Open carry of a handgun
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#22 May 19, 2010
Quantummist wrote:
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Then maybe you should move to San Fransisco or NY.. What I don't understand is why if your views are as you seem to portray you live in an area where the vast Majority find those view abhorrent... I have lived many places and even lived a year in Seattle.. I found the local mind set of the Majority Abhorrent so I gave up a rather good position and moved to an area that more fit my world view. There is not enough money to get me to live in San Fransisco or NY .. So the question is what keeps you in an area where Your world view is thought to be abhorrent by the Majority... there has to be a reason ...
I don't think "open carry" is a Majority view in this area.

As far as world view the Majority of the people in America do not support the Iraq war. When you leaving?

So the question is what keeps you in an area where reigious (an atheist living in the bible belt telling me I should move because of the "view the Majority of the people") view is thought to be abhorrent by the Majority... there has to be a reason .
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#23 May 19, 2010
Top 10 Most/Least Religious States in the Countr:

http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads...

So Vermont is looking good for you.
ProudlyArmed

Winchester, KY

#24 May 19, 2010
Shirley Ujest wrote:
Top 10 Most/Least Religious States in the Countr:
http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads...
So Vermont is looking good for you.
So far you are the only one that thinks another right should be takin away from the American people.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#25 May 19, 2010
Shirley Ujest wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think "open carry" is a Majority view in this area.
As far as world view the Majority of the people in America do not support the Iraq war. When you leaving?
So the question is what keeps you in an area where reigious (an atheist living in the bible belt telling me I should move because of the "view the Majority of the people") view is thought to be abhorrent by the Majority... there has to be a reason .
And there's the rub... You didn't think before you posted.. Open Carry is in fact the Majority View as it was voted on and passed by a large majority when passed years ago.. That does not mean that everyone that agrees that Open Carry be the Law of the land will open carry or even concealed carry.. But the reason for Open Carry was to allow Anyone allowed to own a hand gun to carry it without permit because the Majority thought it was a valid choice...

Second.. I asked why you wish to live in an area that from your posts you find most all aspects of the Majorities Value system abhorrent.... I on the other hand find that the local value systems fit my views very well... While I may not agree with religious views I do absolutely agree with those that do believe that use those beliefs to be good people and help those they come across, which is the Majority in these parts. You see I have no issue with Believers as most I cross paths with help their neighbor, try not to hurt others, work hard and seek the same out of life as I do.. Most understand that Socialism is only a stepping stone to totalitarian rule and think too many have become a dependent class on a Nationalist based government and should return to the Federalist based government that has given us the lifestyle we have today. The Majority in this area understand that its this Federalist view that has given even the poorest of the poor a lifestyle that many countries would call well off.. What we call Poverty Level has people living under a roof, have a TV or 2, a Microwave, a car, cloths and food... where around the world Poverty Level means living in a hut, drinking contaminated water and considering the family dog a feast...

So I have no reason to move from an area where the Majority values are the same as my Majority of Values.. Where as You live in an area where, from your posts, the Majority Values are at odds with your world view on most every issue.. I was just wondering Why you wish to live in an area that most you come across find you abhorrent...
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#26 May 19, 2010
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
And there's the rub... You didn't think before you posted.. Open Carry is in fact the Majority View as it was voted on and passed by a large majority when passed years ago.. That does not mean that everyone that agrees that Open Carry be the Law of the land will open carry or even concealed carry.. But the reason for Open Carry was to allow Anyone allowed to own a hand gun to carry it without permit because the Majority thought it was a valid choice...
Second.. I asked why you wish to live in an area that from your posts you find most all aspects of the Majorities Value system abhorrent.... I on the other hand find that the local value systems fit my views very well... While I may not agree with religious views I do absolutely agree with those that do believe that use those beliefs to be good people and help those they come across, which is the Majority in these parts. You see I have no issue with Believers as most I cross paths with help their neighbor, try not to hurt others, work hard and seek the same out of life as I do.. Most understand that Socialism is only a stepping stone to totalitarian rule and think too many have become a dependent class on a Nationalist based government and should return to the Federalist based government that has given us the lifestyle we have today. The Majority in this area understand that its this Federalist view that has given even the poorest of the poor a lifestyle that many countries would call well off.. What we call Poverty Level has people living under a roof, have a TV or 2, a Microwave, a car, cloths and food... where around the world Poverty Level means living in a hut, drinking contaminated water and considering the family dog a feast...
So I have no reason to move from an area where the Majority values are the same as my Majority of Values.. Where as You live in an area where, from your posts, the Majority Values are at odds with your world view on most every issue.. I was just wondering Why you wish to live in an area that most you come across find you abhorrent...
I think whether or not you believe in God is WAY more important than "open carry". In fact the most important decision in your life.

I would say the Majority Values are at odds with your view on the most important issue there will ever be.

The Majority would agree.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#27 May 19, 2010
ProudlyArmed wrote:
<quoted text>
So far you are the only one that thinks another right should be takin away from the American people.
What you miss is that many on the left have a completely different view on what is considered a "right".. The general view is that Government should give you your rights and that the Constitution is flawed in that it only dictates what Rights the Government cannot take away and not what "Rights" it can give to you. This has been the view since the 30's when a Second Bill of Rights was proposed. That was an attempt to convert the existing Constitution into a Nationalist controlling document and would have given the Government the Power to Bestow Rights directly on the People.

What is not understood is that when the Government you adore gives you a right, then a Government you abhor can take it away.. Making it not by definition a right in the first place. So from the lefts view any right should be able to be removed by the Government, and Any Right should be able to be bestowed... You see this view when they yell for Freedom of Speech while at the same time attempt to silence opposition. Its what you see when they push for a Right to Housing, a Right to medical care, a Right to whatever an yet will not attempt to codify those Rights by pushing for inclusion as Protected Rights under the Constitution via ratification as they are fully aware the Majority disagrees...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#28 May 19, 2010
Shirley Ujest wrote:
<quoted text>
I think whether or not you believe in God is WAY more important than "open carry". In fact the most important decision in your life.
I would say the Majority Values are at odds with your view on the most important issue there will ever be.
The Majority would agree.
You Think is the operative term.... I think Belief is totally unimportant and what you seem to miss is the Question I asked.. I did not ask why the Majority Allowed you to live around them.. I asked why You would live here.. Yes the Majority would find by view of God a bad thing.. But its My View and if I thought it was Important enough I would move.. I do not think Belief is in the least important so not an issue..
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#29 May 19, 2010
Quantummist wrote:
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I do not think Belief is in the least important so not an issue..
The Majority disagrees in what you think is an issue.
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#30 May 19, 2010
So you're wrong, they are all right and you should move. Its your way of thinking not mine.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#31 May 19, 2010
Shirley Ujest wrote:
So you're wrong, they are all right and you should move. Its your way of thinking not mine.
Then your logic is very faulty.... try rereading my post and maybe after a while you will figure the logic out...
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#32 May 19, 2010
Quantummist wrote:
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Then your logic is very faulty.... try rereading my post and maybe after a while you will figure the logic out...
By your logic you have more reason to move than me. Whether you agree or not is not an issue and doesn't matter acrording to your own logic. In fact its the Majority's most important issue.
ProudlyArmed

Cynthiana, KY

#33 May 19, 2010
Shirley Ujest wrote:
<quoted text>
By your logic you have more reason to move than me. Whether you agree or not is not an issue and doesn't matter acrording to your own logic. In fact its the Majority's most important issue.
I can't wait till the day that reason finally overcomes fantasy. When will people stop depending on a "God" and start depending on themselves. Show me proof of a "God" and I will admit that I am wrong. If you cant prove it then it is your personal belief and nothing more.
ProudlyArmed

Cynthiana, KY

#34 May 19, 2010
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
What you miss is that many on the left have a completely different view on what is considered a "right".. The general view is that Government should give you your rights and that the Constitution is flawed in that it only dictates what Rights the Government cannot take away and not what "Rights" it can give to you. This has been the view since the 30's when a Second Bill of Rights was proposed. That was an attempt to convert the existing Constitution into a Nationalist controlling document and would have given the Government the Power to Bestow Rights directly on the People.
What is not understood is that when the Government you adore gives you a right, then a Government you abhor can take it away.. Making it not by definition a right in the first place. So from the lefts view any right should be able to be removed by the Government, and Any Right should be able to be bestowed... You see this view when they yell for Freedom of Speech while at the same time attempt to silence opposition. Its what you see when they push for a Right to Housing, a Right to medical care, a Right to whatever an yet will not attempt to codify those Rights by pushing for inclusion as Protected Rights under the Constitution via ratification as they are fully aware the Majority disagrees...
Not that I am trying to contradict you, what would you define as being a right? What I get out of this particular post is that people have no rights. Remember, I am looking for clarity and in no way am I trying to belittle you.
ProudlyArmed

Cynthiana, KY

#35 May 19, 2010
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
What you miss is that many on the left have a completely different view on what is considered a "right".. The general view is that Government should give you your rights and that the Constitution is flawed in that it only dictates what Rights the Government cannot take away and not what "Rights" it can give to you. This has been the view since the 30's when a Second Bill of Rights was proposed. That was an attempt to convert the existing Constitution into a Nationalist controlling document and would have given the Government the Power to Bestow Rights directly on the People.
What is not understood is that when the Government you adore gives you a right, then a Government you abhor can take it away.. Making it not by definition a right in the first place. So from the lefts view any right should be able to be removed by the Government, and Any Right should be able to be bestowed... You see this view when they yell for Freedom of Speech while at the same time attempt to silence opposition. Its what you see when they push for a Right to Housing, a Right to medical care, a Right to whatever an yet will not attempt to codify those Rights by pushing for inclusion as Protected Rights under the Constitution via ratification as they are fully aware the Majority disagrees...
One last thought, maybe I should have said constitutional right, because the right to arm oneselve is in the US and KY constition.
Liberal

United States

#36 May 19, 2010
I think diversity is one of the things that makes our country a better place to live.If every person felt the same,believed the same or had the same vision for the future would this still be considered freedom?A lot of people ,not all but a signifacant amount cant make it in the city after being born and raised here or any other small town simply because they cant get along with people from a different culture.The more exposure you have to different expeirences and lifstyles the better you can adapt to change
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#37 May 19, 2010
ProudlyArmed wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't wait till the day that reason finally overcomes fantasy. When will people stop depending on a "God" and start depending on themselves. Show me proof of a "God" and I will admit that I am wrong. If you cant prove it then it is your personal belief and nothing more.
I am not here to prove there is a God. I can't. I am here to say you shouldn't have to move because you don't believe in God.
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#38 May 19, 2010
.....or no open carry
ProudlyArmed

Cynthiana, KY

#39 May 19, 2010
Shirley Ujest wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not here to prove there is a God. I can't. I am here to say you shouldn't have to move because you don't believe in God.
Oh, I agree then. You shouldn't have to move because of your beliefs.

One more thing, can you explain the root for your loathing of fire arms. What kills more people per year, car wrecks or gunfire? I can't understand why people want to take our guns and not our cars.
Shirley Ujest

Stanford, KY

#40 May 19, 2010
ProudlyArmed wrote:
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the root for your loathing of fire arms.
I love firearms. I just don't trust the people that would be carrying them. Thats all.

.....you think the goverment can monitor this? How many old people shouldn't be driving?
Geek

Mount Vernon, KY

#41 May 19, 2010
ProudlyArmed wrote:
You guys fail to understand what I am asking. I understand that you have the upperhand when carrying concealed. What I am wondering is if the crime rate would drop if everyone that carried done it openly.
As far as police getting shot, think about this. Someone has just robbed a store. The cops show up and he fights back because he has allready commited a crime and is looking at imprisonment if caught. If he had looked in the store before he robbed it and saw that most were armed he would have backed out no harm no foul.
*The reason I am asking is the fact that over the last year there have been many misunderstandings on the part of LEOs concerning the legality of open carry in KY. Their are also many local level laws that are unconstitutional and that directly violate state law concerning firearms, both open acnd concealed. I want to know if their are enough supporters in this area to get some of the problems takin care of.
I haven't heard of any misunderstandings about gun rights in this area please explain. LEO'S in this area are well aware of our gun rights.
You have a God given right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution guarantees it. It's not a law it's a right.
LEO's in this area know that.
You really need to read the Ky Gun Laws.Especially KY'S Preemptive law.
KRS 65.870 Local firearms control ordinances prohibited.
No city, county or urban-county government may occupy any part of the field of
regulation of the transfer, ownership, possession, carrying or transportation of
firearms, ammunition, or components of firearms or combination thereof.
Effective: July 13, 1984

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