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annoyed

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Feb 11, 2012
 

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how much do they pay in S.A.? west TX is only getting .13 cents a mile... I heard they pay better over there...
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Feb 13, 2012
 
Come join the brotherhood
annoyed

Pecos, TX

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Feb 20, 2012
 
so how much per mile and hourly wait time?
jimim523

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Feb 20, 2012
 

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I work out of Walbridge, Ohio office (suburb of Toledo) and trust me, you do NOT want to work for this company. The railroad people are ok, but PTI is a JOKE. They try to screw you out of not only actual miles you drove, but will "forget" to pay you for a trip and if you don't yourself catch it, they won't make it up and will fight you when you do fight for it.
Rates around the country vary, but in Toledo, our rates are:
first 60 days,$7.70 (ohio minimum wage) for wait time in van waiting on crew and .16 cents a mile
61-365 days,$7.70 for wait in van and .188 a mile
after 1 year to 3 years:$7.98 and .22 cents a mile
To Teamster, we would LOVE to have a REAL union but unfortunately, PTI found a union that is bought and paid for by PTI and has NO backbone or puts out NO effort to execute or fight a claim, they (*ALWAYS*) side with the management. Help us get a REAL union in to protect the drivers from Management. Teamster, contact me at my user name plus yahoo if you want to help us get rid of this union and get a real one!!
NOTE: If PTI owners/management were not a bunch of crooks, the job itself is not a bad one if you like driving.
annoyed

Pecos, TX

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Feb 20, 2012
 
thank you for your honesty... this is dissapointing
jimim523

Monroe, MI

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Feb 20, 2012
 
Annoyed: if you really need a job, go into an office and fill out the application, DO NOT do it online as they NEVER respond to anyone that way. By ALL means, continue looking for work while working at PTI. As I said above, they will screw you out of money anytime they can, but if you stay on top of your checks and fight for what is rightfully yours, you sometimes will get it. But if you need work, go for it but A. keep your eyes open and B.(can't express this enough) keep looking for work because eventually, you will end up quiting or get fired for one thing or the other. Need a 5 year free driving record (may be different in Texas, don't know) but otherwise, think they would take a serial killer - as long as you can drive. I would invest in a GPS because the new ones they are installing (but not operational yet) are nothing more than "Big Brother" to watch you and time you but really, not like a Garmin that tells you your actual speed, when you will arrive at destination, how far until you turn and for us, where a Grainery or a Quarry or a track side location is.. find Cleveland, Detroit or Dallas, yep, bet they can do that but not much more. Should you go for the job, I would be interested in your feedback either here (which I found this site by mistake googling PTI complaints and lawsuits) and again, I am from Monroe Michigan but work out of Walbridge Ohio (25 miles from my home each way) or write me at my user name plus yahoo.
When I started February 4, 2011, it was a kinda fun place to work. I only work 4 days at PTI and was bringing home $500-$700 every two weeks. Now, this last check 2/16/12 was $500.00 and due to new hires (66 people to do 25-30 runs PER DAY) not getting out on runs like we were,(I work Fri, Sat, Sun and Mon and was on the board for 12-13 hours (sitting in my house waiting for dispatch to call - unpaid by the way) and did NOT go out on a run Fri or Sat and got one run Sunday up to Detroit for 120 miles and 4 hours of wait time and probably will not get out today, Monday, though I am sitting here waiting (was #21 at 12:30pm and at 5:10pm I am #12). We used to get 2 or 3 runs a day/night..maybe 600 miles RT to Buffalo or 500 miles RT to Chicago or a bunch of short runs that added up to 1000-2000 miles a week (4 days remember) and last week got 850 and so far this week 120...so this coming check is going to be (can't make time go any smaller)..small..tiny AND I am not alone at our office, we all are having less pay issues. Now, Texas might be different, maybe not as many drivers, maybe quite a few runs, but Toledo is a VERY busy hub for CSX and Norfolk Southern between Detroit and Chicago, Indianapolis and Buffalo and all spots in between.
Try it if you want to as you have nothing to lose if you are looking for work, but just let me know how things turn out.
Jim
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Vanlue, OH

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Mar 5, 2012
 
Jim...I am thinking of applying at the Walbridge PTI. Got any suggestions for a new hire? Do you get paid if you are waiting at home for a call? do you still get paid an hourly wage...plus the mileage money while you are driving?
jimim523

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Mar 5, 2012
 
First of all, they are taking applications, but I believe that (at this moment) there are no openings but they will keep your application on file. Now, I am not sure where Alvade is located, but I know Walbridge is taking applications for North Baltimore and I believe, but do not quote me on this, Lima and I know Detroit is hiring currently. I would contact either Evansville, Indiana or one of the offices and ask if they are hiring and also what office would be closest to you. The railroad runs 24/7/365 which means that PTI runs on those days as well; rain, snow, extreme heat..and driving to your office should be something close to you not only for your convience, but also there is a time deadline for you to pick up your crew. PTI works on an (on-time) performance and if you cannot make it to your office and then to your crew, you will not last with PTI.
You do not get paid for calling in and being on the board. The only time you are able to be paid is when you get a run, and it starts when you come to the office and pick up your van and go to the origin of the run. Lets say your pickup time is 8pm and you are on time and at the location to pick up your crew. You announce yourself to the crew and return to your van to wait for them to put their gear in the van and everyone is seated and belted up. If they do not come out and get in your van until 8:30, then you have 30 minutes of wait time (your minimum wage, it varies by state but Ohio is $7.70). Once you have the crew in the van and you are now moving towards your destination, you then make your mileage wage (.16,.188 or .22 cents a mile - depends on your seniority), a driver does not receive both hourly and mileage pay. There is also no mileage paid from your home to the office (any office you might work out of) so gas and wear and tear is on you, which it is with almost any job.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Randy Senn

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May 23, 2012
 

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This company should be sued by the EEOC for unfair minimum wages. I am in alabama and PTI knows in this state a lot of old country folks are going to fall for their scam and not do anything. I for one worked 2 days for PTI. One day training in which the training instructor made several stops for a breaks. this was of course be unscheduled so we did not get paid although he said we would. He has to complete forms and this was documented. Same as a driver making a run. If you are not driving and training, you do not get paid. This is hard to prove as PTI can revise forms and documents at will.
The 2nd day and with very little training, I was a part time employee. They sent me to the train yard to pickup 2 passengers and transfort them. Dothan, AL - Brinson GA. When I got there no van and no passengers. I called dispatch, they had no clue. A driver pulls up and said he was needed elsewhere. He gave me his van. What a mess. I then drove it across the street to the yard to pick up passengers. They told me there was a delay in Brinson with 2 trains and they were not going to Brinson and sit in a hot train for 11 hrs. So I was expected to just sit there with them in Dothan for 11 hrs. Then I was told that when we get there, I was to pick up 2 passengers and return them to Dothan but may be delayed there. I had no food or water and could not leave the yard. What really makes this a problem is that the GPS system was down so I had to log all this onto a form in hopes that my supervisor would not change any information on it, wait time actual miles, etc. Once a trip is logged, you cannot bust it. The dispatcher should have known this ahead of time. But since they only take calls and no one told them anything the trip could not be busted. I could have gone home and returned when needed. After 1 hour, I walked off the job and told them to find another sucker. PTI should be sued By the EEOC and other Federal Agencies. It was not even worth my time and the stress to make 100.00 and after taxes, maybe 70.00.
If you want to join me you may write to me to start a class action lawsuit. surferrandys@gmail.com
jimim523 wrote:
I work out of Walbridge, Ohio office (suburb of Toledo) and trust me, you do NOT want to work for this company. The railroad people are ok, but PTI is a JOKE. They try to screw you out of not only actual miles you drove, but will "forget" to pay you for a trip and if you don't yourself catch it, they won't make it up and will fight you when you do fight for it.
Rates around the country vary, but in Toledo, our rates are:
first 60 days,$7.70 (ohio minimum wage) for wait time in van waiting on crew and .16 cents a mile
61-365 days,$7.70 for wait in van and .188 a mile
after 1 year to 3 years:$7.98 and .22 cents a mile
To Teamster, we would LOVE to have a REAL union but unfortunately, PTI found a union that is bought and paid for by PTI and has NO backbone or puts out NO effort to execute or fight a claim, they (*ALWAYS*) side with the management. Help us get a REAL union in to protect the drivers from Management. Teamster, contact me at my user name plus yahoo if you want to help us get rid of this union and get a real one!!
NOTE: If PTI owners/management were not a bunch of crooks, the job itself is not a bad one if you like driving.
jimim523

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May 23, 2012
 
Randy Senn wrote:
This company should be sued by the EEOC for unfair minimum wages. I am in alabama and PTI knows in this state a lot of old country folks are going to fall for their scam and not do anything. I for one worked 2 days for PTI. One day training in which the training instructor made several stops for a breaks. this was of course be unscheduled so we did not get paid although he said we would. He has to complete forms and this was documented. Same as a driver making a run. If you are not driving and training, you do not get paid. This is hard to prove as PTI can revise forms and documents at will.
The 2nd day and with very little training, I was a part time employee. They sent me to the train yard to pickup 2 passengers and transfort them. Dothan, AL - Brinson GA. When I got there no van and no passengers. I called dispatch, they had no clue. A driver pulls up and said he was needed elsewhere. He gave me his van. What a mess. I then drove it across the street to the yard to pick up passengers. They told me there was a delay in Brinson with 2 trains and they were not going to Brinson and sit in a hot train for 11 hrs. So I was expected to just sit there with them in Dothan for 11 hrs. Then I was told that when we get there, I was to pick up 2 passengers and return them to Dothan but may be delayed there. I had no food or water and could not leave the yard. What really makes this a problem is that the GPS system was down so I had to log all this onto a form in hopes that my supervisor would not change any information on it, wait time actual miles, etc. Once a trip is logged, you cannot bust it. The dispatcher should have known this ahead of time. But since they only take calls and no one told them anything the trip could not be busted. I could have gone home and returned when needed. After 1 hour, I walked off the job and told them to find another sucker. PTI should be sued By the EEOC and other Federal Agencies. It was not even worth my time and the stress to make 100.00 and after taxes, maybe 70.00.
If you want to join me you may write to me to start a class action lawsuit. surferrandys@gmail.com
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Well, first of all, I'm pretty sure that no matter where you are at any of our 300+/- offices, its all the same. When you get a run, you must expect there could be delays for one and always bring food or a drink. You can also go into the railroad terminal and they have bottles of water you can have. If you were sitting for 11 hours, you get paid from the time you were supposed to pick up your crew until they get in the van.(i.e. 11 hours of wait time x $8.00 an hour (OR WHATEVER YOUR STARTING WAGE IS) so in this case, you would have been paid $88.00 to sit and wait. You have to call Evansville Dispatch to tell them the crew is not there after 20 minutes PAST your pick up time and then about every 30 minutes after that. Dispatch CAN AND WILL call the railroad to get an update on your trip status and they can and often do, bust the trip BUT you get paid for the time you sat waiting.
As for the "unscheduled stops" .. if you have a crew IN THE VAN with you, then yes, you DO get paid because the crew wanted food or bathroom break or you needed gas, and that is considered "wait time" - so your hourly wage kicks in at that point for 20 or 30 minutes you are waiting to drive again and then back to your mileage pay. Now, if YOU stop on your way back from dropping off your crew and YOU decide to stop to smoke, get something to eat, take a break or get gas, you DO NOT get paid for that time only mileage back to your office.
The company GPS system is NOT working anywhere and I HIGHLY recommend you buy a Garmin and put in every train stop you make so you can call it back up again.(example, this is how I enter mine so I can find it quickly: Chicago NS 55th Street Yard or Cleveland NS Rockport Yard).
Everyting starts and ends with Dispatch so you have to call them when theres a problem or for an ETA home.
scooter54601

Owosso, MI

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May 27, 2012
 
I work for Coach America. Well I will until July 23, which is when PTI will officially be in control. Im really paranoid about working for these guys, so could I hear some company stories from the crew haulers whove been with pti?
crewtransdaughte r

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May 29, 2012
 
My father works for Coach America in Gillette, WY...PTI has bought them out here too. And theyy just recieved notice that they will all be laid off and must apply with PTI. At Coach America, he has over 10 yrs seniority. He has worked hard to make the money he earns now...and he also has the burden of carign for my mother who is very ill. While he has family to help. her expenses are already taking every penny he has. He is so concerned about PTI and wonderring if he should waste his time. He has worked for crew transportation companies for almost 15 years. He even survived a lawsuit of Coach regarding overtime that they didn't pay. A lot of what I have read so far sounds like the same BS he has been manuevering through for years. I would really like to know if there is any positive things about the company...or if it is as it seems...another crew company with the same tactics and procedures as all the rest.
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#14
Jun 6, 2012
 
I, myself, am seeking legal counsel regarding PTI's disregard for the federal minimum wage laws. All the research I've done doesn't lead me to believe PTI is exempt for minimum wage laws. At 13 cents per mile and 7.25 per hour "wait" time, it's nearly impossible to equate that to minimum wage. Here in this part of the country you're lucky to find roadways with speed limits greater that 55 miles per hour. Usually, it's 30 - 45 miles per hour. If someone can show me how that can become minimum wage, I'm willing to listen. Feel free to contact me at navyretired950501@yahoo.com
jimim523

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Jun 6, 2012
 
To Crewtansdaughter and navyretired, a couple of things.
1. PTI took over other smaller companies over the years and as long as they pass a Home Land Security background check and have not had any tickets in the last ... uh, forgot, 3 years maybe, they have brought on people and they have kept SOME of their seniority in SOME cases, but not all.
2. PTI is listed as a "livery" service, like a taxi cab and because of that, does not have to maintain minimum wage because they pay you for mileage and wait time. There is nothing that says you have to only take one run a day, you can take as many as you can AS LONG AS you do NOT go over the Federal law that says you can not drive over 16 hours a day (including rest time between the 12th and 16th hour) and also, you can NOT work over 40 hours a week, a PTI rule. It is not the speed you drive but the distance you drive and also all of the wait time that is figured into that run. You would have to work a week and then divide your total wage by 40 or less, hours to see what your "hourly wage" would be.
3. Your per mile figure changes after you have gone through your probation period (60 days I believe) and your wait time goes up after your one year anniversary date.

This is not a GREAT company and you are NOT going to get rich with this job. Here in Toledo, most of the over the road drivers and yard drivers have another source of income: a spouse working full or part time, social security or even the driver working another job as well. Unfortunately, this is not a job that gives you a lot of pay benefits, but, it is very hard to get fired from - take a bath so no one complains about you, no tickets nor speeding, be nice to the railroad crews as 98% of them are pretty nice and the other 2% might be way tired and grumpy today, but next time in a GREAT mood.
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Jun 6, 2012
 
sorry, one more thing, you MUST be ON TIME to pick up crews or that is one BIG thing you can be fired for..but that is just like any other job, right?
scooter54601

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Jun 8, 2012
 
jimim523 wrote:
To Crewtansdaughter and navyretired, a couple of things.
1. PTI took over other smaller companies over the years and as long as they pass a Home Land Security background check and have not had any tickets in the last ... uh, forgot, 3 years maybe, they have brought on people and they have kept SOME of their seniority in SOME cases, but not all.
2. PTI is listed as a "livery" service, like a taxi cab and because of that, does not have to maintain minimum wage because they pay you for mileage and wait time. There is nothing that says you have to only take one run a day, you can take as many as you can AS LONG AS you do NOT go over the Federal law that says you can not drive over 16 hours a day (including rest time between the 12th and 16th hour) and also, you can NOT work over 40 hours a week, a PTI rule. It is not the speed you drive but the distance you drive and also all of the wait time that is figured into that run. You would have to work a week and then divide your total wage by 40 or less, hours to see what your "hourly wage" would be.
3. Your per mile figure changes after you have gone through your probation period (60 days I believe) and your wait time goes up after your one year anniversary date.
This is not a GREAT company and you are NOT going to get rich with this job. Here in Toledo, most of the over the road drivers and yard drivers have another source of income: a spouse working full or part time, social security or even the driver working another job as well. Unfortunately, this is not a job that gives you a lot of pay benefits, but, it is very hard to get fired from - take a bath so no one complains about you, no tickets nor speeding, be nice to the railroad crews as 98% of them are pretty nice and the other 2% might be way tired and grumpy today, but next time in a GREAT mood.
16 hours? Don't know what rulebook you're reading out of. Crew drivers are under bus driving rules (10 hours driving, 15 hours on duty time total with and 8 hour rest period when you reach that point. And we also run by the 70/6 rule.) If you're driving 16 hours, then you are probably in violation of DOT regs.
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Jun 8, 2012
 
What really sucks is that PTI to my knowledge has no BNSF contract, so that's really gonna put a dent in my hub. And PTI has uplanders? I wonder if someone told these people that BNSF despises uplanders with a passion, especially on deadheads. You ever try to fit 5 grown railroad employees with their grips in one of those things? I can't wait to see this go down at the yard, lol. Looks like you train crews better go on a diet so I can fit you all, lol.
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Jun 9, 2012
 
Scooter, you are wrong. Federal Regs, DOT Regs all say, a driver can drive 12 hours, take a 30 minute rest and can then drive up to a total of 16 hours. At that point, driver must have an 8 hour rest time before he can then drive again (at the least). PTI does NOT allow over 40 hours of work time (due to lawsuits past and presently being litagated). If you are an employee, call PTI Dispatch and talk to them about your hours of service. I think you are getting some misbegotten information <UNLESS> PTI has to follow some other law/regs just in Wisconsin...but I doubt it, but maybe. States we drive in, all PTI locations are on the same DOT regs, my version, not yours.
Also, all PTI drivers (to my knowledge, company wide, all 300 locations) use a regular drivers license (do NOT need any version of a CDL license) and since PTI is chartered under a LIVERY license, NOT a DOT license, you cannot carry more than 4 railroad crew members and 1 driver. If you are carrying 5 railroad crew plus the driver, then you are actually in violation with not only the railroad bylaws but also PTI's bylaws.
We cover 6 States, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania and New York and I have not seen no more than 5 Chevy Uplanders in the YARDS (NOT the road) total; Yard vans are Toyota Sienna's or Suburbans or Explorers. Road vans are 2010-11 and 12's Chrysler Town and Country,(some) Dodge Carivans and (some) Toyota Sienna's. All of those fit up to the (*ALLOWED*) 4 railroad crew plus the driver and their gear. If you work for PTI, then you need to complain to your Branch Manager about the equipment they are giving you because around the country, everyone else is upgrading -- uplanders..are OUT.
Maybe you are not big enough to have the newer equipment, but awfully surprised if that is the case.
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Jun 9, 2012
 
I want to know if anyone else has payroll issues? So far my checks are not what they are suppose to be, I havent worked for PTI long. However, I have heard from other employees thats it is a regular thing for paychecks to be wrong? Let me know.
Thanks
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how much do they pay in S.A.? west TX is only getting .13 cents a mile... I heard they pay better over there...
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Jun 10, 2012
 
To Bigjokethusfar,
You should have your yellow sheets on the runs you have done during the pay period. In your pay envelope each Authorization Number is listed there. You need to go one by one and check to make sure A. the number is on your pay sheet, B. your wait time is correct and C. your miles are correct.(NOTE: in your office, there is or should be a book with the miles that each railroad you drive for pays for each run which is NOT the same miles on your odometer just so you know. Ask your Branch Manager to explain the whys and wherefores of the differences)
If you find a run that was not recorded, or the wait time is wrong or the miles, see your Branch Manager and tell him/her you want to do an payroll inquirey. NO ONE BUT YOU are responsible to look at each pay sheet and check those three things. If you don't, then you have no one to blame but yourself if you have been shorted.

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