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SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#1 Aug 30, 2010
Here we go again.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#2 Aug 30, 2010
by KENS 5 Staff

kens5.com

Posted on August 29, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Updated today at 7:31 AM

SAN ANTONIO -- A fatal deputy-involved shooting between Bandera County deputies and a Lakehills man has raised some questions.

According to the Bandera County sheriff, deputies were trying to serve a felony warrant Saturday night for an earlier shooting on the man's property.

Bandera sheriff Weldon Tucker says deputies shot 57-year-old William Caviness at his home near Medina Lake after the suspect fired at them.

Tucker reported that one deputy was hit in his protective vest.

However, a witness tells a different story.

That witness says the deputies did not announce themselves as they entered the home, and that caused the victim to fire his weapon in self-defense. Supposedly, the victim mistook the deputy as a gunseller he had argued with earlier that day. They say Caviness fired into the ceiling, and the deputies fired in return, killing Caviness.

The Texas Rangers are leading the investigation and more details are expected Monday.
ladywolf

United States

#3 Aug 30, 2010
hi shadow.the real story. I know what happened.the so called gun seller is not a gun dealer the young man sold his daddys rifles to Caviness after his daddy died. He went to collect the rest of the money he was owed.The old man came out of his house with a shot gun while this young man was talking to the older mans son and told him to leave. Ken left while he was getting in his car where his two young son,s were ages 3and 6 the old man started shooting at him he shot a tire out. when Ken got home he got of the car a bullet fell out of his seat right where his back was. the bullet came between his two babies and hit the back seat of the driver. both children could have gotten killed thank God all are safe. the deputy was Jimmy Johnson who was shot 3 times in the chest he had on a bullet proof vest.they took him to the hospital he will be ok.I know the family i have for years. it took backup 2 hrs to get to these peoples house.why did it take so long is what bothers me for bandera to respond.I was at the lake earlier that day with these kids and im so happy they are all fine and alive.
ladywolf

United States

#4 Aug 30, 2010
just one more comment.Caviness did start shooting at the deputies when they arrived. the deputies did announce themselves,
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#5 Aug 30, 2010
ladywolf wrote:
hi shadow.the real story. I know what happened.the so called gun seller is not a gun dealer the young man sold his daddys rifles to Caviness after his daddy died. He went to collect the rest of the money he was owed.The old man came out of his house with a shot gun while this young man was talking to the older mans son and told him to leave. Ken left while he was getting in his car where his two young son,s were ages 3and 6 the old man started shooting at him he shot a tire out. when Ken got home he got of the car a bullet fell out of his seat right where his back was. the bullet came between his two babies and hit the back seat of the driver. both children could have gotten killed thank God all are safe. the deputy was Jimmy Johnson who was shot 3 times in the chest he had on a bullet proof vest.they took him to the hospital he will be ok.I know the family i have for years. it took backup 2 hrs to get to these peoples house.why did it take so long is what bothers me for bandera to respond.I was at the lake earlier that day with these kids and im so happy they are all fine and alive.
Saturday night, Bandera County sheriff deputies shot and killed 57-year-old William Caviness in his home just moments after he shot at one of their fellow deputies.

The deputy's bullet-proof vest saved his life.

Texas Rangers will have to figure out whether these deputies identified themselves when they went to Caviness' home to serve a search warrant.

His wife, who was inside the home at the time, said the deputies did not.

"Let it be known that my husband was defending our home against what we thought were intruders, and that's the truth," said Pamela Caviness, William Caviness' widow.

Sheriff Weldon Tucker disagrees.

"Anytime you want to claim self defense for somebody that commits aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and then shoots a police officer - it's kind of hard to claim self defense," said Sheriff William Tucker of Bandera County.

Now the aggravated assault Sheriff Tucker was referring to an incident that happened six hours earlier. The sheriff's office says Caviness got into a fight with two men and ended up shooting one of them in the back.


They kicked the man's door in and when they startled him he fired then the deputies killed him.
I wish they had served the warrant earlier since it was not an arrest warrant but only a search warrant.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#6 Aug 30, 2010
This is my post and not part of the story from 5
They kicked the man's door in and when they startled him he fired then the deputies killed him.
I wish they had served the warrant earlier since it was not an arrest warrant but only a search warrant.
brenda

Devine, TX

#7 Aug 31, 2010
couldnt they have called the mans residence to find out what happend earler that day,after all it was an older couple inside . not like it was a swat team operation and coulve been handled diffrently.i also heard it took 2 hours for backup to get there and assist before the man was killed,if this is true where was tucker ?.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#8 Aug 31, 2010
brenda wrote:
couldnt they have called the mans residence to find out what happend earler that day,after all it was an older couple inside . not like it was a swat team operation and coulve been handled diffrently.i also heard it took 2 hours for backup to get there and assist before the man was killed,if this is true where was tucker ?.
I haven't seen any report saying Tucker or Chief Deputy Smith were there yet Tucker "knows" what these cowboy deputies did or didn't do.
When the man claiming to be shot called they should have gone to the shooters house and questioned him or if they considered him that dangerous they could stake out the house abd take him when he came home.
Knockless warrant--yet they weren't afraid to announce they were cops before entering the house. Something doesn't add up.
Just typical Bandera and it needs to stop.
ladywolf

Fowlerton, TX

#9 Aug 31, 2010
the only one that was shot was Caviness and the deputy.the young man who was shot at did call the law.it did take back up 2 hrs to get to this young mans house.his 2 young babies were in the car the car has a bullet holes in one tire and thru the back of the car which went between his 2 young innocent children who damn near got killed.I hate Bandera sheriffs office as much as you shadow but this is one time they did their job and did it right. would you still feel the same if Caviness shot one of the kids before he got killed?Or maybe he might have gotten both kids then what it still would have been wrong for Bandera to do their jobs?For once shadow i dont agree with you. Caviness shot at deputy .Deputy shot back end of story
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#10 Aug 31, 2010
ladywolf wrote:
the only one that was shot was Caviness and the deputy.the young man who was shot at did call the law.it did take back up 2 hrs to get to this young mans house.his 2 young babies were in the car the car has a bullet holes in one tire and thru the back of the car which went between his 2 young innocent children who damn near got killed.I hate Bandera sheriffs office as much as you shadow but this is one time they did their job and did it right. would you still feel the same if Caviness shot one of the kids before he got killed?Or maybe he might have gotten both kids then what it still would have been wrong for Bandera to do their jobs?For once shadow i dont agree with you. Caviness shot at deputy .Deputy shot back end of story
What if the deputies shot and killed everyone in the house?
The fact Caviness shot at all is just wrong. There is a way to handle these things and that isn't it.
By the same logic shooting up the house with innicents in side isn't right in my mind either.
What took so long for them to get to Caviness?
Thank God the kids are alright and Caviness is the only fatality but I still think it was all un necessary.
We will have to respectfully disagree on this one but that is what discussion is all about right.
Have a good day
ladywolf

Fowlerton, TX

#11 Aug 31, 2010
here,s a little more on Caviness the old man has had run in with the law before for assult with a deadly weapons and robberies so he isnt anyone the law didnt know about.they were aware of this mans reputation and took precautions. I know both families. Roy Caviness isnt a law abidding person either. But 2 wrongs still dont make it right and someone payed for it with their life.Thats the sad part about all of this someone died. im glad shadow we can have a discussion without the bullsh-t arguing you have a good day to.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#12 Aug 31, 2010
ladywolf wrote:
here,s a little more on Caviness the old man has had run in with the law before for assult with a deadly weapons and robberies so he isnt anyone the law didnt know about.they were aware of this mans reputation and took precautions. I know both families. Roy Caviness isnt a law abidding person either. But 2 wrongs still dont make it right and someone payed for it with their life.Thats the sad part about all of this someone died. im glad shadow we can have a discussion without the bullsh-t arguing you have a good day to.
Yes we can have a discussion without BS----as long as you admit I'm right.
Just kidding!
Red Head

United States

#13 Aug 31, 2010
SHADOW wrote:
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Yes we can have a discussion without BS----as long as you admit I'm right.
Just kidding!
Looking forward to seeing you at the Veselka trial you claim you know so much about. Go for yourself and see . You can have all the feelings you want about the D.A.'s but there will be credible witnesses against Veselka . Oh lets not forget the CPS tape with a child showing what Vaselka did . How do you explain that away. I suspect if Ted Bundy ,Charles Manson and others had been on trial in the Hill Country you would side with them. It is obvious you have been in trouble with the law. I don't buy your " I am on the grand jury" horseshit. See you there .
ladywolf

Fowlerton, TX

#14 Aug 31, 2010
ha ha shadow you funny guy
alex

United States

#15 Aug 31, 2010
ladywolf wrote:
ha ha shadow you funny guy
Oh yah he is a real card. SHADOW is what we know in the internet world as a troll. He scours Topix and posts on all things ,especially those he has read about in the paper or seen on the news. As for the man he is defending. Google Cheriko Ressler or Steven Veselka. This goes into the violent beating death of a two year old child who was left in Veselkas care and Veselka bragged to people he would never get caught because 3 of the witnesses are dead at very young ages. SHADOW continues to state Veselka is innocent and wnines he will never get a fair trail. Well the trial has been moved, witnesses are dead and so on. Veselka will get more than a fair trial.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#16 Aug 31, 2010
Red Head wrote:
<quoted text> Looking forward to seeing you at the Veselka trial you claim you know so much about. Go for yourself and see . You can have all the feelings you want about the D.A.'s but there will be credible witnesses against Veselka . Oh lets not forget the CPS tape with a child showing what Vaselka did . How do you explain that away. I suspect if Ted Bundy ,Charles Manson and others had been on trial in the Hill Country you would side with them. It is obvious you have been in trouble with the law. I don't buy your " I am on the grand jury" horseshit. See you there .
I don't think I recall saying there will be no credible witness against Veselka.
I do recall saying something like a mistrial could be in order because Tucker I think it was came out spewing Veselka would be convicted for sure. I think he will too but for a Sheriff to say that smacks of an inside deal that a good defense attorney will take apart.
I know how you feel and I do too about Veselka but he must be convicted by a jury of his peers not some hillbilly sheriff with a loud mouth.
What can I say about your district attorney, he has been in office too long and really doesn't care one way or the other I feel.
Red Head

United States

#17 Aug 31, 2010
SHADOW wrote:
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I don't think I recall saying there will be no credible witness against Veselka.
I do recall saying something like a mistrial could be in order because Tucker I think it was came out spewing Veselka would be convicted for sure. I think he will too but for a Sheriff to say that smacks of an inside deal that a good defense attorney will take apart.
I know how you feel and I do too about Veselka but he must be convicted by a jury of his peers not some hillbilly sheriff with a loud mouth.
What can I say about your district attorney, he has been in office too long and really doesn't care one way or the other I feel.
Okay we are good then. I am madder than hell that this thing has taken 9 years to deal with. And how in the hell did evidence go unnoticed (the cps tape, did the cps worker not think it was important to tell officers what was said.) for 8 years? I think there was so much carelessness in this case and crappy detective work in the start. I personally know the case and can honestly say very credible evidence was ignored 9 years ago that would have helped a lot. You do make a lot of good points here. And it is good to have somebody who can point out the flaws. I just hope the right thing happens and it sticks . But I have so many doubts due to Bandera's crumby police work. Seems to be a lot of stupid crap that always goes on there.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#18 Aug 31, 2010
SHADOW
Boerne, TX
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You say you know steve is not capable of this crime because you have known him for 15 years.
Hope you know something no one else knows because it is hard to get DA bruce Curry to prosecute something if he has the least doubt about winning.
If you have ever been chosen for the Grand Jury and sat in there while Curry puts on his little presentation you would know what I mean. The members of the Grand Jury look to Curry for guidance and guide he does. Since Curry has such influence over the Jury we might just as well give the power to Curry and stop wasting tme.
Curry is one of the most un caring people I have ever met, a true career politian. He has been there too long. When defence attorneys et behind him in elections it is clear he is not an overly agressive DA. The attorneys like him because he is so loose and easy unless he thinks he can get a conviction and then he is a pit bull.
He is a total embarrassment to the 216th district and should retire now. He may have been a good man in the beginning but that was a long time ago believe me.


SHADOW
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Sep 27, 2008 So what do you think about DA Bruce Curry and Bandera County Sheriff Tucker conclusions and statements??
If Tucker with his lame investigative skills was able to ask for and get a true bill from the grand jury there is probably evidence to show reason to hold the man over for trial.

SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#19 Aug 31, 2010
Red Head wrote:
<quoted text> Okay we are good then. I am madder than hell that this thing has taken 9 years to deal with. And how in the hell did evidence go unnoticed (the cps tape, did the cps worker not think it was important to tell officers what was said.) for 8 years? I think there was so much carelessness in this case and crappy detective work in the start. I personally know the case and can honestly say very credible evidence was ignored 9 years ago that would have helped a lot. You do make a lot of good points here. And it is good to have somebody who can point out the flaws. I just hope the right thing happens and it sticks . But I have so many doubts due to Bandera's crumby police work. Seems to be a lot of stupid crap that always goes on there.
Look at some of my original posts from the story below.
I am in complete agreeance with you about the investigation.
No flaws just misunderstanding. This man needs to go to trial, be convicted with all the evidence and then killed by the state for murder. Too bad the sentence can't be the same thing he gave the boy.
I don't disagree with you but if I did you would still have to let me win the arguement--ask ladywolf
We are in the same corner on this one for sure.
Red Head

United States

#20 Aug 31, 2010
SHADOW wrote:
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Look at some of my original posts from the story below.
I am in complete agreeance with you about the investigation.
No flaws just misunderstanding. This man needs to go to trial, be convicted with all the evidence and then killed by the state for murder. Too bad the sentence can't be the same thing he gave the boy.
I don't disagree with you but if I did you would still have to let me win the arguement--ask ladywolf
We are in the same corner on this one for sure.
Okay you can win the arguments. You are usually the only person on Topix who understands what is going on . And you are definitely the most intelligent person here.

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