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Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#90699 Mar 28, 2013
MeMyselfandEyeUSA wrote:
<quoted text>
About the Gulf of Tonkin
"It was an incident in the Tonkin Gulf that enabled Johnson to justify his actions. This occurred in August 1964, when the American warships the U.S.S. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox were patrolling in interna- tional waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. Johnson went on national television to tell the Ameri- can people that the North Vietnamese had torpedoed the ships without provocation. The Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964 provided President Johnson the authority to vastly increase the U.S. commitment to the war.
In reality, the American ships were electronically monitoring attacks by South Vietnam, and the details of the event were less clear than Johnson made them seem. The captain of the Maddox, John Herrick, sent the following message to Washington soon after it occurred:“Review of action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects on radar and overeager sonar men may have accounted for many reports. No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken”(Moise, 1996). Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara wanted to retaliate, and while they did not completely lie to the American people, they
A peaceful anti-Vietnam War dem- onstrator holds up a flower to armed soldiers protecting the perimeter of the Pentagon.
bow11111_04_c04_189-256.indd 244 6/10/11 8:23 AM
CHAPTER 4Section 4.7 Vietnam: A Nation Divided (1963–1974)
selected the evidence to make the best case for war. The result was the Tonkin Gulf Resolu- tion, passed in the House by 416 to 0 and in the Senate by 88 to 2. It granted the president the authority to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” in Southeast Asia (Williams, 1989)"
American History
Wiki does not mentioned the whole truth.

It omits certain facts from time to time.

Even Generals know what happened in Vietnam.

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General Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo

I think the first mistake that was made was misjudging the success of containment. I heard the president say, not too long ago, I believe it was with the interview with Tim Russert that ... I'm not sure ... but at some point I heard him say that "containment did not work." That's not true.

So to say containment didn't work, I think is not only wrong from the experiences we had then, but the proof is in the pudding, in what kind of military our troops faced when we went in there.

The third mistake, I think was one we repeated from Vietnam, we had to create a false rationale for going in to get public support. The books were cooked, in my mind. The intelligence was not there. I testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee one month before the war, and Senator Lugar asked me: "General Zinni, do you feel the threat from Saddam Hussein is imminent?" I said: "No, not at all. It was not an imminent threat. Not even close. Not grave, gathering, imminent, serious, severe, mildly upsetting, none of those."
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm...
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#90700 Mar 28, 2013
MeMyselfandEyeUSA wrote:
<quoted text>
About the Gulf of Tonkin
"It was an incident in the Tonkin Gulf that enabled Johnson to justify his actions. This occurred in August 1964, when the American warships the U.S.S. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox were patrolling in interna- tional waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. Johnson went on national television to tell the Ameri- can people that the North Vietnamese had torpedoed the ships without provocation. The Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964 provided President Johnson the authority to vastly increase the U.S. commitment to the war.
many reports. No actual visual sightings by Maddox. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken”(Moise, 1996). Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara wanted to retaliate, and while they did not completely lie to the American people, they
A peaceful anti-Vietnam War dem- onstrator holds up a flower to armed soldiers protecting the perimeter of the Pentagon.
bow11111_04_c04_189-256.indd 244 6/10/11 8:23 AM
CHAPTER 4Section 4.7 Vietnam: A Nation Divided (1963–1974)
selected the evidence to make the best case for war. The result was the Tonkin Gulf Resolu- tion, passed in the House by 416 to 0 and in the Senate by 88 to 2. It granted the president the authority to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” in Southeast Asia (Williams, 1989)"
American History
Gen. Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo

The sixth mistake, and maybe the biggest one, was propping up and trusting the exiles, the infamous "Gucci Guerillas" from London. We bought into their intelligence reports. To the credit of the CIA, they didn't buy into it, so I guess the Defense Department created its own boutique intelligence agency to vet them. And we ended up with a group that fed us bad information. That led us to believe that we would be welcomed with flowers in the streets; that led us to believe that this would be a cakewalk.

When I testified before Congress in 1998, after a grilling from Senator McCain and all those wonderful senators supported the Iraqi Liberation Act, and I told them that these guys are not credible and they are going to lead us into something they we will regret. At that time, they were pushing a plan that Central Command would supply air support and special forces, and we would put it into Iraq, and they would pied piper their way up to Baghdad and the whole place would fall apart. This plan was created by two senate staffers and a retired General. I happened to be the commander of central command, nobody bothered to ask me about how my troops would be used. And they were a little bit upset about me being upset about this.

These exiles did not have credibility inside the country or in the region. Not only did they not have credibility, it was clear that the information they were providing us many times was not correct and accurate. We believed in them. We also brought them in with us and deemed them into the governing council and the reception by Iraqis has been, to say the least, has not been great.

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The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, 40 Years Later
Flawed Intelligence and the Decision for War in Vietnam
http://tinyurl.com/nvkph
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132...

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General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
http://tinyurl.com/ymngms
&eu rl=

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General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
Iraq Quagmire: That, George Bush, knew!
http://tinyurl.com/2q9ex6
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Mar 13

Winchester, Ky.

#90701 Mar 28, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Gen. Anthony Zinni, USMC,(Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo
The sixth mistake, and maybe the biggest one, was propping up and trusting the exiles, the infamous "Gucci Guerillas" from London. We bought into their intelligence reports. To the credit of the CIA, they didn't buy into it, so I guess the Defense Department created its own boutique intelligence agency to vet them. And we ended up with a group that fed us bad information. That led us to believe that we would be welcomed with flowers in the streets; that led us to believe that this would be a cakewalk.
When I testified before Congress in 1998, after a grilling from Senator McCain and all those wonderful senators supported the Iraqi Liberation Act, and I told them that these guys are not credible and they are going to lead us into something they we will regret. At that time, they were pushing a plan that Central Command would supply air support and special forces, and we would put it into Iraq, and they would pied piper their way up to Baghdad and the whole place would fall apart. This plan was created by two senate staffers and a retired General. I happened to be the commander of central command, nobody bothered to ask me about how my troops would be used. And they were a little bit upset about me being upset about this.
These exiles did not have credibility inside the country or in the region. Not only did they not have credibility, it was clear that the information they were providing us many times was not correct and accurate. We believed in them. We also brought them in with us and deemed them into the governing council and the reception by Iraqis has been, to say the least, has not been great.
==========
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, 40 Years Later
Flawed Intelligence and the Decision for War in Vietnam
http://tinyurl.com/nvkph
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132...
------
General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
http://tinyurl.com/ymngms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =jteZR77knz4XX&eurl=
-------
General Norman Schwartzkopf : Iraq Quagmire For USA
Iraq Quagmire: That, George Bush, knew!
http://tinyurl.com/2q9ex6
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thanks for sharing, my info came from a history book I bought from a U.K. Student a couple of summers ago. I don't trust wiki's because anyone can edit them just by registering.
Primary source is a first hand account from the person telling the story. Secondary are those accounts made later by other peoples interpretation. When the discussion was going on I doubt 'Stormin Normin' was there, he may have been in Vietnam (he did pull two tours of duty there). The decision was no doubt based on erroneous information, much like our decision to wage war on Saddam Hussein.
When a man punches you from behind, you turn and punch the closest to you right? I understand those decisions, even if I disagree with them. Hind sight is 20/20

My info comes from books, I have a large library. I dropped out of school after 8th grade, I am self educated by reading EVERYTHING I can buy or borrow. I am registered Independent because I believe we give to much authority to any one party when we assign to one side of a ballot.

MeMyselfandEyeUSA
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90702 Mar 28, 2013
OZombies wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in God and America the beautiful!
I know you do.

The ones who blaspheme against GOD, their fate is waiting.
breaker ten four

AOL

#90703 Mar 28, 2013
W was wrong about the seconed war in iraq
he should have kept sadom alive ,... with limited power ,.. just like we did in the first gulf war

we could use ole sadom back again ,..
to keep iran in check ,..
sadom would stomp iran
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90704 Mar 28, 2013
American Lady wrote:
'FREE' BREAST IMPLANTS WHILE PATIENTS STARVE
Saga of 'distressed' flat-chested woman a preview of Obamacare?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/free-breast-implan...
Sick bunch of people in this world.

You are right, this is a preview of Obamacare.

Healthcare Bill
Section 1233
H. R. 3200
ADVANCED Care Planning
Death Panels
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90705 Mar 28, 2013
Jay wrote:
Anybody know in what interest *of the American people or the country* this thip was for? Or just another nice million dollar get-away for the vice and his entourage?
**********
The Truth:
Vice President Biden and his entourage travelled to London and Paris in February 2013 where they stayed in costly five star hotels. This according to a March 22, 2013 article by ABC News that said that the State Department contracts for the Hyatt Regency London tabulated to $459,338.65 and the Hotel Intercontinental Paris Le Grand's tab was $585,000.50.
The article also said, "While the figure may be eye-popping, a State Department official said these costs are par for the course in high-level international trips as they also include accommodations for staff, security details and military personnel."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/BIDEN-...
All expense paid trip for Biden (he is Catholic) to see the Pope.
breaker ten four

AOL

#90706 Mar 28, 2013
From 2009 to 2013, the U.S. government has spent $1,188,382 on puppetry-related expenses. Some of the expenses include puppet shows for kids on educational topics. Others include puppet-based research. In 2010, the taxpayer-funded National Science Foundation awarded the University of Central Florida a $199,754 research grant for “Efficient Control and Transmission of Digital Puppetry.”

The UCF website explains the project thusly:

The purpose of this project is to improve the quality of experiences that can be provided by the puppeteering paradigm (more varied behaviors, enhanced quality of service, reduced latency), while simultaneously reducing the barrier to entry (cost and complexity of set-up, cognitive load on puppeteer, need for extensive training).

In February 2013, the taxpayer-funded National Endowment for the Arts invested $25,000 into something called “In the Heart of the Beast Puppet and Mask,” a Minneapolis project that will “support the development of a new work by puppetry artists in the Sampo Box Program.”

In 2009, tax dollars also funded research involving “puppet choreography and automated marionettes” at Northwestern University to the tune of $358,410
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90707 Mar 28, 2013
Obama Bin Laden says, "I just gave Monsanta new special privileges while America debated Gay Marriage."

"Even the Libertarians were distracted? Not bad."

Anyone not familiar with Monsanta Corp., this is just a few facts. This company gross billions yearly. They have invented a new technique, "a genetically proven seed" which can only be used once by farmers.

This way, our gov. controls the growth of crops. Seeds can be utilized only once and must be purchased every year, thus, increasing spenditures, decreasing profits and controlling the amt. of crops to be grown.

Otherwords: Our gov. will control what a person consumes in food.

P.S. this company also makes herbicides.......deadly herbicides.
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90708 Mar 28, 2013
LIBERAL LOGIC101

When White Democrats criticize Black Republicans---its about the issues.

When White Republicans criticize Black Democrats---its racism.
mockingbird

United States

#90709 Mar 28, 2013
The birds are singing not for gold or fame.
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90710 Mar 28, 2013
PERSPECTIVE

There's no such thing as a good or bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing.

A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guy.
Repukes

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#90711 Mar 28, 2013
What are all you fright wingers whining about. Obama is a great leader and will fix every thing like he has promised. Even though I never worked does not mean I can not voice my opinion though. I do love the food stamps, free beer, cable television and health care. I know I am ignorant but that should not stop me from trying to act smart. I love my ten cats.
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90712 Mar 28, 2013
Michelle (Jezebel) Obama presents Oscar for Argo, Ben Affleck's movie about the sucessful rescue of 6 Americans in Iran in 1979.

How about we make a movie about YOUR husband's rescue of our ambassadors in Benghazi, Michelle?
Reality

Frankfort, KY

#90713 Mar 28, 2013
Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the National Debt.
Uncle Tab

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#90714 Mar 28, 2013
Thanks for agreeing with me Repukes. We ignorant trolls must stick together. These fright wingers out smart us too much so we must gang up on them when we can. I for one am tired of being a loser troll and ignorant. I have decided to study for my GED then use my free government benefits for being mentally handicapped and go back to school and learn how to cook. Sitting on the couch watching soap operas for the past 30 years really rotted both my brain and my teeth. As soon as Obama care takes full effect I am going to get a new set of teeth and a treadmill. Just because we are ignorant does not mean we have to be unhappy.
Uncle Tab

Anonymous Proxy

#90715 Mar 28, 2013
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>Uhhh they did impeach Nixon dummy.
Better think before you post wtf. You are one of us. An ignorant hick troll and what you just posted is incorrect. Nixon was not impeached. He resigned. You are confusing Nixon with Elvis. He was impeached by a liberal congress for giving away his money to poor people before congress could confiscate it for welfare payments. Get with the program you ignorant hick.
Repukes

Anonymous Proxy

#90716 Mar 28, 2013
Good job Uncle Tab. We morons must stick together before we get over run by the smart people. There is power in numbers and the more ignorant people like you and I that are on food stamps the longer we can keep our politicans in there. I still plan on coming out of the closet. How about you?
Uncle Tab

Anonymous Proxy

#90717 Mar 28, 2013
Yes, I do plan on coming out of the closet. Probably by tomorrow. I just have to discuss it further with my cats.
Uncle Tab

United States

#90718 Mar 28, 2013
Reality wrote:
Obama Bin Laden says, "I just gave Monsanta new special privileges while America debated Gay Marriage."
"Even the Libertarians were distracted? Not bad."
Anyone not familiar with Monsanta Corp., this is just a few facts. This company gross billions yearly. They have invented a new technique, "a genetically proven seed" which can only be used once by farmers.
This way, our gov. controls the growth of crops. Seeds can be utilized only once and must be purchased every year, thus, increasing spenditures, decreasing profits and controlling the amt. of crops to be grown.
Otherwords: Our gov. will control what a person consumes in food.
P.S. this company also makes herbicides.......deadly herbicides.
http://m.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/09...

Imagine that!!

I'm very happy this poster is too stupid to do her own research when she's told to post something trying to make Obama bad.

Mitt Hussain Romney is elbow deep in this company.

Poor dumb republican doesn't have a clue making false quotes about someone.

I've owned an ignorant low education FalseNews watcher yet again.

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