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whatever
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Mr Bill wrote: <quoted text>
I never wrote that you were Brock's mother. I wrote that "DEF's" continual use of the name Robin when refering to Brock's mother was intended as an insult. Oh that's right!! He and wasted days started all of this . Sorry, it's hard to keep up sometimes. I apologize. He and wasted I really do believe are in fact involved in a way with these two people , Peter and Ice. So , I guess it's only fair, they keep calling me Robin , I just keep my thoughts that they are Ice and Peter. DeF definately has a problem with this whole case and tries to keep the focus off of Ice and Peter. He did agree , but that was to throw people off track. He is however himself a broken record.
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Tragedy
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Everybody suffers on this one. Brock was no more evil than any other teenager out there. It appears to me a lot of teenagers seem bent towards self destruction without being aware of it. I will not judge what should happen but let the court do that.
Why no outrage over the armed robbers,rapists, child pornographers, that walk away or were never arrested?
Why no outrage paying Bear Sterne's with your tax money to stay in business Wall Street style with the outrageous salary's they receive.
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Wasted days Wasted nights
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whatever wrote: <quoted text>
Oh that's right!! He and wasted days started all of this. Wrong Robin. Actually Joyce (post #1) started all of this. I think she hit the nail on the head from the first post. JOYCE wrote: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS KID SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT HE DID.HIS MOM NEEDS TO PUT HERSELF IN THE SHOES OF THE TWO HER SON KILLED AND SEE HOW SHE WOULD FEEL.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY SHE HAS NOT TOLD THE FAMILYS HOW SORRY SHE IS FOR WHAT HER SON DID.I HAVE TEENAGERS AND I LOST MY MOM AND DAD BOTH AND I DONT DRINK AND DRIVE.EVERYONE FEELS SORRY FOR THIS KID BECAUSE HIS DAD PASTED AWAY A FEW YEARS AGO,LET GO OF THAT AND REALIZE THAT THIS KID KILLED TWO PEOPLE.WAKE UP AND REALIZE THIS KID TORE TWO FAMILYS A PART BESIDES HIS OWN NOW ITS ALL ABOUT HIM LOSING HIS DAD,THAT BULL. And my only interest in the rest of Brock's thug friends from the party is that they pay their due in the civil case. If you can somehow convince a judge to rescind the plea agreements they got for giving testimony against Brock, the more power to you. But as Mr Bill likes to say, "that would be doubtful."
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Wasted days Wasted nights
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Mr Bill wrote: <quoted text>
I never wrote that you were Brock's mother. I wrote that "DEF's" continual use of the name Robin when refering to Brock's mother was intended as an insult. Oh but you did. You slipped back at post #1922 and referred to her as Robin. Mr Bill wrote: <quoted text>
The truth is you are getting your jollys by tormenting the Franklin family. There isnt anything more to your comments.
Right Robin?
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Wasted days Wasted nights
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Tragedy wrote: I will not judge what should happen but let the court do that. Thanks, he got 15 years.
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Mr Bill
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Wasted days Wasted nights wrote: <quoted text>
Wrong Robin.
Actually Joyce (post #1) started all of this. I think she hit the nail on the head from the first post.
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And my only interest in the rest of Brock's thug friends from the party is that they pay their due in the civil case. If you can somehow convince a judge to rescind the plea agreements they got for giving testimony against Brock, the more power to you. But as Mr Bill likes to say, "that would be doubtful." What is it, mis quote Mr. Bill night? And how can poster named "Joyce" have hit the nail on the head? She keeps moving it to the point of dizzyness.
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Mr Bill
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Wasted days Wasted nights wrote: <quoted text>
Oh but you did. You slipped back at post #1922 and referred to her as Robin.
<quoted text> I was needling DEF or You or Wasted Def.
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Mr Bill
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Watch this. 1. Chad Wilson responding to someone who wrote Brock was a good kid. "One thing you are wrong. I have met him. You are right though I know that teens drink. I did it, I was just smart enough not to get behind the wheel of a car and think "nothing can happen to me." MORE FROM CHAD "I think you are full of crap. he should be punished. hey ask the two people he killed how good of a kid he is? I do not care who he is. he drank and he was so drunk he ended up going the wrong way down 485. I can see his type a typical punk who thinks he can get away with everything, I see them everyday at work." THEN THIS "even though I have met him only once and very briefly that is not enough to form an opinion about his personality. I have however seen his myspace page and that does not help the case to prove he is a "good kid". NOW EXPERT CHAD ADMITS HE ONLY MET THE KID ONCE "AND BRIEFLY". HE ALSO ADMITS TO DRINKING AS A TEEN BUT OF COURSE BRILLIANT OLD CHAD WOULD NEVER THINK OF DRIVING (WINK!) This is the kind of crap you get from people who think their opinions should replace truth. Now watch this last doozy by good old Chad.He makes several claims/questions but he has no way of knowing if what he writes is even true. He also shows that he's completely baffled by the idea that someone at the party "drugged" BF. Good old expert Chad states that this wouldnt make any difference to your blood alcohol level! No but it might effect your nervous system, brain function etc! Chad also makes the claim that BF was drinking prior to the party. Does he know this or is he just showing how blind he is to his own state of mind? QUOTE: If someone had slipped something in his two drinks then why was there beer cans all over the scene of the wreck? Maybe someone did slip something in his drink, but with the knbowledge that he was drinking before arriving at the party and the fact that two drinks is still too much if you are under age does not help. Also having something slipped in your drink will not increase your blood alchohol level unless they of courase slipped slipped more beer or liquor. It also seems as if you know who did the slipping so why don't you come forward. if you know and do not tell you aer just as guilty as them and much more of a coward. This is a terrible way to dispense justice. We shouldnt allow a mob of Vox Populi the right to call thumbs up or down. Especially when we have thousands of postings that show outside of rage and false sense of morality these "plebs" seeking their bread and circus dont really know anything! Least of all their own minds.
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think people
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Yes they are.... I know someone in ATL that was drugged by a female at a bar that robbed him when he passed out! Do you not keep up with anything except this story? People do get drugged more often than you think.
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think people wrote: Yes they are.... I know someone in ATL that was drugged by a female at a bar that robbed him when he passed out! Do you not keep up with anything except this story? People do get drugged more often than you think. And passed out !! That's the whole point !! Yes , it does happen a lot. But , people do not take that into consideration. Passed out !! You said.
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think people
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Your point is?!?!?!
And we are still making excuses for the 18 year old that decided to drink when he knew it was illegal..... bad choice right off!
Then you dont have a valid argument that he was drugged. You keep saying that he was drugged. Drugged with what? He was still concience enough to make a decision to drive that night.
Bottom line.... 2 innocent people were killed and the driver that killed them has to be held accountable.
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def
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In Brock's case, he still got behind the wheel of his jeep and drove it head-on into another vehicle. His BAC was above the legal limit. And he was under the legal age for drinking.
For the sake of this argument I will even concede Mr Bill's point that it may have been vehicular manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder...sentence would have been the same.
LEGALLY, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO HIM DRIVING ONTO I-485. THEY ARE SEPARATE INCIDENTS.
Even if Brock had drugs in his body, whose to say he didn't voluntarily take them. Several people at the party were. Brock's myspace page included self admission of past drug use. He had every motive to deny that he took drugs...it was illegal.
IT STILL WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE HE WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DRIVING.
He made the decision to drive and he is accountable for that decision.
It appears that you want to argue that he was so drunk or wasted that he didn't know he was driving. Therefore he is not accountable. Sorry that's not how the law works or should work. Otherwise if you are going to drink and drive...you better get so drunk to the point that you are not aware of what you are doing...because if you drive then, you can't be held accountable for it. Sorry, that law will never be passed or should it.
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Mr Bill
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Did the collision occur in the center of a highway lane,with both cars traveling in opposite direction? How fast were the two cars traveling? Did either driver swerve or break in an attempt to avoid a collision? Had the driver of the other car been drinking? Where was he coming from and where was he traveling to? Did Charlotte authorities try to determine the answers to any of these questions? I cant find anything on the accident.
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def
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Maybe you should contact the prosecutors office and request that information under the FOI act. Or maybe you are a party to the civil case and you should have access to that information. They typically don't publish that type of info. on the web.
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Mr Bill
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def wrote: Maybe you should contact the prosecutors office and request that information under the FOI act. Or maybe you are a party to the civil case and you should have access to that information. They typically don't publish that type of info. on the web. Well I think you provided a 51 page transcript between ALE agent, Godenow, Laughrun and BF. I thought if that was public information then why would they not release some of actual details of the crash itself? Outside of this transcript (which they released to the public) focused soley on the teen drinking parties they dont really know the details of the accident? I guess they handled that "murder scene" differently than they normally would. Where had Richard Bryant been the night of the accident?
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Mr Bill
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I just watched an archived WSOC video; authorities were issued a warrant and dispatched to grab evidence in the fatal wrong way collision.
According to the report authorities confiscated a "cell phone" belonging to one of the party go'ers that reportedly contained pictures of a marijuana plant along with a "picture" of a weapon being discharged.
I wonder how authorities planned to tie the "picture" of marijuana plant to the "murder" case they were developing against Franklin?
Does anyone have any ideas?
How fast were the auto's traveling and where were they when they collided?
We'll have to wonder if anyone ever took the time to find out.
Keep in mind authorities had a grand jury indictment for 2 counts of murder against Franklin. They decided to confiscate "cell phones" containing a picture of a "pot plant" as part of their murder case! Kudo's to Marsha Goodenow. She should win the Sherlock Holmes award.
It makes for good local TV though doesnt it?
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Mr Bill
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Maybe Rick Mason knows the details of the accident?
Here's Rick's comments:(he's hoping all these accidents are just a coincidence, but he's never seen anything like this rash of wrong way crashes in 25 years)
"I can’t believe it, not again," said Rick Mason.
Mason investigates interstate fatalities. He said his job has been difficult lately.
Wrong way signs, and indications like wrong way drivers seeing the headlights of oncoming cars and seeing the backs of billboards, are not enough for some drunk drivers.
"It's the impaired driver we can't get the attention of," he said.
Mason is not sure what changes need to be made, but he said there is only one clear solution.
"The obvious way to (stop these accidents is to) avoid getting behind the wheel after drinking," said Mason.
He also said he's hoping these four wrong way crashes within four months is a coincidence, though he's never seen anything like this in his 25 years with the state.
Mason said Monday he will begin a field investigation into this case.
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Mr Bill
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http://www.wsoctv.com/news/13354245/detail.ht... Did they conduct a toxicology report for the driver of the other auto in the BF crash?
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think people
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The toxicology reports would reveal that and its not public information.
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Mr Bill
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think people wrote: The toxicology reports would reveal that and its not public information. Then why was such a toxicology report in the enclosed news report that I attached to my message? "Think People"
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