“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#102 Dec 25, 2012
Taking a look at the Whitley County Jail Tracker it looks like Son was following in Dad's foot prints... Both have the same name but the dad has a middle initial of C... Both have multiple arrests for dope, theft, ID theft, along with long lists of felonies...

“Not afraid to stand alone.”

Since: Jun 09

Flat Lick Ky.

#103 Dec 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree... The Guy in this wreck, David Vanderpool has a long record in Whitley County of Theft, dope, drunk, violence with over a dozen arrests with multiple felonies ... I don't think a county being wet or dry had any effect on his actions... But a 3 Strikes and your in prison for Life would have....
We need more "Hanging" Judges in the court system... Take the case of the woman that sold her baby for a truck a few months ago... She was caught with Meth, precursors for meth, and traded her baby for a pick up truck.... She received 180 days sentence and was given credit for time served so she will be released in a couple of weeks...
Jails are running over full,thats why. I dont have an answer other than bring back the chain gangs and put their asses to work.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#104 Dec 25, 2012
Limbertwig wrote:
<quoted text>Jails are running over full,thats why. I dont have an answer other than bring back the chain gangs and put their asses to work.
How about this... It costs Billions each year to operate US Federal Prisons... Shut them down... Take the money and follow England's lead, We buy an Island about the size of say Granada (Faulklands) and drop them off with a tent and a pocket knife... That's about what England did in Australia and they unloaded the majority of the bad guys in short order...

An Island would be much cheaper.. Might even fly over and drop a care package now and then...

Have a 3 times a felon and win a free trip to "Freedom Island"... Where you get the freedom to work with other like minded people that have opted for the Freedom Island experience to form your own society have ever you agree.... Be able to learn new trades such as farming, Hunting & Gathering, Self Defense, escape and evasion, natural medicines ect...
myths

Georgetown, KY

#105 Dec 25, 2012
Personal Choices wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, because there is no other place to get alcohol... right? Making a county dry (or remaining dry) has nothing to do with the ability to get alcohol! If a person wants to drink, they are going to drink! A wet county is not to blame for a drunken driver... the drunken driver is responsible for getting behind the wheel of a car! Plus, ever heard of bootleggers? Or, do you think that possibly someone could drive to a "wet" county and buy alcohol legally? I THINK SO!
All making a county wet does is provide jobs (which are much needed), saves a person seeking alcohol such a long drive to get it (in which they are further from Home and may to decide to go ahead and drink on the way), put bootleggers out of business, etc. If alcohol was more accessable or the county was made "wet", a person could walk to the store and get it, instead of driving miles and miles!
The availability of alcohol does not make a person drink and drive! A person makes that decision! It is a personal (and stupid, selfish and careless) choice!
I'm not taking up for a driver that has drank one single drop... However, taking that drink was a personal choice and had nothing to do with the fact that now you can drive 15-20 minutes to get it! Again, maybe if it were more available here, a person wouldn't even have to drive that far to get it and would wait to open it!
By the way, statistics show that more Alcohol related driving accidents happen in "dry" counties!
I know this will be a factor in my reply, so I'll go ahead and answer for you... Yes, I am a Christian and am just as sincere to the innocent families that are affected by these types of things. It is horrible, unfathomable, rediculous and unacceptable! My heart goes out to all of those involved! May God be with them in this their time of need! I've prayed my heart out, and could not imagine! God knows that! It has really pulled on my heart, and I did not even know a single person involved. I did see one of the vehicles involved on my way Home! But that is neither here nor there! God knows I sympathize while empathizing... and there is a difference!
Again, in the conclusion... Alcohol is legal. Maybe not for sale in this county, but it is legal! Drinking and driving was a choice! Availability... NOTHING to do with it when it is already in "our" "dry" county!
Personal choices, personal choices, personal choices!
I agree with some of your conclusions. However some of your statements are wrong and that is due to myths and so forth. Where did you get your numbers from that more dui related accidents happen in dry counties? Please show me a link and not just your own observations.

The only jobs that are provided by alcohol are usually in the restaurant industry. Which I do like places such as Applebees and so forth. So that does help the community. As far as being more available would prevent more DUIs that is a myth as well. Then there is the old "drinking on the way" myth. Fact is most people buying carry out alcohol are responsible. The people that are going to drink and drive are going to do that regardless. Some people drink at home and decide to drive wherever. An alcoholic is going to drive drunk wherever he gets it from. The "drink on the way" is from "wet" proponents. Unfortunately this tragedy would happen whether this guy drove 1 mile to get his alcohol or 45 miles.
myths

Georgetown, KY

#106 Dec 25, 2012
The old "drink on the drive" home implies that most people buying beer are alcoholics. If you can not wait 20 minutes before drinking you truely are a sick person.

“Not afraid to stand alone.”

Since: Jun 09

Flat Lick Ky.

#107 Dec 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
How about this... It costs Billions each year to operate US Federal Prisons... Shut them down... Take the money and follow England's lead, We buy an Island about the size of say Granada (Faulklands) and drop them off with a tent and a pocket knife... That's about what England did in Australia and they unloaded the majority of the bad guys in short order...
An Island would be much cheaper.. Might even fly over and drop a care package now and then...
Have a 3 times a felon and win a free trip to "Freedom Island"... Where you get the freedom to work with other like minded people that have opted for the Freedom Island experience to form your own society have ever you agree.... Be able to learn new trades such as farming, Hunting & Gathering, Self Defense, escape and evasion, natural medicines ect...
I only see one problem with your idea. How would we keep them from excapeing?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#108 Dec 25, 2012
Limbertwig wrote:
<quoted text>I only see one problem with your idea. How would we keep them from excapeing?
http://youtu.be/rYNbaYL-puQ

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#109 Dec 25, 2012
Limbertwig wrote:
<quoted text>I only see one problem with your idea. How would we keep them from excapeing?
http://youtu.be/Aazum9YhuU0

“Not afraid to stand alone.”

Since: Jun 09

Flat Lick Ky.

#110 Dec 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
Still take a lot of manpower to guard that big of an island against outside help. But I like the way you think. ""Good plan""
Concerned

Flat Lick, KY

#111 Dec 25, 2012
My prayer's go out to the all family members of these persons involved. God Bless all of you, comfort and console you in your time of this great loss.
Panther Nation

Hodgenville, KY

#112 Dec 25, 2012
Personal Choices wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, because there is no other place to get alcohol... right? Making a county dry (or remaining dry) has nothing to do with the ability to get alcohol! If a person wants to drink, they are going to drink! A wet county is not to blame for a drunken driver... the drunken driver is responsible for getting behind the wheel of a car! Plus, ever heard of bootleggers? Or, do you think that possibly someone could drive to a "wet" county and buy alcohol legally? I THINK SO!
All making a county wet does is provide jobs (which are much needed), saves a person seeking alcohol such a long drive to get it (in which they are further from Home and may to decide to go ahead and drink on the way), put bootleggers out of business, etc. If alcohol was more accessable or the county was made "wet", a person could walk to the store and get it, instead of driving miles and miles!
The availability of alcohol does not make a person drink and drive! A person makes that decision! It is a personal (and stupid, selfish and careless) choice!
I'm not taking up for a driver that has drank one single drop... However, taking that drink was a personal choice and had nothing to do with the fact that now you can drive 15-20 minutes to get it! Again, maybe if it were more available here, a person wouldn't even have to drive that far to get it and would wait to open it!
By the way, statistics show that more Alcohol related driving accidents happen in "dry" counties!
I know this will be a factor in my reply, so I'll go ahead and answer for you... Yes, I am a Christian and am just as sincere to the innocent families that are affected by these types of things. It is horrible, unfathomable, rediculous and unacceptable! My heart goes out to all of those involved! May God be with them in this their time of need! I've prayed my heart out, and could not imagine! God knows that! It has really pulled on my heart, and I did not even know a single person involved. I did see one of the vehicles involved on my way Home! But that is neither here nor there! God knows I sympathize while empathizing... and there is a difference!
Again, in the conclusion... Alcohol is legal. Maybe not for sale in this county, but it is legal! Drinking and driving was a choice! Availability... NOTHING to do with it when it is already in "our" "dry" county!
Personal choices, personal choices, personal choices!
I have to agree its not whether a county is wet or dry its a matter of illegal sales or legal sales and legal sales are atleast that legal!I dont drink but i think it is someones personal choice if they do and that should be their right!Trying to blame alchohol for car accidents is like trying to blame guns for shootings It all comes down to alcohol does not drink its self and guns dont shoot themselves so that only leaves people to blame!
how to see

Whitley City, KY

#113 Dec 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
Taking a look at the Whitley County Jail Tracker it looks like Son was following in Dad's foot prints... Both have the same name but the dad has a middle initial of C... Both have multiple arrests for dope, theft, ID theft, along with long lists of felonies...
how can I see the ones realeased, all I see are the current ones in jail now, how do I find the past ones?? Please tell me,
thank you
Hmm

Dyer, TN

#114 Dec 25, 2012
how to see wrote:
<quoted text>
how can I see the ones realeased, all I see are the current ones in jail now, how do I find the past ones?? Please tell me,
thank you
drop down box right before the area you type in the name has the option of choosing released inmates
joseph

United States

#115 Dec 25, 2012
Limbertwig wrote:
<quoted text>Jails are running over full,thats why. I dont have an answer other than bring back the chain gangs and put their asses to work.
I agree with you,most of the people that is in jail are to sorry to work.I think a work farm would do wonders.I believe their would be less crime.
Caldwells

Pineville, KY

#116 Dec 25, 2012
I am curious if the caldwells that were sadly taken from us are any relation to my close
Friends Ryan and Donavn and Brittany Caldwell...??? We all grew up together but havnt heard from them in a few weeks with the holidays. They were from Harlan and had family still there...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#117 Dec 25, 2012
how to see wrote:
<quoted text>
how can I see the ones realeased, all I see are the current ones in jail now, how do I find the past ones?? Please tell me,
thank you
On the listing page over on the right there is a Search where you type in the name ..first and last.. next to that is a Options button.. When you pull it down it has an Option called Search Type... Pull it down and you can select present or released inmates...
Wondering

United States

#118 Dec 25, 2012
Does anyone know if its the same Gary Caldwell that works with the school systems?
Gilly

London, KY

#120 Dec 25, 2012
Limbertwig wrote:
<quoted text>Jails are running over full,thats why. I dont have an answer other than bring back the chain gangs and put their asses to work.
No excuse and not true,my grandson was helt 2 weeks for a failure to appear,they have plenty of room.Only the dangerous ones ought to be kept,but that would make too much sense,no my grandson had hurt noone and wasn't charged with anything to where another could have been hurt,this was williamsburg,too.
Gilly

London, KY

#121 Dec 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
How about this... It costs Billions each year to operate US Federal Prisons... Shut them down... Take the money and follow England's lead, We buy an Island about the size of say Granada (Faulklands) and drop them off with a tent and a pocket knife... That's about what England did in Australia and they unloaded the majority of the bad guys in short order...
An Island would be much cheaper.. Might even fly over and drop a care package now and then...
Have a 3 times a felon and win a free trip to "Freedom Island"... Where you get the freedom to work with other like minded people that have opted for the Freedom Island experience to form your own society have ever you agree.... Be able to learn new trades such as farming, Hunting & Gathering, Self Defense, escape and evasion, natural medicines ect...
I got a better idea,only lock up the people who are or could be a danger to others,drunk driving would be included in that.
Trouble

Ripley, TN

#122 Dec 25, 2012
Very sad this happened. Thoughts and prayers going out to the families of all that died. Even for the guy who came across the median who may of by bad choices caused this to happen. I'm sure his family is also hurting.

Drugs and alchohol abuse drive people to doing things that they would not even consider when sober. It's an awful effect. Like previous posts have said dry or wet counties...it happens everywhere.

Not selling alchohol locally even adds to the situation, because if you are driving out of county or state to get it you are potentially driving back in a condition you wouldn't of considered if you could head down to the local store and purchase.

Also in most towns, even small ones if there are bars there are also cab companies that are affordable enough to purchase a ride when you or a friend decided to drink without thinking about how to get home.

Bar owners tend watch their patrons and make sure the ones who shouldn't be driving don't. It's public behavior...instead of behind the scenes where there is not much a chance to catch these drunk guys behind the wheel until it's too late.

As far as sending them off to an island...not a bad idea..but i'd rather see the murderers and child molesters run off there. The alcholics and mild drug addicts be jailed locally and more of our tax dollars that were spent on lifers aimed at rehabilitating addictions.

Of course you can't help everyone.

I'd also totally be for the eventual addition to every motor vehicle a breathalizer that had to within legal limits to start the car. Yes, there would be ways to get around this...but those people alone who just walk out and want to drive with no one around to say don't, or those who do and ask a friend to assist them..the likely hood of drinking and driving would scale down dramatically.

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