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Whitman

Martinsville, VA

#1 Oct 16, 2013
The Legacy of Johnny Robertson

Beloved brethren, there are lessons to be learned from the life of Johnny Robertson. Few question his zeal. He spends his life devoted to promoting ‘his vision’ of God's will for the church. Unfortunately, for the bulk of his life he has failed to grasp God's purpose! Ignorant of God’s grace, and the freedom one has in Christ Jesus, Johnny Robertson proclaims a religion of rigidity, and perhaps does more than any other individual to bring about deep divisions. Like the apostle Peter, who wept bitterly after denying Jesus Christ, maybe Johnny Robertson will spend his latter days of his life lamenting his years of misguided maliciousness. Sadly, he is unable to undo the harm he has inflicted upon the church, and the fruit of his labor is evident in the rigid, legalistic, patternistic wing of the churches of Christ. Johnny Robertson sowed his seed well, and the tares that have grown up all around us today are the tragic result of his decades of devotion to division.

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#2 Oct 16, 2013
Whitman wrote:
The Legacy of Johnny Robertson
Beloved brethren, there are lessons to be learned from the life of Johnny Robertson. Few question his zeal. He spends his life devoted to promoting ‘his vision’ of God's will for the church. Unfortunately, for the bulk of his life he has failed to grasp God's purpose! Ignorant of God’s grace, and the freedom one has in Christ Jesus, Johnny Robertson proclaims a religion of rigidity, and perhaps does more than any other individual to bring about deep divisions. Like the apostle Peter, who wept bitterly after denying Jesus Christ, maybe Johnny Robertson will spend his latter days of his life lamenting his years of misguided maliciousness. Sadly, he is unable to undo the harm he has inflicted upon the church, and the fruit of his labor is evident in the rigid, legalistic, patternistic wing of the churches of Christ. Johnny Robertson sowed his seed well, and the tares that have grown up all around us today are the tragic result of his decades of devotion to division.
Im confuse withman, you claim hes doing harm on the church? I thought you believed his group is not the church? What freedom are you speaking of that is found in Christ that he is ignorant of?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#3 Oct 16, 2013
Nice play Whit. Just take out Daniel Sommer and insert JR. Fits well.

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#6 Oct 16, 2013
Whitman:

JC just asks questions. That is how they are taught in COC 101 studies.

The question he asked you has been answered 2000 years ago.

From the CCC: Summary version.

IN BRIEF

1743 "God willed that man should be left in the hand of his own counsel (cf. Sir 15:14), so that he might of his own accord seek his creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him" (GS 17 § 1).

1744 Freedom is the power to act or not to act, and so to perform deliberate acts of one's own. Freedom attains perfection in its acts when directed toward God, the sovereign Good.

1745 Freedom characterizes properly human acts. It makes the human being responsible for acts of which he is the voluntary agent. His deliberate acts properly belong to him.

1746 The imputability or responsibility for an action can be diminished or nullified by ignorance, duress, fear, and other psychological or social factors.

1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man. But the exercise of freedom does not entail the putative right to say or do anything.

1748 "For freedom Christ has set us free" (Gal 5:1).

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#7 Oct 16, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Whitman:
JC just asks questions. That is how they are taught in COC 101 studies.
The question he asked you has been answered 2000 years ago.
From the CCC: Summary version.
IN BRIEF
1743 "God willed that man should be left in the hand of his own counsel (cf. Sir 15:14), so that he might of his own accord seek his creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him" (GS 17 § 1).
1744 Freedom is the power to act or not to act, and so to perform deliberate acts of one's own. Freedom attains perfection in its acts when directed toward God, the sovereign Good.
1745 Freedom characterizes properly human acts. It makes the human being responsible for acts of which he is the voluntary agent. His deliberate acts properly belong to him.
1746 The imputability or responsibility for an action can be diminished or nullified by ignorance, duress, fear, and other psychological or social factors.
1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man. But the exercise of freedom does not entail the putative right to say or do anything.
1748 "For freedom Christ has set us free" (Gal 5:1).
Yep I ask questions to learn unlike catholics whom have no such freedom. And there is the answer, I have freedom you do not.

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#8 Oct 16, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text> Yep I ask questions to learn unlike catholics whom have no such freedom. And there is the answer, I have freedom you do not.
Freedom to do what? Divide up the body of Christ? You are doing a good job.

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#9 Oct 16, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Freedom to do what? Divide up the body of Christ? You are doing a good job.
You forgot to enlighten me on Freedom in Christ. Or do you not know.

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#10 Oct 16, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>You forgot to enlighten me on Freedom in Christ. Or do you not know.
Just quoted you from the CCC. Everything you need to know on what the CC teaches is online. Everything it has taught for 2000 years. The minutes of all the Councils are there.

Please give me just one writing from 1 person with your belief system from AD 100 and AD 1700.

Come on seriously, do you honestly believe that the COC existed since the 1st century and there is zero proof of it.

Your parents told you a lie that they were taught.

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#11 Oct 17, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Just quoted you from the CCC. Everything you need to know on what the CC teaches is online. Everything it has taught for 2000 years. The minutes of all the Councils are there.
Please give me just one writing from 1 person with your belief system from AD 100 and AD 1700.
Come on seriously, do you honestly believe that the COC existed since the 1st century and there is zero proof of it.
Your parents told you a lie that they were taught.
Yep the church and still does existed unless God lied through Christ.

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#12 Oct 17, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Just quoted you from the CCC. Everything you need to know on what the CC teaches is online. Everything it has taught for 2000 years. The minutes of all the Councils are there.
Please give me just one writing from 1 person with your belief system from AD 100 and AD 1700.
Come on seriously, do you honestly believe that the COC existed since the 1st century and there is zero proof of it.
Your parents told you a lie that they were taught.
So what does all that mean to you are can you not tell us what you think Freedom in Christ means

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#13 Oct 17, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Whitman:
JC just asks questions. That is how they are taught in COC 101 studies.
The question he asked you has been answered 2000 years ago.
From the CCC: Summary version.
IN BRIEF
1743 "God willed that man should be left in the hand of his own counsel (cf. Sir 15:14), so that he might of his own accord seek his creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him" (GS 17 § 1).
1744 Freedom is the power to act or not to act, and so to perform deliberate acts of one's own. Freedom attains perfection in its acts when directed toward God, the sovereign Good.
1745 Freedom characterizes properly human acts. It makes the human being responsible for acts of which he is the voluntary agent. His deliberate acts properly belong to him.
1746 The imputability or responsibility for an action can be diminished or nullified by ignorance, duress, fear, and other psychological or social factors.
1747 The right to the exercise of freedom, especially in religious and moral matters, is an inalienable requirement of the dignity of man. But the exercise of freedom does not entail the putative right to say or do anything.
1748 "For freedom Christ has set us free" (Gal 5:1).
1748 "For freedom Christ has set us free" (Gal 5:1).

From what are you set Free?

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#14 Oct 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
1748 "For freedom Christ has set us free" (Gal 5:1).
From what are you set Free?
Sin for 1 thing.

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.”

CCC:

The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, the subject of this freedom, is an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods ... By deviating from the moral law, man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth.(CCC 1740)

From Jesus:

Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him,“If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” They answered him,“We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How is it that you say,‘You will be made free’?” Jesus answered them,“Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.”(Jn 8:31-36)

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#15 Oct 17, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Sin for 1 thing.
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.”
CCC:
The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, the subject of this freedom, is an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods ... By deviating from the moral law, man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth.(CCC 1740)
From Jesus:
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him,“If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” They answered him,“We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How is it that you say,‘You will be made free’?” Jesus answered them,“Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.”(Jn 8:31-36)
Who taught you that?

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#16 Oct 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Yep the church and still does existed unless God lied through Christ.
Yes, the Church still exists. Too bad you are not a part of it.
Proud Catholic

Birmingham, AL

#17 Oct 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
Who taught you that?
The Pillar and Foundation of Truth.

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#18 Oct 17, 2013
Proud Catholic wrote:
<quoted text>
The Pillar and Foundation of Truth.
Amen brother.

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#19 Oct 22, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Amen brother.
lol

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#20 Oct 22, 2013
Proud Catholic wrote:
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The Pillar and Foundation of Truth.
Thats not what Christ or the apostles claimed sorry. Have to start with this for you to properly understand whom would be teaching.

17 And the [e]book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the [f]book and found the place where it was written,

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
19 To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”

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#21 Oct 22, 2013
Johnny Robertson will keep breathing threats against Christians and hunting them for persecution until he dies an old bitter man. No one apart from his tiny cult of mostly his family will mourn him.

That is the legacy of Johnny Robertson. His "works" won't outlive him.
johnny robertson

Dallas, TX

#22 Nov 18, 2013
I have no legacy, Christ is King. To be forgotten is fine with me as long as the cause of Christ continues to be alive. Jesus never came to create denominations of this we can be certain. he never gave denims a hint of approval. For this announcement I am hated. Yet I am in good company, since Paul condemned them too. 1Cor 1:10

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