Teacher's Facebook post leads to leave

Teacher's Facebook post leads to leave

There are 169 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Jan 12, 2009, titled Teacher's Facebook post leads to leave. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Monday night, the Bangor School Board accepted the resignation of a teacher who got in trouble for something she wrote on Facebook.

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Another band director

Saint Joseph, MI

#143 Jan 14, 2009
I'm very frustrated for Morgan. I know her personally and she's a very caring and talented person. The last director in Bangor was a friend of mine and that community burned him out and he stopped teaching band!

So many people posting don't put themselves into her shoes because you've never been a position where you're expected to be as perfect as when you're a teacher-- sometimes you make mistakes.

As a director, I've said things like, "There's no way she's going to that honors band! She quit for a semester!" and it came back to me by my principal telling me the parent told him I said that.

Some parents are ridiculous, and as teachers, we have to coddle them or we get complaints. Luckily, my principal will be a voice for teachers and then talk to the teacher privately to resolve things-- not force resignation.

I hope Morgan goes somewhere warm with a better economy and better bands and is fantastically successful! I heard of an opening in Texas...
just_me_uh

Battle Creek, MI

#144 Jan 14, 2009
Another band director wrote:
I'm very frustrated for Morgan. I know her personally and she's a very caring and talented person. The last director in Bangor was a friend of mine and that community burned him out and he stopped teaching band!
So many people posting don't put themselves into her shoes because you've never been a position where you're expected to be as perfect as when you're a teacher-- sometimes you make mistakes.
As a director, I've said things like, "There's no way she's going to that honors band! She quit for a semester!" and it came back to me by my principal telling me the parent told him I said that.
Some parents are ridiculous, and as teachers, we have to coddle them or we get complaints. Luckily, my principal will be a voice for teachers and then talk to the teacher privately to resolve things-- not force resignation.
I hope Morgan goes somewhere warm with a better economy and better bands and is fantastically successful! I heard of an opening in Texas...
i sure hope your friend makes it to texas also maybe there she will be appreciated far more than bangor school district.and maybe avoid a hate full parent who only wants to hurt other people for her daughters mistakes, tell morgan good luck.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#145 Jan 14, 2009
True, but the childs name was never used. I respect your opinion, but in defending someone, I would check with the school on the procedure first. Personally, I would think that the parent would also have to sign the instrument out. Especially since it was valued at close to $1,000
South haven mom wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know what the school's procedures are but obviously they need a better one!! I do feel bad that she lost her job but you just can't go around using words like " she stole it" and I want to kill the student. there is a certain amount of professionalism that is expected from teachers and she may have been young, but I certainly think she knew better!!
A teacher

Naperville, IL

#146 Jan 14, 2009
South haven mom wrote:
<quoted text>Never claimed to be an english major!!! Just know what's right and wrong!!! I still have a job she doesn't!!!
It's not about being an english major, it's knowing basic writing skills. Those are things taught in sixth grade.

What's your job, trying to cut your umbillical cord from your precious daughter's tummy? I'm sure you feel like such a big person now that you got someone fired. The satisfaction in all of this is knowing that you're perpetuating the cycle of stupidity into your daughter by teaching her to solve life's problems like this. Congratuations- you're an idiot!
Mickey

West Chester, OH

#147 Jan 14, 2009
I think at 23 she still has some frowing UP to do..........
name

Denver, CO

#148 Jan 14, 2009
South haven mom wrote:
<quoted text>AHHH. Feelings hurt honey???I think when people resort to socia; status as a result of why things happened is sad!! I'm sorry I can back mine up!!!
if you are a mother, you should really watch what you are saying, some of this is not real pleasant, how bout you be the bigger person and stop name calling?
Unbiased Fellow Musician

Kalamazoo, MI

#149 Jan 15, 2009
I am also a very young music teacher, just branching out in the world of the public schools, as Ms. Wyhowski is (well, WAS...). It is my opinion that teachers should be expected to hold themselves to a higher moral standard than, perhaps, people in most other professions. As teachers, we are, in a sense, surrogate "parents" to these children for eight hours of the school day while they are in our classroom, and should not only be teaching them about our specific subjects, but also about life (at least this seems to be what liberal America wants for its children, so teachers must all conform, I suppose, to appease the masses). I also have a Facebook account, and I must say, it is fun when used appropriately.
I wish everyone would stop talking about the silly piccolo. This seems to be the central focus of the discussion. The real issue at hand is that this teacher made comments about a student, which, if seen by the student, would be infuriating and humiliating. This was the major mistake. If I were the parent of this child, I would be most upset as well, and I personally find it inappropriate. Whether the daughter has sticky fingers or not (although she probably does) is irrelevant. Ms. Wyhowski should not have posted such a complaint on a public medium such as Facebook (such griping should be done privately among all of us music teachers! We would have been happy to hear, and likely side with your position, Ms. Wyhowski!). This discussion should have stayed between director, parent, principal, and child. Not among hundreds of friends on Facebook. If a teacher wants to conduct any sort of socializing on a site such as Facebook, he or she should still be professional and respectable, as nothing on the internet can be truly hidden these days.
Band Director

Aurora, CO

#150 Jan 15, 2009
Unbiased Fellow Musician wrote:
The real issue at hand is that this teacher made comments about a student, which, if seen by the student, would be infuriating and humiliating. This was the major mistake. If I were the parent of this child, I would be most upset as well, and I personally find it inappropriate. Whether the daughter has sticky fingers or not (although she probably does) is irrelevant. Ms. Wyhowski should not have posted such a complaint on a public medium such as Facebook (such griping should be done privately among all of us music teachers! We would have been happy to hear, and likely side with your position, Ms. Wyhowski!). This discussion should have stayed between director, parent, principal, and child. Not among hundreds of friends on Facebook. If a teacher wants to conduct any sort of socializing on a site such as Facebook, he or she should still be professional and respectable, as nothing on the internet can be truly hidden these days.
You are right that she shouldn't have posted that comment, but it's not something that should have resulted in a termination. It should have been dealt with in a private reprimand from the principal. She surely must have been forced to resign (given the "option" before termination), because it wouldn't take THAT long to "investigate."

Unfortunately it sounds like Morgan Wyhowski was in an environment where (probably among other stressful things) she was dealing with a thief, and received no support from the parent or her administration, who pressured her into resigning once the parent wanted her fired. She was protecting taxpayer property and probably felt that she would ultimately be responsible for the $900 loss. Then the parent denies it and per the parent's own admission, tries successfully to have her fired. No wonder she was stressed in the first place. What an awful work environment.

I feel sorry for the good kids in Bangor who really want to learn. I've heard stories from other band directors who have worked there and it sounds like the administration really doesn't know how to support a fine music program. Morgan Wyhowski's frustration seems understandable, despite the inappropriate comment.
gravy

Plainwell, MI

#151 Jan 15, 2009
One does not get terminated over an isolated incident. People can speculate, but there is more to the story than what the public needs to know.
Freakyt

AOL

#152 Jan 15, 2009
I've known Morgan Wyhowski for many years. I even provided a glowing recommendation for her to a previous employer. She is very smart and completely dedicated to music. She is self-taught on more instruments than I know the names of. Morgan is, and always will be, a gifted and brilliant musician and was a dedicated employee to me and the rest of my co-workers. I feel nothing but pity for her and her wonderful family and wish them only the best. I would be glad to provide a reference for her again in the future!
Portage- MI

Kalamazoo, MI

#153 Jan 15, 2009
As a teacher for twelve years, you must keep your personal and professional life separate. I love my students and do everything I can to connect with them. However, once I leave school that is where it ends. I know many educators who post their every thought on Facebook or Myspace . The Bangor director my not have liked or trusted the student, however, she had no right to threaten the student in any way. The situation with the piccolo should have been handled by the principal, director and parent. Chances are it would have been resolved amicably. The teacher has every right to be upset if she feels the student stole the instrument, however, she never should have posted it online for everyone to see. Once it was posted it became public record. I hope the young teacher can learn and grow from this. It sounds like she was doing good things in a district that has traditionally had a poor band program. Hopefully, she can find another music position and make better choices in the future.
JMR

Kalamazoo, MI

#154 Jan 15, 2009
A teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not about being an english major, it's knowing basic writing skills. Those are things taught in sixth grade.
What's your job, trying to cut your umbillical cord from your precious daughter's tummy? I'm sure you feel like such a big person now that you got someone fired. The satisfaction in all of this is knowing that you're perpetuating the cycle of stupidity into your daughter by teaching her to solve life's problems like this. Congratuations- you're an idiot!
And your a teacher! Hope none of my grandchildren have you.
teenagers stealing

Sturgis, MI

#155 Jan 16, 2009
Once when I was in 10th grade, I had a friend that asked me to grab her homework folder off the teachers desk because she was going to be gone early from class that day. I thought nothing of it. I grabbed the folder she discribed and gave it to her the next day. Never bothered to look and see that it was full of newspaper class money... Needless to say, when I was accused of taking it, I denied it all the way. Then I realized what I did and didn't want to admit it to my father for fear that I would be accused of purposely steeling it. Eventually that evening I told my father and we went back to the police station. I reported that girl and it eventually turned into a she said, she said kind of deal. I was accused of stealing and I had my hands on the package.... END OF STORY. They punished me along with the girl that set me up. Of course she got a longer punishment, but I still felt it. The whole time, I defended myself and no would listen. Hopefully your daughter is that honest, Bangor Mom, because right now there is a person that has lost the career that they worked so hard to be in. I am sure if she hated kids and wanted to kill them, she would not have CHOSE to do the career that she did. We all say things in vain and out of anger. We all use statements that can easily be misconstrued. Regardless of how many "friends" she has on her facebook, I am willing to bet that 99% of them don't even know OR CARE who your daughter is. I am also willing to bet that well over half of them probably don't even live in the area. People have lives. It should have been handled different. If she held a weapon to your child or made threats of violence to her or other students that would be a completely different story.
High School Student

United States

#156 Jan 16, 2009
This is so blown out of proportion. The teacher used a metaphor, its not like she was actually going to kill the student.
Being a student my self I have mentioned that I would like to kill my teacher.. if he gave me too much homework, gave me a bad grade on a paper, etc....
Am I really going to kill him... NO.
So for all of you, have you ever mentioned killing one of your co-workers because they dont do diddly squat. Maybe not on such a public mannor but serisouly.
Try being a teacher.

“DON'T JUDGE ME”

Since: Jul 08

Holland, MI

#157 Jan 16, 2009
Oh My ... to believe everything a teenage girl says and then to get on Topix and act like a spoiled brat yourself ... and to bring your social status into this too. WOW! What a peach! NOT!!!!! Last I knew, good people can live in much less expensive houses and still be good upstanding moral citizens ... don't have to go to college to know right from wrong! Kids lie, cheat, and steal so open your eyes and start being a real parent instead of sitting on here acting like you're such a good parent -- do some hands on parenting for a change!!!
teenagers stealing

Sturgis, MI

#158 Jan 16, 2009
AngelEyes316 wrote:
Oh My ... to believe everything a teenage girl says and then to get on Topix and act like a spoiled brat yourself ... and to bring your social status into this too. WOW! What a peach! NOT!!!!! Last I knew, good people can live in much less expensive houses and still be good upstanding moral citizens ... don't have to go to college to know right from wrong! Kids lie, cheat, and steal so open your eyes and start being a real parent instead of sitting on here acting like you're such a good parent -- do some hands on parenting for a change!!!
AMEN TO THAT!!!! Kids are going to be kids, stop letting them snow you! There is a reason all of this happened, that teenager was not innocent in this.
shocked

South Haven, MI

#159 Jan 16, 2009
AngelEyes316 wrote:
Oh My ... to believe everything a teenage girl says and then to get on Topix and act like a spoiled brat yourself ... and to bring your social status into this too. WOW! What a peach! NOT!!!!! Last I knew, good people can live in much less expensive houses and still be good upstanding moral citizens ... don't have to go to college to know right from wrong! Kids lie, cheat, and steal so open your eyes and start being a real parent instead of sitting on here acting like you're such a good parent -- do some hands on parenting for a change!!!
Thank you for being the one to say it Right on and could not have said it beter myself!!!

Since: Apr 08

Deerfield, IL

#160 Jan 16, 2009
Right On! Amen to all y'all!!!

People are going to hear gossip and then start calling the person a thief and presume guilt with absolutely no facts every day of the week!!!

You people are so full of crap but at least you entertain me.

Next.
Bangor Grad 83

United States

#161 Jan 16, 2009
I have known Morgan for 5 years. She is the most honest & caring person I know. She is passionate about music and being a band teacher was her life long dream. I admit what she id was stupid. Was it cause for her to be forced out of a job that she loved? NO!!!!. Should she have been reprimanded? Probably Yes!
The students loved her, and if anybody could turn around a band program that has been pathetic for years, she was the one to do it. Her passion for the program and the kids was unmatched!
It is unfortunate that the administration cowed under to an ignorant parent who was trying save her daughter's reputation of being called a thief. My sources at the school tell me that she indeed was a thief!
I wish the remaining faculty good luck when they have an administration that is more worried about one whinny, ignorant,& scorned "parent", then what is for the good of the students in the long run!
Good Luck Morgan, I wish you well!!
JMR

Grand Rapids, MI

#162 Jan 16, 2009
Bangor Grad 83 wrote:
I have known Morgan for 5 years. She is the most honest & caring person I know. She is passionate about music and being a band teacher was her life long dream. I admit what she id was stupid. Was it cause for her to be forced out of a job that she loved? NO!!!!. Should she have been reprimanded? Probably Yes!
The students loved her, and if anybody could turn around a band program that has been pathetic for years, she was the one to do it. Her passion for the program and the kids was unmatched!
It is unfortunate that the administration cowed under to an ignorant parent who was trying save her daughter's reputation of being called a thief. My sources at the school tell me that she indeed was a thief!
I wish the remaining faculty good luck when they have an administration that is more worried about one whinny, ignorant,& scorned "parent", then what is for the good of the students in the long run!
Good Luck Morgan, I wish you well!!
Please be careful what you say about someone on a public forum. It may come back to bite you in the rear.

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