88 to 2. It granted the president the authority to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” in Southeast Asia (Williams, 1989)"
American History
Gen. Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo

The sixth mistake, and maybe the biggest one, was propping up and trusting the exiles, the infamous "Gucci Guerillas" from London. We bought into their intelligence reports. To the credit of the CIA, they didn't buy into it, so I guess the Defense Department created its own boutique intelligence agency to vet them. And we ended up with a group that fed us bad information. That led us to believe that we would be welcomed with flowers in the streets; that led us to believe that this would be a cakewalk.

When I testified before Congress in 1998, after a grilling from Senator McCain and all those wonderful senators supported the Iraqi Liberation Act, and I told them that these guys are not credible and they are going to lead us into something they we will regret. At that time, they were pushing a plan that Central Command would supply air support and special forces, and we would put it into Iraq, and they would pied piper their way up to Baghdad and the whole place would fall apart. This plan was created by two senate staffers and a retired General. I happened to be the commander of central command, nobody bothered to ask me about how my troops would be used. And they were a little bit upset about me being upset about this.

These exiles did not have credibility inside the country or in the region. Not only did they not have credibility, it was clear that the information they were providing us many times was not correct and accurate. We believed in them. We also brought them in with us and deemed them into the governing council and the reception by Iraqis has been, to say the least, has not been great.

==========
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, 40 Years Later
Flawed Intelligence and the Decision for War in Vietnam
http://tinyurl.com/nvkph
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132...

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General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
http://tinyurl.com/ymngms
&eu rl=

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General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
Iraq Quagmire: That, George Bush, knew!
http://tinyurl.com/2q9ex6
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Mar 13

Winchester, Ky.

#90701 Mar 28, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Gen. Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo
The sixth mistake, and maybe the biggest one, was propping up and trusting the exiles, the infamous "Gucci Guerillas" from London. We bought into their intelligence reports. To the credit of the CIA, they didn't buy into it, so I guess the Defense Department created its own boutique intelligence agency to vet them. And we ended up with a group that fed us bad information. That led us to believe that we would be welcomed with flowers in the streets; that led us to believe that this would be a cakewalk.
When I testified before Congress in 1998, after a grilling from Senator McCain and all those wonderful senators supported the Iraqi Liberation Act, and I told them that these guys are not credible and they are going to lead us into something they we will regret. At that time, they were pushing a plan that Central Command would supply air support and special forces, and we would put it into Iraq, and they would pied piper their way up to Baghdad and the whole place would fall apart. This plan was created by two senate staffers and a retired General. I happened to be the commander of central command, nobody bothered to ask me about how my troops would be used. And they were a little bit upset about me being upset about this.
These exiles did not have credibility inside the country or in the region. Not only did they not have credibility, it was clear that the information they were providing us many times was not correct and accurate. We believed in them. We also brought them in with us and deemed them into the governing council and the reception by Iraqis has been, to say the least, has not been great.
==========
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, 40 Years Later
Flawed Intelligence and the Decision for War in Vietnam
http://tinyurl.com/nvkph
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132...
------
General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
http://tinyurl.com/ymngms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =jteZR77knz4XX&eurl=
-------
General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
Iraq Quagmire: That, George Bush, knew!
http://tinyurl.com/2q9ex6
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thanks for sharing, my info came from a history book I bought from a U.K. Student a couple of summers ago. I don't trust wiki's because anyone can edit them just by registering.
Primary source is a first hand account from the person telling the story. Secondary are those accounts made later by other peoples interpretation. When the discussion was going on I doubt 'Stormin Normin' was there, he may have been in Vietnam (he did pull two tours of duty there). The decision was no doubt based on erroneous information, much like our decision to wage war on Saddam Hussein.
When a man punches you from behind, you turn and punch the closest to you right? I understand those decisions, even if I disagree with them. Hind sight is 20/20

My info comes from books, I have a large library. I dropped out of school after 8th grade, I am self educated by reading EVERYTHING I can buy or borrow. I am registered Independent because I believe we give to much authority to any one party when we assign to one side of a ballot.

MeMyselfandEyeUSA
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90702 Mar 28, 2013
OZombies wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in God and America the beautiful!
I know you do.

The ones who blaspheme against GOD, their fate is waiting.
breaker ten four

AOL

#90703 Mar 28, 2013
W was wrong about the seconed war in iraq
he should have kept sadom alive ,... with limited power ,.. just like we did in the first gulf war

we could use ole sadom back again ,..
to keep iran in check ,..
sadom would stomp iran
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90704 Mar 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
'FREE' BREAST IMPLANTS WHILE PATIENTS STARVE
Saga of 'distressed' flat-chested woman a preview of Obamacare?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/free-breast-implan...
Sick bunch of people in this world.

You are right, this is a preview of Obamacare.

Healthcare Bill
Section 1233
H. R. 3200
ADVANCED Care Planning
Death Panels
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90705 Mar 28, 2013
Jay wrote:
Anybody know in what interest *of the American people or the country* this thip was for? Or just another nice million dollar get-away for the vice and his entourage?
**********
The Truth:
Vice President Biden and his entourage travelled to London and Paris in February 2013 where they stayed in costly five star hotels. This according to a March 22, 2013 article by ABC News that said that the State Department contracts for the Hyatt Regency London tabulated to $459,338.65 and the Hotel Intercontinental Paris Le Grand's tab was $585,000.50.
The article also said, "While the figure may be eye-popping, a State Department official said these costs are par for the course in high-level international trips as they also include accommodations for staff, security details and military personnel."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/BIDEN-...
All expense paid trip for Biden (he is Catholic) to see the Pope.

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