Hundreds of birds die in western Ky.

Hundreds of birds die in western Ky.

There are 81784 comments on the The Cincinnati Enquirer story from Jan 5, 2011, titled Hundreds of birds die in western Ky.. In it, The Cincinnati Enquirer reports that:

MURRAY, Ky. - State wildlife officials say "several hundred" dead birds were found near the Murray State University campus last week.

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Ancient Wolf

Lexington, KY

#91496 Aug 6, 2013
In the old days, tobacco farmers had more help than they do now. They had big families and neighbors to help with the cutting, housing, stripping, etc. Schools never even started until mid-September so the farmers could get the tobacco cut and housed otherwise the kids did not go anyways until it was done.

In winter, the wood and brush were accumulated to burn the tobacco beds to retard the weeds. Now it is chemicals. In mid-May, the "sucker" growth and blooms were removed so the main leafs would get the nutrients. The big green tobacco worms were removed by hand plucking. Now, more chemicals. Tobacco was cut and hung on sticks hanging from the rafters to dry and then wait for a rainy day for the tobacco to come in "case" for stripping. Untelling what chemicals are being used to make the cigarette papers. In the old days, it was handrolled cigars or smoked in pipes.

“Is who I am”

Since: Aug 08

Scottsville

#91497 Aug 6, 2013
Another beautiful day here!!
Hop you all had a good one!
yuppp

Lexington, KY

#91498 Aug 6, 2013
you too
fifties farm boy

United States

#91502 Aug 6, 2013
Ancient Wolf wrote:
In the old days, tobacco farmers had more help than they do now. They had big families and neighbors to help with the cutting, housing, stripping, etc. Schools never even started until mid-September so the farmers could get the tobacco cut and housed otherwise the kids did not go anyways until it was done.
In winter, the wood and brush were accumulated to burn the tobacco beds to retard the weeds. Now it is chemicals. In mid-May, the "sucker" growth and blooms were removed so the main leafs would get the nutrients. The big green tobacco worms were removed by hand plucking. Now, more chemicals. Tobacco was cut and hung on sticks hanging from the rafters to dry and then wait for a rainy day for the tobacco to come in "case" for stripping. Untelling what chemicals are being used to make the cigarette papers. In the old days, it was handrolled cigars or smoked in pipes.
My family left the Ky farm and went north for a few years in the early to mid forties but we came back to the old farm at the beginning of 1953. I was 10 yrs old at the time.

We were a big family. We had the usual mix for a small ky farm of the day, a few cows for milk and butter, and a little milk to sell to a truck that ran a daily route, a couple pigs for meat, chickens in the yard for eggs and meat, and a big garden to eat from and to put up food for winter. Plus, an occasional squirrel or rabbit, killed and fried, was a welcome change at he dinner table.

Tobacco was our money crop. We raised our own and rented all we could to raise close to home. We farmed with horses.

Toxaphene and ddt were used routinely by farmers to control bugs and worms on the tobacco by the mid fifties. I suppose you all pretty much are familiar with ddt.

Toxaphene is a poison made by reacting chlorine gas with a substance called camphene. The resulting product (toxaphene) is a mixture of hundreds of different chlorinated camphenes and related chemicals. Toxaphene does not break down quickly. It stays in the soil for years.

In the mid fifties ddt and toxaphene were applied to the tobacco in the form of dust, applied when the tobacco was small from a can with holes in the bottom which was attached loosely to a short stick so that a little downward motion followed by a quick stop would slap the can against the bottom end of the stick and shake out an appropriate amount of dust.

Later as the tobacco got bigger, the dust was shaken onto the tobacco from a cloth bag covering the leaves with dust. It is a miracle that we all didn't die from exposure to these highly toxic dusts.

By the late fifties (I think) both those chemical poisons had been replaced, for use on tobacco, over health concerns. Toxaphene was banned all across the USA sometime in the 1990s.

I can remember pulling worms off and killing them sometimes, but that was not our primary method of controlling them. By the late sixties, a pump up 3 gallon compressed air sprayer with a mix of water and chemicals were our main method of pest control. At that point in time most of the tobacco sprays were a form of nerve agent. A dose of that and a tobacco worm didn't last long.

Through the forties, fifties, and early sixties, suckers were pretty much broken out by hand. Then around the end of the sixties, spray on chemical sucker control became common. By that time chemical treatment of the soil for preparing plant beds was pretty much the accepted practice as well. Things were getting a little easier for the tobacco farmer.

By the mid seventies I had figured out that there were much easier ways to make a living than raising tobacco. From that point on I worked at a job in town, raised some beef cattle, and let someone else raise my tobacco base.

In spite of the hard work and the hardships, I have many fond memories of those "good old days". I will never forget moms "home cooking" and the joys of growing up in the country.

Thank God I'm a country boy !

Ancient Wolf

Nicholasville, KY

#91503 Aug 7, 2013
@ fifties farm boy.. I am about the same age as you and our lives have been almost a reverse. What I wrote about were the processes of the 40s and 50s prior to the use of chemicals in tobacco production.

About the same time that your family returned to the country, we had to leave. Grandpappy passed on and the hillside farm was sold including the 4 room shack in the bottom land where we lived without electricity and running water. My dad took a town job with a regular income and even bought a car and some electrical appliances.

God has blessed me with a long term career in Information Technology and upon retiring, I was able to buy back just that small piece of bottom land and personally remodel that old shack mainly using used lumber and materials and it now has most of the conveniences while still retaining it's original character. But I can look out the window and see Grandpappy's old farm that is now just pasture land and woods and recall all the "Ghosts" of my youth.(I don't own that old farm but just the shack and enough acreage to raise a lot of sweet corn and a flock of chickens).

I started here and I will end up here. The prodigal son has returned.
Ancient Wolf

Nicholasville, KY

#91504 Aug 7, 2013
My career has taken me to work in New York City, Philadelphia, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Washington, Miami, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Lexington.

That is the main reason that my retirement community will be "My Old Kentucky Home" (shack with my chickens and dog) and not some old folks condo in Florida. LOL
Anne

United States

#91505 Aug 7, 2013
While I don't live in my childhood home I do live on the family property! My dad moved here when he was about 4 months old. My greatgrandfather spent his remaining years here, sharing a bedroom with my dad. Now I'm here with my youngest child and my grandchildren. I'm trying to instill a love of the country and a feeling of family connection into my grandchildren and maybe they will carry on. It's a lot to ask. I point out that good careers are can be had within driving distance( we aren't farmers) but I guess I can't expect them to do that. After all, I didn't. I'm like an old elephant... Returning home to die...sigh
Ancient Wolf

Nicholasville, KY

#91508 Aug 7, 2013
Anne wrote:
While I don't live in my childhood home I do live on the family property! My dad moved here when he was about 4 months old. My greatgrandfather spent his remaining years here, sharing a bedroom with my dad. Now I'm here with my youngest child and my grandchildren. I'm trying to instill a love of the country and a feeling of family connection into my grandchildren and maybe they will carry on. It's a lot to ask. I point out that good careers are can be had within driving distance( we aren't farmers) but I guess I can't expect them to do that. After all, I didn't. I'm like an old elephant... Returning home to die...sigh
I have not only returned to my childhood home, but also to my roots since my ancestors have mainly lived within a 15 mile radius of this general area since 1780. That is about as close a connection as I can make. LOL I have traced my roots and found that many of my ancestors have lived, married, and died very close by. It pleases me to walk on the same grounds that some trod on over 200 years ago.

“Is who I am”

Since: Aug 08

Scottsville

#91512 Aug 7, 2013
More rain, but it's not terrible.
Anne

United States

#91513 Aug 7, 2013
So, AW, I ask, are we both hampered down with the past? I LIKE having the memories around me. The land, the same neighbor families my grandparents had, the old pieces of furniture. The pics. Some would say I'm living in the past and I need to live in the present. I've worked about 4 hours on the mowing Etc and believe me, thats living in the present!!! Lol
Misty eyed

Louisa, KY

#91514 Aug 7, 2013
Anne, I know, what you mean about others and their opinions. I have been told to my face that I am such a good parent and person . Then find out later that same person tells another I'm not doing enough. Rubbish. I never tell others how to live unless someone wants my honest input. You are right that cutting grass is a future deal. So, if any remarks are made again say, Hmm well I'm presently planning for the future, like your that spry young thing again. Hehehe. I have so much negativity to deal with at times; it feels as if I need a spiritual quest. Others create so much havic in our lives. As for me I just want to be happy and drunk on life. You enlighten my days with each story you share; it takes me away from this rundown place with so little space to live. And the shattering loneliness. Thank you for those stories of your pond and life. I, for one, am delighted to hear them.
Ignore those clamoring voices of others who are disapproving, it has always been your life and your happiness that exists. That is all that matters;)
That dude

Lexington, KY

#91515 Aug 7, 2013
Anne wrote:
So, AW, I ask, are we both hampered down with the past? I LIKE having the memories around me. The land, the same neighbor families my grandparents had, the old pieces of furniture. The pics. Some would say I'm living in the past and I need to live in the present. I've worked about 4 hours on the mowing Etc and believe me, thats living in the present!!! Lol
No, I don't think we are hampered at all. It is merely honoring the contributions those that went before us have made so that we can better enjoy the present and look forward to the future and hope that we are so honored as well. In fact, I will be making my presence later this evening in the company of those people that appreciate the fact that this old man is still above ground and has eggs and sweet corn to distribute.

When they say "It is good to see you", my reply is usually "It is good to see and be seen". LOL and if they say "GOD Bless you". My usual reply is "HE already has". Have a good evening,
Anne

United States

#91516 Aug 7, 2013
Misty eyed wrote:
Anne, I know, what you mean about others and their opinions. I have been told to my face that I am such a good parent and person . Then find out later that same person tells another I'm not doing enough. Rubbish. I never tell others how to live unless someone wants my honest input. You are right that cutting grass is a future deal. So, if any remarks are made again say, Hmm well I'm presently planning for the future, like your that spry young thing again. Hehehe. I have so much negativity to deal with at times; it feels as if I need a spiritual quest. Others create so much havic in our lives. As for me I just want to be happy and drunk on life. You enlighten my days with each story you share; it takes me away from this rundown place with so little space to live. And the shattering loneliness. Thank you for those stories of your pond and life. I, for one, am delighted to hear them.
Ignore those clamoring voices of others who are disapproving, it has always been your life and your happiness that exists. That is all that matters;)
Thank you for your kind words and I'm certainly glad you enjoy my little crazy stories.
I am alone a lot and a lot of times I am lonely. Then I have also been lonely in a crowd of people.
In the last year or so I've had the chance to meet new people and renew old acquaintances. Lots of times it works out great and its always interesting. Lol. Sometimes my dock time is perfect alone time ...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#91517 Aug 7, 2013
Anne wrote:
So, AW, I ask, are we both hampered down with the past? I LIKE having the memories around me. The land, the same neighbor families my grandparents had, the old pieces of furniture. The pics. Some would say I'm living in the past and I need to live in the present. I've worked about 4 hours on the mowing Etc and believe me, thats living in the present!!! Lol
I don't think we can live in the present without embracing our past. We are a collection of our past experiences and I too love to surround myself with things that remind me that I am part of something bigger-- my ancestors, my family, my God.
Enjoy those country homes-- wish I was in the woods!

Since: Jan 10

Scotts Vegas

#91518 Aug 7, 2013
Sure is the most beautiful weather one could ever expect in the month of August! Rain and all. Come to think of it July was pretty darn nice also.

Since: Jan 10

Scotts Vegas

#91519 Aug 7, 2013
I was hoping querty could give me quertys' take on the rest of the weeks horoscope for Cancer.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#91520 Aug 7, 2013
Blueminer wrote:
Sure is the most beautiful weather one could ever expect in the month of August! Rain and all. Come to think of it July was pretty darn nice also.
Hi Blueminer
Hope you had a blessed day!

Since: Jan 10

Scotts Vegas

#91521 Aug 7, 2013
FATE! and coincidence... It has been so long since I logged on and read, let alone posted. So here I come and before I type and get my post up there's Miss E. Miss E we have been so hostile with one another in the past it just tickles the old funny bone no end to read your post about embracing the past. Why? Because I don't find a lot embracable about my past, way clear back to smack waaaaaaaaa!!! congratulations it's a boy.

And that is the very reason I value your post above!

OH! And Hi Miss E! Hope You are having a blessed day also

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#91522 Aug 7, 2013
Blueminer wrote:
FATE! and coincidence... It has been so long since I logged on and read, let alone posted. So here I come and before I type and get my post up there's Miss E. Miss E we have been so hostile with one another in the past it just tickles the old funny bone no end to read your post about embracing the past. Why? Because I don't find a lot embracable about my past, way clear back to smack waaaaaaaaa!!! congratulations it's a boy.

And that is the very reason I value your post above!

OH! And Hi Miss E! Hope You are having a blessed day also
Yes but if you changed one single thing from your past (good or bad). It would alter who you are. Have you ever read the book "Five people you meet in Heaven"? One day you will see that even the bad parts are valuable to who you are. I took a three month break but I'm back--- take care

Since: Jan 10

Scotts Vegas

#91523 Aug 7, 2013
Miss E, I kind of cracked up at the post because here I am working on letting go of much of the past, and reading you embracing the past. Posting about the same time. Ideally embracing ones past speaks volumes of ones attitude concerning how they conducted LIFE. That's another beautiful thing.

Lately I have been regretting everything I wasted through the past years. But I'm alive and well. I'll just have to embrace that for the time being one day at a time. Looking forward to tommorrow.

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