DNRE Field Offices in Atlanta and Bal...

DNRE Field Offices in Atlanta and Baldwin Closing to the Public June 28

There are 10 comments on the State of Michigan story from Jun 25, 2010, titled DNRE Field Offices in Atlanta and Baldwin Closing to the Public June 28. In it, State of Michigan reports that:

Contact: David Fisher 231-745-4651, Laurie Marzolo 989-785-4251, ext. 5240 or Debbie Munson Badini 906-226-1352 Agency: Natural Resources and Environment June 25, 2010 The Department of Natural Resources and Environment announced today that, due to administrative efficiencies, its field offices in Atlanta and Baldwin will close to the public ...

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Thoughts in the Wudz

Grand Rapids, MI

#1 Jul 27, 2010
Closing these or any of the MDNRE offices is another bullet in the chamber for shooting down our tourism here in the NE tip of the mitt. Granted, the field offices really aren't set up to be tourist info offices but the publics ideation of these offices's are just that.
We've got another burst on the prostitution of our natural resources such as timber, gas and oil taking more of the "natural" people expect to see with they visit our area.

To me, this is a show that the communities best interests are being forsaken. Let alone the health of the land.

Change with the times? Maybe some entrepreneur can start up as a tour guide enticing people to come up and see the gas well, compressor stations, clear cuts where there once stood a productive blueberry habitat. Or, for the action seekers they can go up to Hawks area and listen for seismograph explosions and watch helicopters flying around with a rope and bags doing GPS survey of the land and lake topography.(that is pretty coool to watch though)

It wasn't but 60-70 years ago that our national parks and forests were instrumental in helping the nation out of the grips of the depression. People came just to see nature in her glory.
The MDNRE needs to stop spending money on fancy desks and stationery and spend it on their employee's to keep them on the clock as so they can assist the travelers with their questions about what the woods have to offer them. Right now it's a bumper crop of blueberries and raspberries. Then the blackberries. Then the Elk Rut with the magestic bulls whistling their hearts out to their beloved. And then, and then, and then......

This is a burden on the local communities as it may discourage the curious visitor from sticking around for long if the local people they might encounter might not have the knowledge for the information sought or alluring.

The MDNRE needs to continue it's partnership with it's employer (which ultimately IS the public) to ensure a happy working relationship. Reduce the positions at the top, the ones at the bottom are the true cogs and draw the most sweat from their labors as with any other business.
IJFinsterwaldIII

Rochester, MI

#2 Jul 28, 2010
Well friend, you have some valid points, but does the MDNRE do as much or more damage to our rights as the good it does?

In case you've missed it, there are several clear cuts all over Montmorency County being put there under the auspices of the MDNRE. There are at least two ongoing for the last two or more years out by Rush Lake. There is a huge one up by Jonesville off County Road 628. So I guess I'd have to ask, what is MDNRE doing to stop the clear cutting? I'm not arguing for or against clear cuts, but you've made a strong point and I think you need to provide an answer to my question.

The E part of DNRE stands for Environment as we know. Sure seems to me that they don't give a damn about the "Environment" when it comes to those clear cuts. And those clear cut areas provide habitat for those animals you mentioned. I can guarantee you from personal experience that the "E" part has no problem trampling on your private property rights along with their whore friends like Bob Elliot the former Soil (in his evil pants) and Erosion fuehrer in the county.

I guess my point is, you might want to weigh it all out. I bet deer hunters might have a perspective on the DNRE and how it manages the deer population or lack thereof. Not trying to be confrontational, but the MDNRE doesn't recognize me as its employer because if it did, I'd fire it. I just get to pay for it with exorbitant taxes.
The Hedgehog

United States

#3 Jul 28, 2010
IJFinsterwaldIII wrote:
Well friend, you have some valid points, but does the MDNRE do as much or more damage to our rights as the good it does?
In case you've missed it, there are several clear cuts all over Montmorency County being put there under the auspices of the MDNRE. There are at least two ongoing for the last two or more years out by Rush Lake. There is a huge one up by Jonesville off County Road 628. So I guess I'd have to ask, what is MDNRE doing to stop the clear cutting? I'm not arguing for or against clear cuts, but you've made a strong point and I think you need to provide an answer to my question.
The E part of DNRE stands for Environment as we know. Sure seems to me that they don't give a damn about the "Environment" when it comes to those clear cuts. And those clear cut areas provide habitat for those animals you mentioned. I can guarantee you from personal experience that the "E" part has no problem trampling on your private property rights along with their whore friends like Bob Elliot the former Soil (in his evil pants) and Erosion fuehrer in the county.
I guess my point is, you might want to weigh it all out. I bet deer hunters might have a perspective on the DNRE and how it manages the deer population or lack thereof. Not trying to be confrontational, but the MDNRE doesn't recognize me as its employer because if it did, I'd fire it. I just get to pay for it with exorbitant taxes.
Is this the Bob Elliot who owns Atlanta U haul and Eager Beaver Storage? I think he resides on the Ranch>
IJFinsterwaldIII

Rochester, MI

#4 Jul 28, 2010
The Hedgehog wrote:
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Is this the Bob Elliot who owns Atlanta U haul and Eager Beaver Storage? I think he resides on the Ranch>
The very one. He also is/was one of the honchos of the local demoncrat party organization as I understand it. He was pretty chummy back in the day with the DEQ Commissar Laurie Silagy. DEQ is, of course, now part of DNRE.

The Hedgehog

United States

#5 Jul 29, 2010
IJFinsterwaldIII wrote:
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The very one. He also is/was one of the honchos of the local demoncrat party organization as I understand it. He was pretty chummy back in the day with the DEQ Commissar Laurie Silagy. DEQ is, of course, now part of DNRE.
Interesting, I talk with him and argue politics occasionally. I will say he is diffidently of the liberal persuasion, but didn't know he was a brown shirt/jackboot brigade member.
IJFinsterwaldIII

Rochester, MI

#6 Jul 29, 2010
The Hedgehog wrote:
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Interesting, I talk with him and argue politics occasionally. I will say he is diffidently of the liberal persuasion, but didn't know he was a brown shirt/jackboot brigade member.
I didn't mean to hijack Wudz's topic to promote my personal agenda. My point originally was to illustrate that organizations like DNRE can become homes to the brown shirt/jackboot brigade members. There's one in the Atlanta office for sure, he doesn't have any hair. They all seem to flock together in one way or another and use their taxpayer paid power to kick the crap out of us. Thus my original question not clearly stated, do we get as much good as we get bad from DNRE and other such taxpayer paid organizations that allegedly work for us.
IJFinsterwaldIII

Rochester, MI

#7 Jul 30, 2010
I was listening to an interview of a spokeswoman for the company involved in the oil spill clean up in the river down by Kalamazoo a couple of days ago. Recognizing that she was speaking on behalf of the company that owns the pipeline, she outlined what the company was doing to mitigate the issue. One of the things she pointed out was that their early efforts to stop the flow an clean up the mess was that they had to get permits from various state agencies.

What was Clueless Jenny and that area's congressman, Mark "Golden" Schauer doing? They were running around doing what democraps do best, trying to capitalize on a disaster at the expense of the citizens. Where was the DNRE that works for Clueless Jenny (it doesn't work for us)? No word as near as I can tell, probably setting up another clear cut operation somewhere.
Thoughts in the Wudz

Grand Rapids, MI

#8 Jul 30, 2010
IJFinsterwaldIII wrote:
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I didn't mean to hijack Wudz's topic to promote my personal agenda. My point originally was to illustrate that organizations like DNRE can become homes to the brown shirt/jackboot brigade members. There's one in the Atlanta office for sure, he doesn't have any hair. They all seem to flock together in one way or another and use their taxpayer paid power to kick the crap out of us. Thus my original question not clearly stated, do we get as much good as we get bad from DNRE and other such taxpayer paid organizations that allegedly work for us.
Thanks for the clarification of your initial post. I really don't have a clue about the balance of the good and bad we get out of the MDNRE. I've seen both sides and to me, it's a crap shoot. Ha! pun intended.

When attempting to get assistance to conscientious oil and gas extraction practices in our county I was faced with a ton of opposition at the top with Rick Henderson and Hal Fitch, however the geologists were receptive and followed up on the majority of my grievances and "tips" for identified leaks, spills and proper disposal of radioactive pipe. Often there was the "don't bite the nad that feeds you" syndrome, meaning that the state collects royalties from state owned leases and is reluctant to address many issues that in my opinion were/are vital to the health of the ecosystem and the pubic at large.
I love hugging trees and feel obligated to give back in thanks for the enjoyment and life that they give us freely.

(that goes for our tourism base too. We don't have to do much but maintain and tend to the land and tourists will continue to come. Take away the eye candy and core of what brings them to our area and we'll only falter. I am curious about how these cuttings and gas & oil activities have on critters like the wolves and cougars. Will these activities force them out in to the path of Joe and Jane Public? That could create an anomosity towards them and then threaten their very existence in the names sake of pubic safety. We can't have animals running wild out there! Oh the arrogance of man. Sheeesh)

Not much of an answer for you, but it's the best I got.
Thoughts in the Wudz

Grand Rapids, MI

#9 Jul 30, 2010
as for the political stand,,,, it doesn't matter what party is in control.( We got played by Engler on the oil and gas issues too)
They're both marinated in oil and gas and cover themselves in denero from the exploitation including that from the clear cuts.
I guess when it comes to the dollar, even the purist heart is tempted to be tainted by it's allure.

"The LOVE of money is ..."
hey

Kansas City, KS

#10 Mar 12, 2011
hey, they said that we DO have wolf here

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