Teacher Evaluations
WANNABE

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Apr 17, 2013
Should teacher's salaries, and/or increases to such, be tied to performance evaluations just like the rest of the world?

Since: Jul 11

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#2 Apr 17, 2013
They are professionals treat them as such, with increased pay and expectations.
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#3 Apr 17, 2013
WANNABE wrote:
Should teacher's salaries, and/or increases to such, be tied to performance evaluations just like the rest of the world?
Were Wall Street Executives salary/bonus' based on
"performance Evaluations" in the collapse of 2008-2009?
You can't make all inclusive statements like that.
They sound good and cause emotional response in some people,but are NOT reality.
just curious

Fort Collins, CO

#4 Apr 18, 2013
WANNABE wrote:
Should teacher's salaries, and/or increases to such, be tied to performance evaluations just like the rest of the world?
Whose performance? Teachers' or students'. Are you evaluating dentist's based on how many cavities their patient's have? Or physicians based on the number of sick patients?
Nobody's evaluation should be based on factors beyond their control. It seems recently popular understanding of learning and teaching places full responsibility for the outcomes exclusively on teachers. Where are the students or parents in this equation? Where is society as a whole?
And are you really saying that performance is the basis for evaluations in the rest of the world? If that was the case nobody who worked on Wall Street before 2008 should be still working there. And every member of Congress should be gone.
TOOOBVIOUS

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Apr 18, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Were Wall Street Executives salary/bonus' based on
"performance Evaluations" in the collapse of 2008-2009?
You can't make all inclusive statements like that.
They sound good and cause emotional response in some people,but are NOT reality.
Seriously??? That is your response? You are obviously a stupid teacher! Of course the Wall Street Executives were evaluated and held accountable? Just like most of you ignorant, inadequate, fools should too! Don’t you watch the new? Or can you read? This is a PRIME example of why we are failing as a nation.We have a league of fools who could not become Wall Street Executives, who chose between ditch digger and teacher, and are now educating our kids!
TOOOBVIOUS

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Apr 18, 2013
just curious wrote:
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Whose performance? Teachers' or students'. Are you evaluating dentist's based on how many cavities their patient's have? Or physicians based on the number of sick patients?
Nobody's evaluation should be based on factors beyond their control. It seems recently popular understanding of learning and teaching places full responsibility for the outcomes exclusively on teachers. Where are the students or parents in this equation? Where is society as a whole?
And are you really saying that performance is the basis for evaluations in the rest of the world? If that was the case nobody who worked on Wall Street before 2008 should be still working there. And every member of Congress should be gone.
Allright? What exactly are the job expections of a teacher?
just curious

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Apr 19, 2013
TOOOBVIOUS wrote:
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Allright? What exactly are the job expections of a teacher?
To help students learn and to create a climate where that learning can occur. Without students taking responsibility for their own learning teachers are powerless.
The best predictor of educational outcomes is a socio-economic status of parents. We all know it, but nobody wants to deal with it. It's much easier to blame teachers.
If the society wants educational outcomes like the ones in Finland it is time to provide all children with universal healthcare, universal pre-school, more recess time and much less testing.
If we used the money we are spending on standardized tests for our schools, all our children would fare much better. It is time to feed the elephant instead of just weighing it.
Somehow, before we had NCLB, all these bad teachers managed to educate generations of global leaders in science, economy, and other fields. How could that happen without all that testing and evaluating teachers on students' performance?
Wondering

Farmington, NM

#8 Apr 19, 2013
TOOOBVIOUS wrote:
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Seriously??? That is your response? You are obviously a stupid teacher! Of course the Wall Street Executives were evaluated and held accountable? Just like most of you ignorant, inadequate, fools should too! Don’t you watch the new? Or can you read? This is a PRIME example of why we are failing as a nation.We have a league of fools who could not become Wall Street Executives, who chose between ditch digger and teacher, and are now educating our kids!
You present yourself as being very familiar with Performance Evaluations. Were YOU ever evaluated? If so, there was undoubtably a category for "COMMUNICATIONS--BOTH VERBAL AND WRITTEN". You had to have recieved an "UNSATISFACTORY" rating in this category. You really sound like a piece of work!!!
WHOOHOO

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Apr 20, 2013
An evaluation process in going to be in place soon! It will attempt to force teacher's to be held accountable for their students successes in the classroom. This means they may have to get off their asses and pay attention to what is going on. Like the REST OF THE GD WORLD! Schools, just like the post office, should be run like a business. If a business is not successul, it fails. Our schools are failing and no one desires to hold anyone accountable but the kids and their parents, who are out their working at THEIR OWN JOBS! Foolish. Go Suzanna! Please continue to try to turn things around for us. WE NEED YOU AND YOUR BRAIN! BTW- Mrs. Martinez should be an example for female educators everywhere! Stop letting the men around you take your backbone away. Just exactly who is in charge? Think about it?
RedSeaGraySky

United States

#10 Apr 20, 2013
Mrs. Martinez should be an example for female educators everywhere! Stop letting the men around you take your backbone away. Just exactly who is in charge? Think about it?
Farmington Municipal Schools has a female Superintendent of Schools--Janel Ryan.
wondering

Como, CO

#11 Apr 21, 2013
WHOOHOO wrote:
An evaluation process in going to be in place soon! It will attempt to force teacher's to be held accountable for their students successes in the classroom. This means they may have to get off their asses and pay attention to what is going on. Like the REST OF THE GD WORLD! Schools, just like the post office, should be run like a business. If a business is not successul, it fails. Our schools are failing and no one desires to hold anyone accountable but the kids and their parents, who are out their working at THEIR OWN JOBS! Foolish. Go Suzanna! Please continue to try to turn things around for us. WE NEED YOU AND YOUR BRAIN! BTW- Mrs. Martinez should be an example for female educators everywhere! Stop letting the men around you take your backbone away. Just exactly who is in charge? Think about it?
The parents chose to have kids. The responsibility for the kids is theirs. At the secondary level a teacher sees his/her students for an hour a day. Why would anyone think that teachers could compensate for everything that happens to children during other 16-18 hours.
You and your hero governor are confusing students with products. Schools are not making products, they are dealing with human beings that come from different backgrounds and situations. It is impossible to run them like a business.
TheObvious

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Apr 21, 2013
It's about the job stupid. The job description is that of TEACHER! It is not about the other 16-18 hours a day. It is about the 3 or 4 hours they work every day. There are measures and evaluations for almost every profession. Yes she is a hero!
father of two

Como, CO

#13 Apr 21, 2013
TheObvious wrote:
It's about the job stupid. The job description is that of TEACHER! It is not about the other 16-18 hours a day. It is about the 3 or 4 hours they work every day. There are measures and evaluations for almost every profession. Yes she is a hero!
You have no idea what are you talking about. You cannot evaluate someone based on someone else's performance. Teachers have no control over how students perform on tests. Especially, on tests that mean nothing to them. Students are tested to oblivion, and they couldn't care less about the scores.
Anybody in the right mind wouldn't care if there is nothing in stake. And good teaching has nothing to do with the test prep, which is what we reduced it to. Additionally,these tests are very badly designed and they do not evaluate students very well, to say nothing about teachers.
I bet that not only your hero Martinez wouldn't pass the 11th grade test, but most of the adult population of New Mexico, including the clowns in the Legislature.
My kids lost more than 40 days of school to testing this year. That is almost a quarter of the school year.This is pure insanity and is only going to get worse. Now they will be tested in PE, music, and art, because this is how their teachers will be evaluated.
You, obviously, do not care about the teachers, but I do care about my kids' education, and under this governor education of our kids is going to get dramatically worse. No teacher or parent should ever vote for her.
Judge

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Apr 22, 2013
Teacher's have become part of the 'entitlement' mindset. Teacher's should be held to the same or even higher standards than other professionals. Teacher's are 'professionals' right? A true professonal will have no issue with being held accountable for their performance.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#15 Apr 22, 2013
father of two wrote:
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You have no idea what are you talking about. You cannot evaluate someone based on someone else's performance. Teachers have no control over how students perform on tests. Especially, on tests that mean nothing to them. Students are tested to oblivion, and they couldn't care less about the scores.
Anybody in the right mind wouldn't care if there is nothing in stake. And good teaching has nothing to do with the test prep, which is what we reduced it to. Additionally,these tests are very badly designed and they do not evaluate students very well, to say nothing about teachers.
I bet that not only your hero Martinez wouldn't pass the 11th grade test, but most of the adult population of New Mexico, including the clowns in the Legislature.
My kids lost more than 40 days of school to testing this year. That is almost a quarter of the school year.This is pure insanity and is only going to get worse. Now they will be tested in PE, music, and art, because this is how their teachers will be evaluated.
You, obviously, do not care about the teachers, but I do care about my kids' education, and under this governor education of our kids is going to get dramatically worse. No teacher or parent should ever vote for her.
If we don't included in the evaluation the end product of a teachers profession which is educated children, what exactly are they doing there? A glorified and well paid day care worker?

I have seen quite a number of teachers who act just that way, maybe they have given up, are burnt out, or just lazy. There needs to be a way to move these people out of a profession that they are not meeting the standards for.
curious

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Apr 22, 2013
Judge wrote:
Teacher's have become part of the 'entitlement' mindset. Teacher's should be held to the same or even higher standards than other professionals. Teacher's are 'professionals' right? A true professonal will have no issue with being held accountable for their performance.
Here is a key word: "their performance". I don't think you would find a teacher objecting to have his/her performance evaluated. It is a different story when their evaluation is based on someone else's performance. There are so many factors beyond teachers' control that decide how students perform on tests, that this whole idea is a pure nonsense. It is just sad that public is so brainwashed as to not see the obvious. I guess it is much easier to blame teachers for the failure of society, than to look in the mirror.
Judge

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Apr 22, 2013
curious wrote:
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Here is a key word: "their performance". I don't think you would find a teacher objecting to have his/her performance evaluated. It is a different story when their evaluation is based on someone else's performance. There are so many factors beyond teachers' control that decide how students perform on tests, that this whole idea is a pure nonsense. It is just sad that public is so brainwashed as to not see the obvious. I guess it is much easier to blame teachers for the failure of society, than to look in the mirror.
A teacher who can "teach" all types of kids- with different backgrounds, home circumstances, learning abilities, etc., will have no issue with being evaluated on his or her performance, because they will be doing "their" job. A teacher who does not either know how to accomplish this or is resistant to do so, because it too HARD, will get an "F" on their evaluation.
RIGHTON

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Jun 3, 2013
RedSeaGraySky wrote:
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Farmington Municipal Schools has a female Superintendent of Schools--Janel Ryan.
Janel Ryan is great example of a true professional. The other woman should follow her example and stop letting men lead HER around like SHE is a bull with a ring in HER nose.

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