Protestantism and Preacher men

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#1 Jul 29, 2014
I had an interesting, but not uncommon , discussion with a protester acquaintance of mine this weekend.
She belongs to non Catholic ecclesial community. A few weeks ago her preacher man gave a sermon and somehow intertwined that book series Twilight into the sermon. I believe that has something to do with vampires.
Apparently, it didnt go over well with some of dues paying members so they held an impeachment vote by the members . Is that what you protesters call it?
The preacher man beat the rap by a 60% to 40% vote. However, the community membership dropped by 40% also.

What side was God on? Majority I guess.

Is this Jesus' plan?

She was mortified about the whole process. She lost a bunch of friends.

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#2 Jul 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
I had an interesting, but not uncommon , discussion with a protester acquaintance of mine this weekend.
She belongs to non Catholic ecclesial community. A few weeks ago her preacher man gave a sermon and somehow intertwined that book series Twilight into the sermon. I believe that has something to do with vampires.
Apparently, it didnt go over well with some of dues paying members so they held an impeachment vote by the members . Is that what you protesters call it?
The preacher man beat the rap by a 60% to 40% vote. However, the community membership dropped by 40% also.
What side was God on? Majority I guess.
Is this Jesus' plan?
She was mortified about the whole process. She lost a bunch of friends.
Any explanations from this experience. I know this is common in you communities.

Do you think , this is what Jesus had in mind when he established his Church.
William

Birmingham, AL

#3 Jul 30, 2014
"A few weeks ago her preacher man gave a sermon and somehow intertwined that book series Twilight into the sermon. I believe that has something to do with vampires."

Probably was the best unintended sermon ever given about preachers and priests.

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#4 Jul 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
I had an interesting, but not uncommon , discussion with a protester acquaintance of mine this weekend.
She belongs to non Catholic ecclesial community. A few weeks ago her preacher man gave a sermon and somehow intertwined that book series Twilight into the sermon. I believe that has something to do with vampires.
Apparently, it didnt go over well with some of dues paying members so they held an impeachment vote by the members . Is that what you protesters call it?
The preacher man beat the rap by a 60% to 40% vote. However, the community membership dropped by 40% also.
What side was God on? Majority I guess.
Is this Jesus' plan?
She was mortified about the whole process. She lost a bunch of friends.
The biblical model has Elders watching the teaching to the flock. That doesnt fit your plan either but it is biblical.

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#5 Jul 30, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>The biblical model has Elders watching the teaching to the flock. That doesnt fit your plan either but it is biblical.
So the elders vote and then 40% leave. Your democracy is more like America's representative form of government. Are the elders elected by dues paying member?

Jesus left us a Kingdom. That is biblical. No democracy.
Barnsweb

Lewis Center, OH

#6 Jul 31, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>The biblical model has Elders watching the teaching to the flock. That doesnt fit your plan either but it is biblical.
More correctly, the model of Paul.

Jesus said He is to lead in all things, and He does this through His words, which all will be judged by - whether they keep and abide in His word - or if they refuse His word on any matter He taught about.

Isn't it in Matthew 23 where Jesus said He was sending Prophets, Scribes and Wise Men?

What Church has these? Certainly not the guy preaching vampires:-) Most people like to hear stories that tickle their ears and make them feel like they are saved - then according to His actual teachings, they will be told "Depart from Me, I never knew you."

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#7 Jul 31, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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So the elders vote and then 40% leave. Your democracy is more like America's representative form of government. Are the elders elected by dues paying member?
Jesus left us a Kingdom. That is biblical. No democracy.
Elders dont vote in the biblical model And our members unlike yours are not paying members. How much do you have to pay to be a good catholic?

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#8 Jul 31, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Elders dont vote in the biblical model And our members unlike yours are not paying members. How much do you have to pay to be a good catholic?
The point is the form of administration of low end protestant communities as congregations is not even close to being biblical.
The sheep are in charge of the "Shepherd". American low enders get American democracy and Kingdom of God confused all the time.
1800 inventions. Satan let loose his wolves in the 1500s and since they were devouring each other so bad, he let loose another pack in 1800.
The Great Awakenings.

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#9 Jul 31, 2014
Bobby said something the other day that drives this home.

I asked him about his preacher. He said he thought they were on the same page.

Once they get off the same page, Bobby is off , or the preacher.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#10 Jul 31, 2014
I don't think God created us as mindless clones. But if he did that could be Mike's problem since he can't think outside of the catholic box.

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#11 Jul 31, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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The point is the form of administration of low end protestant communities as congregations is not even close to being biblical.
The sheep are in charge of the "Shepherd". American low enders get American democracy and Kingdom of God confused all the time.
1800 inventions. Satan let loose his wolves in the 1500s and since they were devouring each other so bad, he let loose another pack in 1800.
The Great Awakenings.
It is the biblical model to have Elders and deacons. Not popes and priest.

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#12 Jul 31, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>It is the biblical model to have Elders and deacons. Not popes and priest.
In Greek, the word for elder is presbuteros. That word was transliterated into Latin as presbyter, which then in English became shortened to priest. That's why you never hear about "Catholic elders." It is because Catholic priests are Catholics elders. That's what the word "priest" means; it is simply a shortened English form of presbuteros. You can check any dictionary you want to confirm this.

The main issue is how are priests (elders) created in the Bible. Remember it is the Kingdom of God.

One example: In Titus 1:5, Paul tells Titus: "For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldst ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee."

Titus, being a Bishop, ordains the priests in every city of his diocese. Nothing has changed.

It is called Apostolic succession.

No such thing as the sheep running the farm in a Kingdom.

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#13 Aug 5, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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In Greek, the word for elder is presbuteros. That word was transliterated into Latin as presbyter, which then in English became shortened to priest. That's why you never hear about "Catholic elders." It is because Catholic priests are Catholics elders. That's what the word "priest" means; it is simply a shortened English form of presbuteros. You can check any dictionary you want to confirm this.
The main issue is how are priests (elders) created in the Bible. Remember it is the Kingdom of God.
One example: In Titus 1:5, Paul tells Titus: "For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldst ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee."
Titus, being a Bishop, ordains the priests in every city of his diocese. Nothing has changed.
It is called Apostolic succession.
No such thing as the sheep running the farm in a Kingdom.
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These terms — elder, bishop, and pastor — are used of the same service in the church. These words describe a man who is older and experienced in the faith (i.e., an elder); a person who is a decision-maker, manager of church affairs, and leader (i.e., bishop); and one who maintains a careful watch for the spiritual needs of all the members of the flock (i.e., a pastor).

When other passages are considered, we learn that pastors, bishops, or elders must meet scriptural qualifications (1 Tim. 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9), and they serve in a plurality over a single congregation (Titus 1:5; Acts 14:23; 1 Pet. 5:1-2). Now do your priest meet those qualifications?

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#14 Aug 5, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text> These terms — elder, bishop, and pastor — are used of the same service in the church. These words describe a man who is older and experienced in the faith (i.e., an elder); a person who is a decision-maker, manager of church affairs, and leader (i.e., bishop); and one who maintains a careful watch for the spiritual needs of all the members of the flock (i.e., a pastor).
When other passages are considered, we learn that pastors, bishops, or elders must meet scriptural qualifications (1 Tim. 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9), and they serve in a plurality over a single congregation (Titus 1:5; Acts 14:23; 1 Pet. 5:1-2). Now do your priest meet those qualifications?
Which ones don't they meet?

he first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which was the true Church and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants.

All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles, something that is impossible in Protestant denominations (most of which do not even claim to have bishops)

To make sure that the apostles’ teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first three generations of apostolic succession—his own generation, Timothy’s generation, and the generation Timothy will teach.

Pope Clement I

"Through countryside and city [the apostles] preached, and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the Spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty, for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier.... Our apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry" (Letter to the Corinthians 42:4–5, 44:1–3 [A.D. 80]).

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#15 Aug 6, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Which ones don't they meet?
he first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which was the true Church and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants.
All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles, something that is impossible in Protestant denominations (most of which do not even claim to have bishops)
To make sure that the apostles’ teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles, Paul told Timothy, "[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). In this passage he refers to the first three generations of apostolic succession—his own generation, Timothy’s generation, and the generation Timothy will teach.
Pope Clement I
"Through countryside and city [the apostles] preached, and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the Spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty, for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier.... Our apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry" (Letter to the Corinthians 42:4–5, 44:1–3 [A.D. 80]).
LOL

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#16 Aug 6, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>LOL
LOL

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